Bernie Sanders
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(25,966 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Destabilization and blowback city.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)On purpose.
If we took "profit" out of our wars, they would end tomorrow.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)or natural disasters, or man- made financial disasters.
Can you imagine the PROFITS to be made when the seas rise ?
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Time for some good old fashioned Democratic Socialism.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)1% made out very well. We must wrest the control of our government away from Goldman-Sachs and the 1%.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The oil!
And the permanent U.S. Military domination of the region...
Or whatever crap was pushed on us by the War Criminal Administration.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)We are never leaving Iraq, or anywhere we are invading these days. We are an Empire now, and that's what Empires do, they invade, appoint 'surrogates' to 'rule' what becomes their colonies and call it 'democracy' or 'home rule' or whatever.
But there's no doubt this country is now an Empire!
erronis
(15,294 posts)And they'd really like to do that. Can't really blame them.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)So, what are you going to do when we WIN by killing Saddam.
Christians, Sunnis, and Shiite lived next door in harmony under Saddam's secular country.
Saddam actually kept the "Radical Muslims" and "Terrorists" OUT of Iraq.
He killed them.
many of us here recognized that Saddam, in all his dictatorial megalomania,
was the ONLY thing holding Iraq together.
We went through the exact same thing when Obama and Hillary decided to "take out" Gaddafi. NOW look what we have done. We have turned the most advanced country in North Africa with the Highest Standard of Living in North Africa into a terrorist hell hole that has as reimpose Sharia Law.
Before we "helped" Libya, women could drive, attend school, own property, and dress as they wished...but NOT ANY MORE!!!
YAY...another great Victory for Obama & Hillary.
Hillary seems positively at the Death and Destruction of Libya,
and wiping out 40 years of Women's advancements.
It is hard to believe they learned NOTHING from the disaster in Iraq.
The INSANE part is the WAR cries to go after Assad.
LEARNED NOTHING.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Now? After creating more of them we are now killing many more of them in a far larger area than Saddam ever did, and are told that is what we must do and we are good for doing so. Why am I confused by this? Is it because I don't understand the profit motive behind all the death and destruction? Maybe I just don't understand the difference in scale, death in a single country is bad but OK if done on a regional scale with a lot of destruction thrown in for good measure?
erronis
(15,294 posts)About why we were meddling in Libya. About why we had to have all those CIA groups scattered around the country including Benghazi. About what were the plans to deal with the violent factions after Ghaddafi was murdered. I would have liked to have had some candid answers to those from HRC.
If we (USofA) don't keep making up excuses to fight battles (winning or losing, it doesn't matter), then huge swathes of corporations will not have a reason for existence. Imagine the hardship on all the stockholders and people like Darth Cheney.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)He continually used the oil money for Social Projects in North Africa, and always offered Money to countries that were under financial attack by The IMF and World Banks who desperately wanted to mortgage the natural resources in these resource rich countries by offering usurious "loans" to corrupt leaders.
He also was threatening to nationalize the Libyan Oilfields immediately prior to the attack.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html
"Pan-African Unity" means Africa and African Resources for AFRICA, NOT Western Banks and the IMF.
Dcoast
(77 posts)who would govern.
we only cared about who would manage the oil fields.
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)From a 2011 speech: "It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity,"
http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999
If your reign hell down on a country because you don't like how they run things, you damn well better be ready to clean up the mess. There's a real human cost to these things, and I feel as if most politicians don't grasp that or don't want to. The song 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath always runs through my head when I think about wars like these. People are pawns. The poor are disposable. The rich get richer... War sucks.
I'm glad that Sanders had the guts to ask tough questions. The lack of response is telling.
I want a thoughtful president for once.*
*Twice. I consider Barack Obama to be a thoughtful man.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Along with a ton of the rest of us. And we weren't even privy to the 'intelligence.'
It was obvious!
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)Congressmen Sanders and Udall, my rep, and 131 other Representatives didn't buy it. Senators Kennedy and Wellstone, along with 21 Senators also weren't fooled. Were they that much wiser? I'm sitting out here in Colorado, just an average American, and I knew in October, 2002, that giving the Bush administration war powers was a mistake. Does that make me smarter than Hillary, or just more honest?
In the end, 156 members of Congress from 36 states had enough information, personal insight and wisdom to stand up and do the right thing for America and the world.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)They said, "Halliburton."
JMHO
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)"They're good at that."
Except that's not what they do or have done, ever. (Except in Right-Wing World where they are coming in to take all of the guns and destroy America for the New World Order.)
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)With bombs, weapons to ISIS (formerly the rebels), and chaos!
Bernin4U
(812 posts)more than a month old!