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liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:15 PM Dec 2015

There Is A Difference Between Liberal And Progressive.

(I posted this in the general discussion forum but I feel I can be more specific here.)

Now both are good things. They often coexist. But, I think they both deal with different things. I think one can be Liberal but not Progressive. I think most people who are progressive are also Liberal. I feel like "Liberal" deals more with social issues. Liberals want equality for all people. So do Progressives, but more in the center of Progressive values and concerns, is the economy. Economic equality, pay equity, fair wages, workers unions, etc. In the center of Liberal values and concerns are issues like gay marriage, women's reproductive rights, racism(getting rid of it). I think most Progressive are Liberal because most people who consider themselves to be a Progressive care about all the things listed above equally. There are lots of people, in my opinion, who ARE Liberal but are NOT Progressive. For example, since the DLC and the Third Way were established, certain people in the Democratic Party have taken on centrist, border-line right-wing economic policies. Most of these people can be classified as Liberal but they are not Progressive. I would say Hillary Clinton is Liberal (and maybe neoliberal) but she is far from Progressive. She takes on third way DLC policies. Bernie is definitely Progressive and Liberal too. His platform stretches from ending income inequality to ending racism.
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PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
1. I just wrote and posted an OP about how you can judge Bernie by who doesn't want to see him make it
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:26 PM
Dec 2015

to the general.

It got flamed. When I said big oil, big coal, multinational corporations, etc, didn't like Bernie and then explained why, about half the people who replied were fellow Bernie supporters. Basically they said 'yay.'

However, about half of the replies were strict denials from supporters of the other candidate.

We'll see how yours does. Basically, I agree with you. Too many Third Way people KNOW all you said very well, but are OK with, and even support things like 'free trade,' and long-term 'all of the above' energy policy.

Good luck with your post!

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
2. It's interesting that we haven't had the chance to even exercise this difference until now.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:41 PM
Dec 2015

I agree with what you said. It's how I feel about it exactly. Get to the source of the problems, and fix them. And they are mostly economic.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. I never use the term "progressive."
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:43 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710158 (What do political terms even mean anymore?)

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, or New Deal Democrat.

Hillary is a New Democrat, aka neoliberal
 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
4. I would agree Bernie is a Democratic Socialist or New Deal Democrat
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:47 PM
Dec 2015

But his views certainly line up with the Progressive agenda. He himself has made it very clear he prefers the term progressive.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Did you read the post linked in my earlier post on this thread?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:59 PM
Dec 2015

That explains why I won't use progressive. Other people can use what they want, but Al From and New Democrats deliberately effed up the meaning of "progressive." If a DLC offshoot website is termed "progressive," wth does the term mean, really?

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
6. That man really tainted the term progressive didn't he.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

Whatever, I don't care what Al From calls himself or his organization, I consider myself a Progressive and nothing like the way he uses it

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. He sure tried. I had heard Hillary and Obama using it in 2008, but I had also heard private
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:18 PM
Dec 2015

citizens using it as a synonym for "liberal." At the time, I thought Obama liberal, but not Hillary. So, I knew something was weird.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
9. Ok, but I am not changing my name. When I got on here, liberal was a dirty word. A little worse
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:24 PM
Dec 2015

than being a racist or homophobe. Liberal is no longer to the left any more. I personally am a little to the left of Bernie, but he is as far right as I want to consider.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
10. To the left of Bernie?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:35 PM
Dec 2015

You're the first person I've heard say that other than myself. And that only had to do with guns. What puts you to the left of Bernie?

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
11. I used to say I was to the left of Karl Marx, but as I got older I matured some and got a little
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:43 PM
Dec 2015

conservative. I think how much of society should be owned by the people. How much should money be the main goal of life. You know the simple things.

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