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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:39 AM Dec 2015

Time Magazine ‘Person of the Year’ Snubs Bernie Sanders For Donald Trump

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Fight back against the injustice of Time Magazine omitting the great champion of economic justice from its list of finalists for person of the year by launching a tidal wave of social media and grassroots-driven small donations to the Sanders campaign.

I have no problem with Time Magazine putting Mr. Trump on its list of finalists for person of the year. The person of the year is not based on who we agree with, or disagree with, but on who has had the most influence. There is no doubt Mr. Trump earned his place as a person of great influence. In fact, he has had more influence on the Republican Party than any other Republican, and whether we agree with his views or not he has earned a place on the list of finalists for that reason alone.

I do have a huge problem with Time Magazine editors including Mr. Trump while rejecting Mr. Sanders—who has had more influence than any other candidate on the direction of the Democratic Party. Whether a Democrat supports Hillary Clinton or Mr. Sanders, he has been the candidate driving the debate, and she has been the candidate reacting to his leadership on one great progressive issue after another, time after time, day after day, week after week, month after month.

In a recent column I argued with supporting data that Bernie Sanders can fairly stake a claim to being the most electable candidate for president in either party. I cited polling that supports his right to make this claim, which suggests that in the eyes of voters Mr. Sanders is more electable than Ms. Clinton, Mr. Trump, Ben Carson, Sen. Marco Rubio and Sen. Ted Cruz.

http://observer.com/2015/12/time-magazine-person-of-the-year-snubs-bernie-sanders-for-donald-trump/

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Time Magazine ‘Person of the Year’ Snubs Bernie Sanders For Donald Trump (Original Post) cal04 Dec 2015 OP
Time/Warner: "we'll honor a Fascist or a Terrorist, before we will a Socialist" 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #1
Why am I not surprised. TM99 Dec 2015 #2
That's pretty unreal marym625 Dec 2015 #3
I totally predicted that on Twitter. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #4
Not surprised - TBF Dec 2015 #5
The old media in general is just pissed. Nyan Dec 2015 #6
Same magazine that had Hitler as the person of the year at one time. Don't put much stock shraby Dec 2015 #7
And Yabba-Dabba-Doo from Iran. longship Dec 2015 #8
And trump is a pimple on mine. shraby Dec 2015 #24
You beat me to the post! nt raccoon Dec 2015 #16
Posted about this in GD to much ridicule + thread locking Triana Dec 2015 #9
They locked it? DU is in the tank, too, then Proserpina Dec 2015 #10
Yep. Triana Dec 2015 #19
But in what way is it "off topic"? Enthusiast Dec 2015 #25
Mod said it belonged in GD-P. n/t Triana Dec 2015 #28
I looked at the short list--a bunch of "personalities" Proserpina Dec 2015 #11
I would much rather have Bernie be "Man Of the Year" NEXT year. mwb970 Dec 2015 #12
What did we really expect? Maedhros Dec 2015 #13
TIME for a long walk in the woods. ciaobaby Dec 2015 #14
I like your conclusion Nyan Dec 2015 #27
Go for the negative! AlbertCat Dec 2015 #15
". . .for better or for worse. . ." DinahMoeHum Dec 2015 #17
MotY isn't supposed to be an honor. Jerry442 Dec 2015 #18
I always like to look at the difference between a magazine's US and International covers. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #20
Yeesh. NT Jerry442 Dec 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Dec 2015 #22
Time's Person of the Year Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #23
The fact that MSM ( Misanthropic Sycophant Monsters } ostracize this man should be THE clue . He is orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #26
Time is a fuckin joke. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #29
+ 10000!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #30
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. Time/Warner: "we'll honor a Fascist or a Terrorist, before we will a Socialist"
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:53 AM
Dec 2015

THAT is how much they are in the tank for Hillary.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
2. Why am I not surprised.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:01 PM
Dec 2015

Yeah, right, the MSM hates Clinton and LOVES Sanders.

So Sanders wins the poll but is not even included in the final eight?

Well a Trump victory of Clinton in the GE will sell a lot of ad copy that is for sure! And wow, President Trump will be a hoot for the next 4 to 8 years.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
3. That's pretty unreal
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:10 PM
Dec 2015

It's obvious that Time Warner just doesn't care about truth any longer. Not that it is unique to them, msm hasn't been about truth in a long time. But this primary is proving that in unbelievable ways.

Truth, out.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
4. I totally predicted that on Twitter.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:13 PM
Dec 2015

I knew Bernie would win the popular vote, but that the media - as they've done all primary season - would stick their nose up Trump's ass.

Imagine how well Bernie would be doing if he got even half the media Trump and Clinton do.

How soon I hope social media totally takes over corporate media in popularity. It's already more accurate and balanced.

TBF

(32,106 posts)
5. Not surprised -
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

the NYTimes loves Hillary. I'm sure they can't stand it that Bernie polled so high.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
6. The old media in general is just pissed.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:47 PM
Dec 2015

"Where do you peasants get this idea that popular vote matters? It doesn't. Your vote doesn't matter. We decide who wins. You just need to STFU and vote the way we tell you to. You don't like Hillary? Then You'll have Trump. You'll like it. ANYBODY but Bernie. We would much rather have American Hitler win and let him bring fourth Reich than have you peasants elect someone like Bernie."

shraby

(21,946 posts)
7. Same magazine that had Hitler as the person of the year at one time. Don't put much stock
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:54 PM
Dec 2015

in who that mag picks.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. And Yabba-Dabba-Doo from Iran.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 01:09 PM
Dec 2015

Time does not discriminate between positive and negative influences, which I find refreshing.

I would likely vote for Trump myself because of what his success says about how far into the depths of Hell our politics has descended.

Bernie, Hillary, and all the rest are merely a pimple on Trump's butt.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
9. Posted about this in GD to much ridicule + thread locking
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 01:24 PM
Dec 2015

With all the snark about it, was actually happy it was locked! Ha!

Of course media prefers a psychopathic economic failure and a terrorist to Bernie Sanders. To be expected I suppose.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
19. Yep.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:49 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027426686

It's OK though. I accept their reasoning. And as I said, with all the unnecessarily snarky responses, it's just fine w/ me that they did.
 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
11. I looked at the short list--a bunch of "personalities"
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:05 PM
Dec 2015

with the exception of Vladimir Putin, who is regarded by most of the world as the greatest leader/statesman of our sadly benighted times....

It will be interesting to see who gets the distinction of Time's ultimate regard.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
13. What did we really expect?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

Time's Man of the Year is just a gimmick to sell magazines. Donald Trump is clearly the "Spectacle of the Year", so I'm not surprised that he'd make the cover of Time.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
14. TIME for a long walk in the woods.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:24 PM
Dec 2015

I find it peculiar that Bernie won the readers poll, was not picked for consideration in the final eight, yet TIME asks readers to vote on the final eight!
If TIME valued the vote process wouldn't Bernie be included in the final eight? I really hate the MSM, the right, the repugs, the Donald, Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, the NRA, all the Obama haters. I guess I need a break from this insane world I live in..gonna go pet my cat.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. Go for the negative!
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

Keep everyone in irrational fear mode.




I stopped getting that once pretty good mag way back in 1988 when, on the cover, the "big" news was:

SUPERMAN TURNS 50!

Friggin' commercial for Time Warner movie franchises (at the time)

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
18. MotY isn't supposed to be an honor.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

It's supposed to be someone who has been a major influence or personifies a major trend -- like Adolph Hitler or the Ayatollah Khomeini. By pulling back the curtain to expose just how low Republican voters will go, Trump gets on my list of maybes. So does Bernie, although for vastly different reasons.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
20. I always like to look at the difference between a magazine's US and International covers.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:00 PM
Dec 2015

Here's Time's:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/19insert-word-here-differences-between-time-magazine-us-and#.cyJg3kwqPM

No wonder so many American are politically stupid. Our media trains us to think more about what amounts to a Facebook quiz than what is going on in our world.

Response to cal04 (Original post)

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
23. Time's Person of the Year
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:11 PM
Dec 2015

A better title for Person of the Year would be Newsmaker of the Year. This person is supposed to be, in Time's editors' judgment, the person who most shaped world events during the previous twelve months. Time received a barrage of angy letters for naming Hitler the Man of the Year in 1938. However, a look at Time's cover for its edition of Januasry 2, 1939, shows the mood in which Time gave him the title.
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When one is named the local Rotary Club's man of the year, it's an honor; when Time names one Person of the Year, it isn't necessary an honor.

I think Bernie Sanders should be among the finalists. I'd probably put him in place of Caitlyn Jenner, whose story may go beyond one of celebrity, but in the end it really about her celebrity more than it is about transgenderism. Travis Kalanick is another dubious pick for the short list. By making Uber's drivers "independent contractors" rather than employees, he may have found a way to save on labor costs but may have doomed his enterprise with the questionable legality of the scheme. They may as well have put Martin Shkrelli on their short list for his scheme to rocket the price of pyrimethamine into orbit, only to events overtake him and leave him eating his shoes.

Angela Merkel would be a good choice. It's isn't because I view her positively, because I don't. She has been at the center of the corporatist (anti-humanist) movement to impose austerity on the Greek people. She is exacerbating the problem in Europe that Bernie seeks to address in America. It would be another example of giving the Person of the Year award without considering it an honor..

It might also be justified to give Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump the award jointly. Together, they indicate how American politics have crushed American society. We are witnessing a phenomenon similar to Germany's slide in the late twenties and early thirties, when social unrest and economic pressure on the middle class destroyed the political center. That resulted in a street battle between more hard line socialists than the social democrats who dominated electoral politics in Germany after the end of World War I and far right militias, notably the Nazi's SA. In my view, Bernie represents our hopes and Trump our nightmares while Mrs,. Clinton represents the centrist policies that have destroyed the American middle class since 1981 and, even though she is the most likely next president, she is largely irrelevant (note she is not on the short list) and being elected president won't make her any more relevant than she is now; a joint award between a presidential candidate who wants to break up the big banks and another who blames immigrants and the poor and uses his own supporters literally as if they're stormtroopers would be acknowledgment that America, as Germany did before Hitler came to power, has serious problems that the elite don't want even to acknowledge, let alone address. Of course, Time is part of the establishment, so that's not going to happen.

Tho other picks are good ones and a case could be made for each of them. Of these, I tend to like the BLM activists as most deserving of the title, but I;d like to see if the movement is still around into 2017. I hope they are, and if they are we may look back and think, "Gee, Time had them on their short list for Person of the Year in 2015 and they would have been better pick than -- who won it anyway?" However, naming BLM would take more foresight than most of us have.

However, Senator Bernie Sanders has a good case for being name Person of the Year in his own right. Senator Sanders has changed the way we think about politics in America. He is an avowed socialist running for the Democratic Party's nomination for President. While his opponents are trying to paint him as Stalin or Mao, but most of us know that the Senator socialism is more like Clement Attlee or Olaf Palme. It's simply a socialism that puts the welfare of common people first and as long as private business doesn't too big for its britches, as it is now, it is permitted to exist. In any case, when was the last time an avowed socialist ran for the nomination of a major American political party?

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
26. The fact that MSM ( Misanthropic Sycophant Monsters } ostracize this man should be THE clue . He is
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 07:20 AM
Dec 2015

the last chance for us not to be ruled by an oligarchy .

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