Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumThere Is A Difference Between Liberal And Progressive.
(I posted this in the general discussion forum but I feel I can be more specific here.)Now both are good things. They often coexist. But, I think they both deal with different things. I think one can be Liberal but not Progressive. I think most people who are progressive are also Liberal. I feel like "Liberal" deals more with social issues. Liberals want equality for all people. So do Progressives, but more in the center of Progressive values and concerns, is the economy. Economic equality, pay equity, fair wages, workers unions, etc. In the center of Liberal values and concerns are issues like gay marriage, women's reproductive rights, racism(getting rid of it). I think most Progressive are Liberal because most people who consider themselves to be a Progressive care about all the things listed above equally. There are lots of people, in my opinion, who ARE Liberal but are NOT Progressive. For example, since the DLC and the Third Way were established, certain people in the Democratic Party have taken on centrist, border-line right-wing economic policies. Most of these people can be classified as Liberal but they are not Progressive. I would say Hillary Clinton is Liberal (and maybe neoliberal) but she is far from Progressive. She takes on third way DLC policies. Bernie is definitely Progressive and Liberal too. His platform stretches from ending income inequality to ending racism.
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)to the general.
It got flamed. When I said big oil, big coal, multinational corporations, etc, didn't like Bernie and then explained why, about half the people who replied were fellow Bernie supporters. Basically they said 'yay.'
However, about half of the replies were strict denials from supporters of the other candidate.
We'll see how yours does. Basically, I agree with you. Too many Third Way people KNOW all you said very well, but are OK with, and even support things like 'free trade,' and long-term 'all of the above' energy policy.
Good luck with your post!
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I agree with what you said. It's how I feel about it exactly. Get to the source of the problems, and fix them. And they are mostly economic.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, or New Deal Democrat.
Hillary is a New Democrat, aka neoliberal
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)But his views certainly line up with the Progressive agenda. He himself has made it very clear he prefers the term progressive.
merrily
(45,251 posts)That explains why I won't use progressive. Other people can use what they want, but Al From and New Democrats deliberately effed up the meaning of "progressive." If a DLC offshoot website is termed "progressive," wth does the term mean, really?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Whatever, I don't care what Al From calls himself or his organization, I consider myself a Progressive and nothing like the way he uses it
merrily
(45,251 posts)citizens using it as a synonym for "liberal." At the time, I thought Obama liberal, but not Hillary. So, I knew something was weird.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Progressives are not so constrained.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)than being a racist or homophobe. Liberal is no longer to the left any more. I personally am a little to the left of Bernie, but he is as far right as I want to consider.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)You're the first person I've heard say that other than myself. And that only had to do with guns. What puts you to the left of Bernie?
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)conservative. I think how much of society should be owned by the people. How much should money be the main goal of life. You know the simple things.