Just putting this out there

[marym625]

If Bernie supporters stayed out of threads that are meant to incite, more Bernie supporters would be available for juries.

If Bernie supporters ignored posts meant to incite, then the posts would drop like stones.

Most importantly, I think we're just allowing ourselves to be drawn into drama and then our real message is lost. That being, of the two main candidates, (sorry Martin O'Malley, I do love) Bernie Sanders is the only one that will actually fight for the 99%. His record proves it. Just like Clinton's record proves she a war mongering, corporatist that cares more about money than anything else.

I know I'm guilty of it myself. I'm not calling anyone out here. I will, however, quote my beloved, wise, grandmother again, "The more that'll be said about it, the more there'll be said about it."

So, please, I beseech you, stick to facts, ignore the drama, and let's get Bernie Sanders elected President of the United States of America.

[cui bono]

1. Guilty as charged. And I totally agree.

Plus there's the feeling that I'm being dragged down to jr. high school behavior.

I mostly ignore OPs by certain posters. Tend to refute certain memes, but am growing tired of the idiocy, so if for no other reason, that is one that is making me engage less.

It is sad what DU had become and that the admins allow obvious and admitted trolling now.

[marym625]

4. yep

Skinner said in ATA that in every primary people try to start other sites and they always fail. Between that and not being able to deactivate your account, he's secure that no matter what, people won't leave for long

[jeff47]

2. Unchallenged lies become truth. (nt)

[marym625]

5. True

And I'm not suggesting we should allow lies to stand unchallenged. Just saying that the crap should be ignored.

[LiberalArkie]

26. If people would just let the threads die, they would not show up on Google, Bing

and Yahoo as often.

[marym625]

35. there's that too!

Good point. Thank you

[Thespian2]

53. I agree with you...

I started ignoring lots of threads a few weeks back...I also dislike the crap piled upon crap..

[marym625]

57. Yes, it's become more than boring.

I admit, sometimes it was almost fun, but No longer. This is too important. And it's gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

[JimDandy]

61. That's where I am too, now. The only worthwhile reason now to even be on DU and responding to

any Hillary supporter is to keep us Bernie supporters motivated. So, more and more of my energy is now offline focusing on registering people as Dems for the primaries that require that, and making sure that they get to the polls/their caucus location.

[marym625]

62. Same here

Though I'm working with Americans Take Action as well. The Sanders campaign and the California FREE Act go hand in hand. Makes it easy.

[JimDandy]

63. Good for you! Getting undue influence out of our election process

is an uphill battle that needs to be fought.

[marym625]

64. uphill is right!

But we're going to win!

Thank you! And thank you for your work!

#Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern

[MadDAsHell]

18. It's the internet. You can't possible keep up with refuting every falsehood, nor do you even know..

the sincerity of the posters behind those falsehoods. Assuming we all have limited time/resources, is there not a more effective way to help your candidate get elected?

[sabrina 1]

56. Lies cannot be challenged in flame bait threads. No one reads the challenges. The way to challenge

Flame Bait threads that are lying, is to post a NEW OP filled with FACTS.

Lies challenged inside the Flame Bait thread perpetrate the lies by kicking them and keeping them going.

If you see eg, something about Bernie's age, which is a non issue btw, post a new OP about Hillary's age which of course doesn't matter either.

Boring, flame bait threads will sink and go unnoticed if they are not fed by people attempting to correct them. THAT is what they WANT.

Hundreds of comments arguing within such threads makes it seem as if they are about something important and more people read the OP but few will read all the comments

Iow, no matter how factual or brilliant a comment may be, the arbiters of flame bait threads know that no one is going to read them and they are lost in the crowd. Better to turn good comments responding to lies, into their own OPs.

Let the facts get to the Rec list, not the lies. Commenting in such threads is like pouring fuel on a fire.

[darkangel218]

3. I disagree.

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I think lies should be refuted. If we stayed out of those threads, they would just reply to themselves and pat themselves on the back. The threads wouldn't sink.

[marym625]

6. Most sink anyway with so few recs

I know we need to refute lies. Absolutely. But we're getting drawn into the drama. The ridiculous drama. The responses that have nothing to do with anything realistic or the issues. That's the stuff I'm talking about

[darkangel218]

8. I hear you.

Some posters don't actually argue facts, they just flamebait, and I agree we should stay away from these type of posts.

[marym625]

10. Exactly!

[MadDAsHell]

19. See my post #18 above. I know it's hard to resist, I just think it's a near pointless exercise...

to spend one's time desperately seeking untruths to correct on the internet. Ineffective and, frankly, impossible!

[tecelote]

7. How many of Hillary's "supporters" are paid to post?

The more crap they throw out there, the more they get paid.

[marym625]

9. I truly have no idea

But if there's truth to that, why help by giving them something to reply to?

[MrMickeysMom]

55. Nor do I know...

One thing is likely - some of them operate like they are paid. It's a way of giving to the "cause".

Personally, I'm in the midst of finishing Bernie's "Outsider in the White House" revised book. I've been taking what I've learned. The truth is unstoppable when discussion turns to the issues.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. "Just like Clinton's record proves she a war mongering, corporatist"

I saw what you did there.

[marym625]

12. Just distinguishing one candidate from the other

[RiffRandell]

13. I agree and try to but when a site is started to

start drama and bash Bernie supporters rather than just being a 'site for Hillary supporters' it's hard, especially when the supporters are the biggest shitstorm starters.

I said my piece in one thread, don't have time for the bullshit drama as I have a life, so GO BERN!

[marym625]

15. I know.

I did it myself just this morning. As soon as I hit "post" I regretted it. Though it was in a Bernie post and a direct attack on me. Still, no excuse. I'll do better. I promise.

Yes! Go Bernie!!! #Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern

[Hepburn]

14. I have approximately 45 of them on full ignore

IMO, it's better to do this than to get into it with some of the hardcore Hillary supporters who appear to be in it to cause problems and not offer discussion.

JMHO

[marym625]

16. I've only used ignore a couple times, for a short time each

But I think that's about to change. I believe you're right.

[HerbChestnut]

17. I've resisted putting them on ignore because I can't stand to see Bernie's name tarnished

But damn, it's giving me anxiety.

[artislife]

60. 44, I am sure we have a lot of the same names

I thought, would I spend time listening to what they spew in real life? The answer was no. Why stand for it here?

[riderinthestorm]

20. Agreed. There are some who suffer from Narcissistic Supply

Whoever posted that link, well reading it was an eye opener. There are a few in the HRC group for which it describes them specifically, including one whose been outed as a troll in this group.

Don't feed the narcissists. I don't even bother to open their threads anymore since I know,it's going to be flamebait.

http://thenarcissistatwork.com/2012/10/narcissistic-supply-is-more-addictive-than-heroin/

[yuiyoshida]

22. oh my

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Agreed. There are some who suffer from Narcissistic Supply
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[artislife]

23. I voted to leave it

Protected group and just may be completely true. ..heh

[yuiyoshida]

24. as did I

I would say something, but I don't want to risk having my statement go to a jury, not because its bad, but because someone didn't like it. I will say I am tired of the bullying, and the stalking alerts.

[riderinthestorm]

30. I've got three posts today since I'm on my phone and it's a pain

and of course one of them is alerted on... In a protected group. Yeah, there's no alert stalking going on here....

SMH

[arcane1]

25. I was juror 3 and kept my commentary to a minimum

Just in case

[riderinthestorm]

29. Jeez, this figures. Thanks jurors!

I think I even got the link to that narcissism article here on DU...



For the record juror #2...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5



(Watch, this will probably be alerted on as well. Sigh)

[marym625]

31. I honestly don't know what link you're talking about

And I am guessing I don't want to know.

Exactly, don't feed the trolls.

Sorry your post was alerted. Glad you came out unscathed.

#FeelTheBern #Bernie2016

[riderinthestorm]

32. Its in post #20. The Narcissist at work...

[marym625]

36. sorry, I meant where it came from

But I see now.

Sigh

[Autumn]

48. OMG that explains so much

Holy fucking shit

[riderinthestorm]

52. Ikr? It seemed to seque perfectly with Mary's OP

maybe too perfectly...

...it got alerted!!

[arcane1]

21. I finally started using ignore a month ago. It worked wonders.

I still see a few but the most blatant shit-stirrers are pleasantly invisible to me now

[Maedhros]

27. Ignoring them is the best possible revenge for the garbage they spew.[n/t]

[marym625]

28. I think I'm going to start using it

Because I just don't care what some people have to say

[arcane1]

33. A few days ago I was reply #26, though only 9 replies were visible to me.

I knew I must be doing something right

[marym625]

37. Ha!

That would be fun. Since I mostly hang out here anyway, I really haven't seen too much lately. But I think I'll try it

[arcane1]

42. Just don't add me to the list!

[marym625]

44. Never!!!

You're right in the top 10 of my - I love this person - list

[arcane1]

46. Awww... right back at ya!

[Faux pas]

34. I always just slide on by...

[marym625]

38. good for you!

I'm trying. Really

[pengu]

39. I've made great use of the "Ignore" feature

[marym625]

41. Seems that's the way to go!

[yuiyoshida]

40. I been trying to stay out of GD:P

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Just going through it makes me want to scream, at some of the outrageous tactics that are used there and for what? Do they really think its going to change someones mind? Its not healthy there, and some of the posts are DESIGNED for a knee jerk reaction. Its like kicking someone in the knee and running away.. I am just avoiding it all together. I know who I am voting for.. I am intelligent enough to know how I feel about my candidate and what's possible. Intimidation never works.

[marym625]

43. +100

That's the way to do it. And you're dead on right!

[yuiyoshida]

45. Seriously Mary

The people who use these intimidation tactics think it will end after the elections are long over but people will remember who were there at the heart of it. DU is very divided right now, and I don't think it will ever recover. Maybe that's the plan...in the long run, to bring this website down and make us look foolish. I don't think once this is all over, there will be total satisfaction here. And, should a Republican steal the White House again, then there will truly be anger and finger pointing, and blame. I remember when Bush won in 2000 and how disappointed I was..and how the Republican's pushed it in our faces, calling us losers, and telling us to GET OVER IT! Its why I came here...we all needed someone to lean on, during those times. I hope to hell we don't go though that ever again.

[marym625]

47. nd again in 2004, with another stolen election

You may be right. And I don't see this place healing soon either. It's been allowed to continue without a word. We are why the site continues and it's up to us to decide to stay or not, in most cases anyway.

I know what I'm going to do. Hoping others will decide the same.

[merrily]

49. +1

[merrily]

50. Great post, marym625

[marym625]

51. Thank you, merrily!

[MrMickeysMom]

54. You are absolutely right...

I think the only way to be sure is to put these people on full ignore.

I've actually been trying to generate/participate with some posts of issues during my extended weekend.

Consider me beseeched with sense knocked in, marym...

[marym625]

58. LOL

Cool! You're beseeched! Love it!

Don't hit so hard. Most of us fall into the trap.

No Child Left Behind, Bankruptcy bill, Patriot Act and War in Iraq is all that need be said. Well, there's so much more, like drones, more weapons of war than any other SoS, trying to push class warfare, drones, no fly zones, minimum wage, trickle down etc etc. Point is, snark and drama are not needed. Facts work.

[senz]

59. It's true, marym, we need to keep our eyes on the prize

and later for the garbage.

[marym625]

65. which just ain't easy!

Oy!