How does a post here regarding a bogus hide, itself get hidden?

[ybbor]

What the hell is going on here? If I by accident make a comment on a thread in another candidate's group I get kicked immediately. But here in our "supposed" sanctuary a post about an indeed bullshit hide is also hidden. Are jurors only allowed to be from her team? I call bullshit.

Thoughts

[artislife]

1. My thoughts would get me a hide. nt

[ybbor]

4. I have a feeling this whole thread will

Can't have open discussion about the unseemly happenings. People may start to notice.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

2. "There's something happening here,

what it is, is becoming clear..."

[ybbor]

6. I hope the rest of that song's story doesn't happen

[djean111]

3. Take a look at the home page - headline is Other Governments in Outer Space.

Picture over it is Bernie.

No more thoughts needed, really.

[ybbor]

5. Yeah, what's that about?

[Warren Stupidity]

7. jurors are random and there is almost no barrier to alerting on anything

so people feel free to play jury-lotto and see if they can get lucky.

[Paulie]

8. And lurkers get called more on hot threads

Since you can't jury a thread you posted in, rarely posting means more chances to jury on a busy thread you're not participating in.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. So theoretically one could organize lurkers offsite.

"Don't post in this thread" - then have your lurkers be clicking through the top level tabs to make them more available as jurors while the alert is posted. Not that I think this is going on, but it certainly would be possible for a sufficiently large enough group to game the system.

More likely the bad results get more attention than the times when jurors act reasonably so what we have is confirmation bias - we are ignoring (or frequently don't even know about) the cases where juries perform well - but not the malfunctions.

[Mbrow]

10. to late

While i tend to lurk, I seem to get on Juries a bit. But being a Bernie fan I don't tend to hide anything. I believe people can defend their positions or not.

[Mbrow]

11. I was just over at the primaries section,

and it the same old assholes saying over and over again how Bernie can't win. I have no doubt it's the same ones who alert on everything under the sun and hope for a misinformed jury.....

[TexasBushwhacker]

12. I just don't get that

When I pointed out that Bernie is pretty much in the same place as Obama was in the polls in 2007, some person said "Well Sanders is no Obama" and that Bernie's supporters were "sad". I don't feel the need to post that there's no way HRC can win the election. I don't have a crystal ball and they don't either. Even if I did I wouldn't feel I had to clobber others over the head with it.

[n2doc]

13. Speaking from experience,

It seems like once a thread gets enough recs to make it to the greatest page, it is fair game for the Hive. I had a toon posted here hidden not because it was particularly harsh on HRC, but because the artist was a RW'er. Attack the source and not the message, a typical tactic here at DU. But the toon itself was complementary towards Bernie's campaign. However once the hive took notice, they got it hidden.

[Jim Lane]

14. There was perhaps a momentary lapse by the poster

If we're talking about this post, in which Elmer S. E. Dump complained about an earlier hide: I thought the earlier hide was totally ridiculous, almost certainly the result of a jury in which overly zealous Clinton supporters predominated. In the linked post, however, Elmer, in understandable frustration, referring to one prominent Clinton supporter, speculated, "the shill I responded to is the crybaby alerter."

To my mind, "crybaby alerter" is most sensibly read as disagreeing with an alert, and is acceptable. (Some people might disagree and hide even that.) If I had been on the jury, however, I would have seen merit to an argument that "shill" was a personal attack meriting a hide. (I wasn't on the jury and I don't know whether that was actually a factor.)

The takeaway is that you have to be more cautious than should be necessary. Write your post, check grammar and spelling, then go read something else. Come back to your post after a few minutes and reread it from the point of view of someone who disagrees with the substance but is not totally amoral (to the extent of hiding anything disagreeable) but who is definitely biased (will hide an unwelcome post given the slightest excuse). Look for things like "shill" that such a person might seize on to justify a hide.

Of course, this method isn't perfect. If you get a jury with four members who think that any criticism of their candidate is a ToS violation -- and there are people like that on DU -- there's nothing you can do about it, short of stifling yourself completely.

[Babel_17]

15. For some cash strapped people, videogames aren't fun, but a grind (an analogy)

Videogames are supposed to be fun, or at least a pleasurable distraction. In some of these games you need gold to buy things like a very powerful sword, or very protective armor, or a castle. You can earn this gold by performing tasks, or looting the pockets of your fallen foes, or going on a treasure hunt, or whatever.

But you can take the easy way, if the game designers permit it, and buy the gold for real cash in an online transaction from another gamer. Some people grind out extra money by not really playing the game, they just play to generate gold so they can sell it.

Some people see these forums as being a community, others see them as a battlefield where
"all's fair". Long story short, for a few people it's bragging rights when you can give a hide to a Sanders supporter. It's like grinding out some gold. Sometimes it looks like team work/preparation was employed.

I'm past caring about that. Once I pretty much figured it out, saw that it wasn't a secret, and just one of those things that wasn't going to change, I made my peace with it. It does make me more comfortable with my choice of supporting Senator Sanders. I'd hate to have to run with a crowd that included an appreciable number of unscrupulous people.