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No one answered! (Original Post) Playinghardball Nov 2015 OP
And we still have no answer, and we still keep starting more wars. phantom power Nov 2015 #1
And still we have the insane policy of regime change! Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #2
Our solution perpetuates the problem. tecelote Nov 2015 #5
That is exactly it the PROFIT in wars... pangaia Nov 2015 #9
Yeah - capitalism has not proven to be the Godsend we were promised. tecelote Nov 2015 #15
I'll drink to that.. And no more triangulation.. pangaia Nov 2015 #17
The goals were achieved. The only people hurt were the 99% in Iraq and the USofA. The rhett o rick Nov 2015 #3
But, but, but... SoapBox Nov 2015 #4
Even Bush The First knew this. That was why he didn't topple Saddam. nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2015 #6
The question could not be answered because that would exposed the lies. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #7
Bingo! They'll have to pry our empire out of our cold, dead hands. erronis Nov 2015 #21
Many of us here asked the same question...over and over. bvar22 Nov 2015 #8
Nice post especially this part. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #19
I'm surprized the Gowdy witch hunt didn't ask the hard questions. erronis Nov 2015 #22
The following is WHY we had to "take out" Gaddafi: bvar22 Nov 2015 #24
we never gave a shit Dcoast Nov 2015 #10
Hillary in 2011 PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #11
Bernie always asks appropriate questions. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #12
There was no plan for the aftermath and Sanders knew it. blackspade Nov 2015 #13
That vote gave war powers to an incompetent and reckless administration. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #14
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #16
The US Of A - Killing Hearts And Minds Daily cantbeserious Nov 2015 #18
Yeah, BushCo did answer, in a manner of speaking. Hepburn Nov 2015 #20
The Bush Administration claimed the United Nations would set up a government.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #23
But they did answer! d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #25
There you go again, bringing up things Bernin4U Nov 2015 #26

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
5. Our solution perpetuates the problem.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

On purpose.

If we took "profit" out of our wars, they would end tomorrow.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
9. That is exactly it the PROFIT in wars...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

or natural disasters, or man- made financial disasters.

Can you imagine the PROFITS to be made when the seas rise ?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
15. Yeah - capitalism has not proven to be the Godsend we were promised.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

Time for some good old fashioned Democratic Socialism.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. The goals were achieved. The only people hurt were the 99% in Iraq and the USofA. The
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

1% made out very well. We must wrest the control of our government away from Goldman-Sachs and the 1%.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
4. But, but, but...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

The oil!

And the permanent U.S. Military domination of the region...

Or whatever crap was pushed on us by the War Criminal Administration.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. The question could not be answered because that would exposed the lies.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

We are never leaving Iraq, or anywhere we are invading these days. We are an Empire now, and that's what Empires do, they invade, appoint 'surrogates' to 'rule' what becomes their colonies and call it 'democracy' or 'home rule' or whatever.

But there's no doubt this country is now an Empire!

erronis

(15,294 posts)
21. Bingo! They'll have to pry our empire out of our cold, dead hands.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

And they'd really like to do that. Can't really blame them.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. Many of us here asked the same question...over and over.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:54 PM
Nov 2015

So, what are you going to do when we WIN by killing Saddam.
Christians, Sunnis, and Shiite lived next door in harmony under Saddam's secular country.
Saddam actually kept the "Radical Muslims" and "Terrorists" OUT of Iraq.
He killed them.
many of us here recognized that Saddam, in all his dictatorial megalomania,
was the ONLY thing holding Iraq together.

We went through the exact same thing when Obama and Hillary decided to "take out" Gaddafi. NOW look what we have done. We have turned the most advanced country in North Africa with the Highest Standard of Living in North Africa into a terrorist hell hole that has as reimpose Sharia Law.
Before we "helped" Libya, women could drive, attend school, own property, and dress as they wished...but NOT ANY MORE!!!

YAY...another great Victory for Obama & Hillary.
Hillary seems positively at the Death and Destruction of Libya,
and wiping out 40 years of Women's advancements.

It is hard to believe they learned NOTHING from the disaster in Iraq.

The INSANE part is the WAR cries to go after Assad.
LEARNED NOTHING.





A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
19. Nice post especially this part.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:43 AM
Nov 2015
He killed them.
We were told that he was evil for doing this and that was why he had to go.

Now? After creating more of them we are now killing many more of them in a far larger area than Saddam ever did, and are told that is what we must do and we are good for doing so. Why am I confused by this? Is it because I don't understand the profit motive behind all the death and destruction? Maybe I just don't understand the difference in scale, death in a single country is bad but OK if done on a regional scale with a lot of destruction thrown in for good measure?

erronis

(15,294 posts)
22. I'm surprized the Gowdy witch hunt didn't ask the hard questions.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:17 PM
Nov 2015

About why we were meddling in Libya. About why we had to have all those CIA groups scattered around the country including Benghazi. About what were the plans to deal with the violent factions after Ghaddafi was murdered. I would have liked to have had some candid answers to those from HRC.

If we (USofA) don't keep making up excuses to fight battles (winning or losing, it doesn't matter), then huge swathes of corporations will not have a reason for existence. Imagine the hardship on all the stockholders and people like Darth Cheney.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
24. The following is WHY we had to "take out" Gaddafi:
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:08 PM
Nov 2015

He continually used the oil money for Social Projects in North Africa, and always offered Money to countries that were under financial attack by The IMF and World Banks who desperately wanted to mortgage the natural resources in these resource rich countries by offering usurious "loans" to corrupt leaders.

He also was threatening to nationalize the Libyan Oilfields immediately prior to the attack.


” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html


"Pan-African Unity" means Africa and African Resources for AFRICA, NOT Western Banks and the IMF.

11. Hillary in 2011
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

From a 2011 speech: "“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity,"

http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999

If your reign hell down on a country because you don't like how they run things, you damn well better be ready to clean up the mess. There's a real human cost to these things, and I feel as if most politicians don't grasp that or don't want to. The song 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath always runs through my head when I think about wars like these. People are pawns. The poor are disposable. The rich get richer... War sucks.

I'm glad that Sanders had the guts to ask tough questions. The lack of response is telling.

I want a thoughtful president for once.*

*Twice. I consider Barack Obama to be a thoughtful man.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
13. There was no plan for the aftermath and Sanders knew it.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:06 PM
Nov 2015

Along with a ton of the rest of us. And we weren't even privy to the 'intelligence.'
It was obvious!

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
14. That vote gave war powers to an incompetent and reckless administration.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:15 PM
Nov 2015

Congressmen Sanders and Udall, my rep, and 131 other Representatives didn't buy it. Senators Kennedy and Wellstone, along with 21 Senators also weren't fooled. Were they that much wiser? I'm sitting out here in Colorado, just an average American, and I knew in October, 2002, that giving the Bush administration war powers was a mistake. Does that make me smarter than Hillary, or just more honest?

In the end, 156 members of Congress from 36 states had enough information, personal insight and wisdom to stand up and do the right thing for America and the world.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
23. The Bush Administration claimed the United Nations would set up a government....
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:50 PM
Nov 2015

"They're good at that."

Except that's not what they do or have done, ever. (Except in Right-Wing World where they are coming in to take all of the guns and destroy America for the New World Order.)

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