Jaw dropping: Sanders in statistical dead heat with Clinton in ARKANSAS!!

[Fawke Em]

47 Clinton
42 Sanders
5.2 Margin of Error

http://overtimepolitics.com/pollingdata/OvertimePolitics.comDec19-23DemocraticPrimaryPoll-Arkansas.pdf

[ljm2002]

1. Go Bernie!

You -- and We -- can win this thing!!!!!

K&R

[chervilant]

2. Feel the Bern!!!

I'm from Arkansas, and I'm voting for Bernie!

[dpatbrown]

55. Gut

So what does your gut tell you? Can Bernie win in your state?
Thanks.

[chervilant]

56. I can only offer anecdotal evidence

of support for Bernie here in Arkansas. The Democrats I know support Bernie, as do the younglings, including those who aren't old enough to vote.

However, we have a significant number of survivalists, KKK members, conservatives, and Republicans who are all hot and bothered about Trump. I saw a sign in front of a "Christian" mechanic's building that read "Trump says what your (sic) thinking! Trump for President 2016!"

I fear there are too many Trump supporters here to net this state for Bernie. On the other hand, too many people perceive HRC as a lying, money-grubbing "liberal" and that will be enough to sink her chances of ever carrying this state.

[LiberalArkie]

3. It is hard to understand, but HRC will pull in the wealthy D's and the young (30-40 year old)

families with young daughters. How ever Bernie could very easily grab the people who would vote R because they always have and the rest of the D's who did not match up to the first 2 groups.

Arkansas is a strange state.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

4. Yes, indeed, Arkansas can be a strange state

Speaking as one who has fond memories of liberal Fayetteville of the '70s, but who is appalled by the state's recent shift to blood-red.

[LiberalArkie]

6. What takes the cake is Orval Faubus, who stood in the doorway of Central High School

was educated at a socialist Arkansas college (Commonwealth College) and some of the people who went on to form the Weavers with Pete Seeger also attended. ACORN was founded in Little Rock and started a great radio station KABF and fought Hillary Clinton over low income electric rates, telephone and gas rates and won.

[ret5hd]

9. Please tell us more about the low income electric rate fight.

I, for one, have not heard of this before.

[LiberalArkie]

10. The KABF site can explain it better than I could.

http://www.kabf.org/?page_id=170

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

36. According to that information, ACORN won the ballot initiative,

and that was just in Little Rock (not in Fayetteville where I was). But according to another source, Hillary won the court case against ACORN.

"Business fought back. The engine driving the challenge was the Rose Law Firm, which enlisted Hillary to help. Hillary could hardly decline to fight her friends, especially so early in her career. This was the by-product of Hillary’s choice to join Rose. She would advocate for clients who would be on the opposite sides of the causes she had formerly championed.

"The winning brief was crafted by Hillary and a colleague. The judge embraced the theory--that the ordinance amounted to an unconstitutional taking of property. "

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Corporations.htm

[LiberalArkie]

48. I think that ACORN won in Little Rock and then AP&L and First Electric sued again and won.

I think it was First Electric that allowed Clinton to win it.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

50. It seems ACORN won the vote

and then Hillary and Web Hubbell snatched the victory away from them in court.

"In the early 1970’s, utility rate increase fights were being waged all over the country and not just in places like California and Seattle. ACORN was in the thick of the battles in Arkansas, South Dakota and many other states. The principal objective was winning something we – and others – called “lifeline” rates. Lifeline rates would freeze the price for lower income and elderly users at an affordable level for the first 400 kilowatt hours of usage thereby protecting them against outrageous rate increases. We tried to win at the PSC in Arkansas and would manage to decrease the outrageous requests of what was then called Arkansas Power and Light (AP&L), one of the units of Middle South Utilities, now all known as Entergy. We even decisively won an election in Little Rock establishing lifeline rates only to have the victory overturned in court with Web Hubbell and Hillary Clinton sitting at the utility’s table, but that’s both another story and at the heart of this story, because it has to do with the financing."

http://chieforganizer.org/category/acorn/

[LiberalArkie]

51. Yep. More money is always the solution in certain circles. But at least central Arkansas got a

great community radio station out of it. They carry Hightower and others but mostly local programing. A lot like Pacifica was way back when.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

52. We had a pretty good community radio station in Fayetteville in those days

KUAF, broadcasting from the university. I have no idea what it's like now.

[LiberalArkie]

53. It is now based out of UofA at Little Rock - KUAR with satellite stations covering the state.

They do have several locally originated programs, but are mainly NPR during the daytime and Jazz at night.

This is a great and funny show at times http://ualrpublicradio.org/programs/tales-south#stream/0

[Fawke Em]

7. Well, it stunned me since she's the former First Lady of the State.

But, maybe that's why so many don't prefer her.

[LiberalArkie]

11. I have an article in my blog on JPR that might explain some of it and the KABF article can explain

some of it also.

[FreakinDJ]

30. Hillary is less than 20% with the under 45 crowd

[Live and Learn]

5. K&R nt

[rhett o rick]

8. Go Sen Sanders. nm

[mindwalker_i]

12. Yeah but it's not scientific

... and polls this early don't mean anything anyway.

... and Hillary is winning lots of other polls.

[Fawke Em]

15. LOL

...or something!

[mindwalker_i]

17. Oh, and Hillary's a gurl!

[Kalidurga]

13. This might explain in part the subdued nature of Hillary supporters posts today.

[catnhatnh]

14. Please don't do this....

Just today some Clinton supporters threw a thread allowing that Sanders might take Iowa and New Hampshire but that didn't matter because Hillary would take every other state (I guess Vermont would then swing to Clinton because??? Well I don't really know but they insisted she had a lock on 48 states). I'm telling you that if you keep posting this kind of stuff they'll start cutting themselves again...

[draa]

16. Too late.

New thread was just posted in GD-P

[HubertHeaver]

23. It's those portable goal posts.

When things start to look bad, they merely draw a new line and proclaim "HE CAN'T GET PAST HERE!"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. (setting up razor blade stand)

[Robbins]

18. And some said bernie couldn't do well In south

and this is state she was first lady of

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

39. That was a generation ago

Hillary left the state in late 1992 or early 1993, so there are quite a few voters who have little or no memory of her.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. His numbers are just going to climb

as people get to know him. How could you NOT like someone as authentic, truthful, honest and ETHICAL? When people hear a politician telling the unvarnished TRUTH about the state of this country, they can't help but gravitate toward him. It's so freakin' unusual (sadly) to hear ANY politician speak TRUTH TO POWER. Bernie does that DAILY and has done so for the last 40 YEARS.

He's got the nomination. I feel it in my bones.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Robbins]

22. remember

she clobbed obama in ark in 2008.yet now before iowa and NH she is tied with bernie basicly.this doesn't bode well for clinton
especilly if bernie wins iowa and nh as i think he will.after that Bernie will get bump.and his support among non whites is going
up.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. When he wins Iowa and NH, the corrupt Corporate Owned MSM

will have no choice but to cover the front runner and you're right - his numbers will go through the roof.

The corrupt Corporate Owned MSM are going to have egg on their face for ignoring Bernie all these months. Their CORRUPTION will be exposed to the world. Then everyone will see just how far gone the U.S. MSM is. People are going to ask, how is it someone who wasn't even on their radar as being a front runner in a PRESIDENTIAL election, could possibly win NH and IOWA? That's when people will know what the CORRUPT CORPORATE OWNED MSM has done.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[SheilaT]

20. Woah! That's quite astonishing,

although I do agree this poll is far enough out that things could change quite dramatically between now and then.

But still. Although perhaps she was first lady there long enough ago that her former position is simply meaningless to many voters.

[MissDeeds]

21. Excellent!

K&R

[Egnever]

25. Reported!

On Sun Dec 27, 2015, 09:50 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Jaw dropping: Sanders in statistical dead heat with Clinton in ARKANSAS!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128090667

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Please remove this post. Many DUers come to DU for current information and news. This link goes to a bogus, made up poll, on an upstart site that allows any blogger to post anything. It is not a credible poll or source. This post is inappropriate because it is fabricated, and an embarrassment to the DU community who would like to keep the integrity of DU intact.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 27, 2015, 10:04 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That would be a good in thread reply
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: https://www.reddit.com/domain/overtimepolitics.com/

I'm tempted to hide this just because it's from reddit. But if anyone clicks on the pdf link, it's apparent it's a weak survey.

Hillary Clinton ­ 171 ­ ​47%Â
Bernie Sanders ­ 153 ­ 42%Â
Martin O’Malley ­ 15 ­ 4%Â
Undecided ­ 25 ­ 7%

The jubilation is misplaced.

The alerter's comment, "This link goes to a bogus, made up poll, on an upstart site that allows any blogger to post anything", is simply overwrought.

Hash it out.

Disclaimer: I support Hillary.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Thanks for wasting my time
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm voting to hide this because I believe the information posted on DU should be accurate and from a legitimate site. I'm sure it will be overruled as it seems to be all bernie all the time.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And your proof of this is? And stop abusing the jury system.

[Fawke Em]

26. Can I start alerting every time they post a Monmouth poll, then?

Because those polls are ridiculously bogus given how they siphon "likely voters."

But, I love No. 7!

[LovingA2andMI]

38. So Sad....

For them. But if their candidate is "Winning" why such the worry....

Unless, she's not.....

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

42. They're really making a big whoop-de-doo about a bogus poll

Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:57 AM - Edit history (1)

that has Bernie at 12%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251951498

[Fawke Em]

44. I saw that.

And laughed.

Clearly, this is getting to them.

[Robbins]

27. This is getting ridculas

so any poll with bad news for clinton is reported on? imagine if we bernie supporters did that to certain users who just post polls.

[Egnever]

32. Yup

This place is a wee bit sensitive

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

45. They'll even alert as something as innocuous as a definition!

[Liberal_in_LA]

28. Dems aren't going to win Arkansas. When Bernie is in deadbeat with Hillary in Ca, ny, or other lib

Strongholds we can talk

[Fawke Em]

34. I don't think Bernie would ever be a deadbeat. eom

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

43. Dems aren't going to win South Carolina, either,

but we see constant polls about how Hillary is ahead of Bernie there.

[cascadiance]

49. So says DWS and the DNC... OH WAIT! We passed minimum wage increase last election there!

Huh? How can that happen if Dems aren't going to win Arkansas? Hmm... Maybe if it is Dems working with DWS and the Clintons that can't win there!

[SmittynMo]

29. Jaw dropping?

I not at all surprised.

However, by the time MSM or CM gets a hold of this, it'll be 65% HRC, 25% Bernie. Just give it time.

[Jack Rabbit]

31. Excellent

We'll make America democratic again.

[Android3.14]

33. I do find it interesting

Definitely good news. I have a problem with lack of contact information, methodology, and who funds the poll, so I will treat it with skepticism.

On the other hand, it would be pretty cheap for 10 volunteers to call 1000 people in week or so and talk to 300-400 for the survey.

Curious find, but I'd like confirmation before I'd call it reason to celebrate.

Encouraging though.

[catnhatnh]

35. Sure

But I hear she's doing great in all the rest of her home states....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. Okay,...that made me snicker...

[LovingA2andMI]

37. Amazing....the folks that know Hillary Best....

Are wanting Bernie instead....

[AzDar]

40. Big ol' K & R!

[Divernan]

46. HRC spoke at the big annual Dem. dinner in Arkansas July18th

That apparently wasn't enough to earn her the loyalty of the rank-and-file Dems. If you may recall, the 2015 annual Netroots Nation meeting was held in Phoenix AZ from July 16th-19th. Hillary was invited, months in advance to participate in the candidates' forum the afternoon of July 18th. O'Malley and Sanders had accepted. Regrets from HRC. Elizabeth Warren was speaking at NN also.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is skipping a gathering of politically active progressives next month that would have put her on the same stage with her Democratic challengers -- and likely set up unwelcome comparisons with liberal heroine Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/24/clinton-skipping-progressive-netroots-nation-gathering/

The Arkansas Democratic Party's annual meeting/fundraising Jefferson Day dinner was scheduled for July 18th at the Verizon Center in Little Rock. Obviously, as any politically sentient being knows, the guest speaker for the Arkansas Dems main fundraiser dinner would have been arranged many months in advance. Annual meetings like this are scheduled/venues booked/guest speakers arranged up to a year in advance.

However it wasn't until June 10, only 40 days in advance - that the Arkansas Democratic party ecstatically announced that former first lady Hillary Clinton would be the guest speaker. http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/06/10/hillary-clinton-to-headline-arkansas-dems-2015-jefferson-jackson-dinner/

Sanders, O'Malley, even Elizabeth Warren all made it to the Netroots Nation gathering in Phoenix AZ, July 16th-19th. Sanders, O'Malley & Clinton all attended a Dem. event in Iowa the day before on July 17th. Even flying coach, Sanders had no problem getting from one event to the other. Surely Hillary, whose private jet usage is second to none, could easily have attended both the Netroots Nation panel in the afternoon of July 18 and jetted in 2.75 hours of luxurious comfort from Phoenix to nearby Little Rock for the Dem. dinner.

It would make a perfect sub-plot for VEEP, or for campaign manager, Eli Gold's (The Good Wife) character to deal with. "Oh, Jesus! The last thing we need is to have Hillary compared to Elizabeth. And Obama wiped the floor with her at the Netroots Nation candidates forum in 2007! Quick! Find another event on the same day that we can book our candidate for and then claim a conflict of interest.
Those Netroots people are too well-informed and too progressive to ever endorse Hillary anyway."

[Helen Borg]

54. Oh boy oh boy... Hillary is soo toast!

[Duval]

57. Go Bernie Go!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

58. Sweet!

[Ferd Berfel]

59. THIS will certainly continue to happen as people get to know Bernie