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"I saw right then and there the difference between real life and the official version of life" (Original Post) sabrina 1 Nov 2015 OP
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1
Bingo! We simply cannot have "we came, we saw, he died" as the dem nom for pres peacebird Nov 2015 #3
And to his credit, he's been fighting to get real life to be more just PatrickforO Nov 2015 #2
Bernie was BLM 50 years before #BLM. senz Nov 2015 #4
The only labels I care about from now on are 'Right' and 'Wrong'. Bernie saw sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #5
Read that, thought "Yeah like Abraham Lincoln" - & then it hit: senz Nov 2015 #6
You are right. He has already made history btw. The ONLY candidate who refused to sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #26
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #32
Yes, that's extremely important senz Nov 2015 #34
Oh yes, he is the ONLY candidate I remember actually CALLING OUT Wall St and he Oligarchs sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #35
^^^THIS^^^!!! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #66
and then promptly ran off to Bob Jones to outline exactly what role religion has in politics! MisterP Nov 2015 #47
Yes, what other candidate has refused to be forced into pandering to the demand to profess one's sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #69
Alan Alda's decent Republican candidate did that on "West Wing," even though the tblue37 Nov 2015 #54
And I bet a lot of people cheered for that even though it was FICTION. But Bernie is REAL and he sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #72
Yep and to say otherwise shows a severe lack of thinking skills. Autumn Nov 2015 #7
What they tried to do was to get in their smears and distortions BEFORE people got to know him sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #9
I think some of it is anti- Semitism and then there's Autumn Nov 2015 #23
Imo, only Right Wingers are anti-Semitic AND view McCarthyism as a good thing. But for most sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #28
I'm sorry to say that it's not just Right Wingers that are anti-Semitic. Autumn Nov 2015 #31
'The Scum also rises'! Sorry, couldn't resist. My sister wanted to use that as a title for a book sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #33
the point is to make factual denial of the smears look like a defensive reaction MisterP Nov 2015 #43
And they've failed to do that, try as they do. Because lies don't survive the truth. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #84
that's why the tactic backfired: they say Sanders ignores Black people, immediately DECADES MisterP Nov 2015 #88
True, Bernie's record is his best weapon. Nothing they try is going to affect that. His ONLY sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #89
IMHO Sanders' lag among African-Americans is due to media structure: there most definitely IS MisterP Nov 2015 #90
Well as Bernie said himself, he isn't well known, yet, to the Black community, he is now focusing sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #91
Life's lessons often trump and falsify those learned in the classroom stupidicus Nov 2015 #8
True, especially for thoughtful independent thinkers who are capable of seeing sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #11
K&R!!! Wow! By far the best candidate in every regard and especially on Civil Rights. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #10
Definitely. That's why we saw the Rovian attempt to try to dismiss his record, because they sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #13
I choose real life too! Go Bernie! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #12
I think it's the proof of white privilege that many white people will go through life mountain grammy Nov 2015 #14
Fortunately not all people, and Bernie himself is a minority, one of the smallest in this sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #15
Fighting against police brutality 50 years ago. kath Nov 2015 #16
Police brutality against minorities has INCREASED. I never see those who CLAIM to be so 'concerned' sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #17
and who shout "sexism" to divide, is also hopemountain Nov 2015 #22
Keeping people DIVIDED helps keep ALL of them down. Bernie is a Uniter. Saw that sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #24
Amen. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #78
People don't change. polly7 Nov 2015 #30
Yes, definitely an empath. WYSIWYG senz Nov 2015 #36
Hehe ...... polly7 Nov 2015 #37
... senz Nov 2015 #39
Ah ... thank you! polly7 Nov 2015 #48
I guess i am an old tech geezer but wizi ee wig maggies farm Nov 2015 #76
Oh, and senz Nov 2015 #40
Thanks again, I'm a bit behind the times, I think .... nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #49
No, you're ahead of those times senz Nov 2015 #51
LOL thank you! I feel better now. polly7 Nov 2015 #55
An empath. I like that. That takes a person of STRENGTH to be able to feel for others. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #59
I'm going to save this post somehow. polly7 Nov 2015 #79
Beautiful post, thank you Polly. I think he does remind people of their fathers, grandfathers sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #92
My grandpa ejbr Nov 2015 #18
How interesting! He might have been aware of Bernie! Life is strange! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #19
Hi ejbr Nov 2015 #20
I loved your story about your grandpa! It is so fascinating how things, as you say, sometimes sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #62
Love stuff like that. senz Nov 2015 #44
That's a great story <nt> Babel_17 Nov 2015 #21
Hillary Supporters Live In A Bubble billhicks76 Nov 2015 #25
SOME of them for sure. But not all. Some of my friends support her, but they are not very sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #27
If you spend any time on the streets Kalidurga Nov 2015 #29
And I think more and more people do realize that what our propaganda machine known, euphemistically sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #38
It's Infotainment Kalidurga Nov 2015 #42
Yes, not to mention that we pay for satelite or cable tv and are flooded with ads now from Big sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #60
I am seeing a therapist Kalidurga Nov 2015 #63
Good for you. Many people just take whatever they are given and then suffer sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #64
I think that my symptoms are not going to just go away Kalidurga Nov 2015 #65
Agree! merrily Nov 2015 #41
And how to honor it. senz Nov 2015 #46
Yes, my wise friend, yes. merrily Nov 2015 #50
We've still got nearly a year. It will take grassroots effort to upset the corporate nightscanner59 Nov 2015 #45
Bernie's political revolution is growing. The more people get to know him,, the more sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #67
this bought tears to my eyes grasswire Nov 2015 #52
Gotta wonder Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2015 #53
What struck me about it is HOW LONG it's being on, police brutality against minorities. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #61
K&R cprise Nov 2015 #56
Bernie is best Old Codger Nov 2015 #57
Great post! leftcoastmountains Nov 2015 #58
I'm going to rec this because I like this quote. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #68
Equality is EVERYONE'S fight! Don't anyone DARE to try to marginalize those who are the sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #70
I know the divisions. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #71
No one, least of Sanders, thinks he is a 'savior'. That is right wing jingoism whether you know it sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #73
I've reached my conclusions because of white seattlites. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #75
And I've had the opposite experience. Every person who supports Bernie that I know, unlike people sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #83
The sad thing is that some are willing to put their trust for social justice in the 1% and their rhett o rick Nov 2015 #74
I like this post. artislife Nov 2015 #77
Maybe you meant this in response to the one person who actually said that? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #94
No, I meant it as a response to all. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #95
Ah. of course. All those other times. Silly me. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #96
Scoot, I'm not trying to be a dick. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #98
I sure can relate to this! me b zola Nov 2015 #80
I think that people (victims of crime, child abuse, etc.)... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #81
+1000. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #86
K&R Some people call it pie in the sky. I call it humanity. nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #82
I'm sorry that . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #85
"Bernie, best candidate in this race on Civil Rights!" KansDem Nov 2015 #87
I don't see anyone better nor have I as long as I remember! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #93
He walks the talk. He's REAL. He's one of the most honest people I've ever seen hold a political in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #97
I think the world is ready for this generation's FDR. I really think Bernie is going to make it! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #99
He's going to win! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #100
Yep, I agree! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #101

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. The only labels I care about from now on are 'Right' and 'Wrong'. Bernie saw
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

things that were wrong and he tried to fix them. It was natural to him to see wrong doing and to be hurt by it.

He isn't in it for the money, he's in it to do as much good as he can as he passes through this life.

That I think is what people feel about him. The sincerity even people who are not in agreement with him on everything, Repubs eg, they know he is an honest politician.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
6. Read that, thought "Yeah like Abraham Lincoln" - & then it hit:
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:45 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's gonna go down in history!

No matter how it turns out, he'll have a special, admired, place in U.S. history.

I hope he knows that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
26. You are right. He has already made history btw. The ONLY candidate who refused to
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

proclaim his 'Christianity' or any Religion. There is a disturbing trend in this country that all Presidential Candidates MUST belong to a Christian 'sect' of some kind.

Bernie refused to bite when asked about his 'faith' stating religion has no place in our politics.

THAT was historical for an American Presidential Candidate to do.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
34. Yes, that's extremely important
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:42 PM
Nov 2015

especially since the notion of the First Estate went out the window with the French Revolution and was never a factor in the founding of our intentionally secular government.

But important as that is, his very public identification and calling out of the oligarchy, so that millions of Americans can begin to see who is controlling our country and pulling their strings, that is even more important. imo.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. Oh yes, he is the ONLY candidate I remember actually CALLING OUT Wall St and he Oligarchs
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

who are controlling this country right now. No one else has the GUTS to do it, and/or they are compromised because they are ALL taking their bribes, and yes, it is bribery.

He tells the truth like no other candidate. THAT is why they are so worried about him.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
66. ^^^THIS^^^!!!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:16 PM
Nov 2015

With Publicly Funded Elections, Bernie is attacking the root cause of most of our problems, the ability for the corporations and Plutocrats to continue to control our politicians through bribes! Say what you want about Hillary, she has no interest in fixing our corrupt system, she dominates it!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
47. and then promptly ran off to Bob Jones to outline exactly what role religion has in politics!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:12 PM
Nov 2015

he wasn't just rejecting the four decades of fundie meddling but the whole pandering trend of using Christianity as a mere label, as just a way to get "Values Voters" without having to think at all what "being Christian" means

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
69. Yes, what other candidate has refused to be forced into pandering to the demand to profess one's
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:21 AM
Nov 2015

'religious loyalty'? I can't think of ONE!

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
54. Alan Alda's decent Republican candidate did that on "West Wing," even though the
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:49 PM
Nov 2015

character actually *was* religiius. He admonished the idiots that a candidate's religion is none of their business.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
72. And I bet a lot of people cheered for that even though it was FICTION. But Bernie is REAL and he
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:35 AM
Nov 2015

did it without worrying about political consequences Seems there were none. So who has been pretending that a candidate for the WH MUST declare their religious creds? Why does Hillary and why did Obama feel the need to announce what GOOD CHRISTIANS they were/are?

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
7. Yep and to say otherwise shows a severe lack of thinking skills.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:54 PM
Nov 2015

His history is there and that can;t be denied.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. What they tried to do was to get in their smears and distortions BEFORE people got to know him
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:04 PM
Nov 2015

because they KNEW his Civil Rights Record was so good. It was so obvious.

What they didn't anticipate was that their focus on misrepresenting Bernie's history on Civil Rights, or dismissing it as they tried to do, would cause people, like ME eg, to start asking 'What was Hillary doing back then'?

And people did start asking. And comparing. And it was their own smear campaign that introduced Bernie to AAs who had no idea who he was.

And many of them and I saw and heard from AAs on this, began to ask 'Hey, why are they attacking this guy? He was fighting for my rights before I was born' and many people switched from Hillary to Bernie THANKS TO THEM!

He would have had to spend a lot of time and money to get the kind of attention from minorities they got for him.

Kind of like when Brock was caught trying to plant the 'commie' smear in the media, and THAT backfired so spectacularly, earning over $3 million dollars for Bernie.

This month, Bernie's support among AAs doubled and it will keep on increasing as it did among everyone else, as soon as people get to know him for themselves.

He's going to in Atlanta this Monday with Killer Mike introducing him.

Nina Turner has been working hard for his campaign.

Honest people recognize the truth when they see it.

They had hoped no one would bother to look for themselves. Shows how they underestimated AAs.

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
23. I think some of it is anti- Semitism and then there's
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:12 PM
Nov 2015

that bad, bad socialism. Yeah the old "that doesn't count it was so long ago" was bullshit.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Imo, only Right Wingers are anti-Semitic AND view McCarthyism as a good thing. But for most
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

Americans today, McCarthy and his vile, anti-Left campaign of fear and loathing, is history.

Using that, especially Dems who should be working to make sure future generations KNOW what a stain on our history those anti-Socialist lefties were.

I view ANYONE who tries to use that against Bernie as similar to what McCarthy did. Many of HIS victims were Jews also.

Shameful period of history that no Dem should be invoking to attack anyone on the Left with.

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
31. I'm sorry to say that it's not just Right Wingers that are anti-Semitic.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

There are democrats who are anti-Semitic. I view ANYONE who uses that against Bernie to be scum.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. 'The Scum also rises'! Sorry, couldn't resist. My sister wanted to use that as a title for a book
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

I like it. Someone should write it.

But yes, anyone who tries to paint Bernie and/or his supporters as racists, white supremicists, uses the old McCarthy smear in my book ARE scum.

I don't associate with such people. I prefer to spend my time among people who share the values that the Dem Party used to promote and will again hopefully.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. the point is to make factual denial of the smears look like a defensive reaction
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:06 PM
Nov 2015

"just more whitesplaining/NotAllMen/AllLivesMatter"

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
84. And they've failed to do that, try as they do. Because lies don't survive the truth.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

I personally do not worry one bit about those whose apparent goals are to divide people. Just leave them in the dust and keep moving forward. No one needs to defend against lies, nor should they and to me it is DESPICABLE to use an issue as serious as Racism as political tool. Whenever I see that, I know that those attempting to do so do NOT CARE one iota about the issue itself and are not worthy of any attention whatsoever.

Meantime the rest of us keep working hard to UNITE people which is so necessary when great Social Change is clearly needed.

And that is what is happening in the Real World.

On internet forums there are a few who seem to do nothing other than waste their time hoping to divide people. They will fail when everyone who actually cares about serious issues, trashes their threads and ignores them.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
88. that's why the tactic backfired: they say Sanders ignores Black people, immediately DECADES
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:01 PM
Nov 2015

of C-SPAN videos of him popped up and a wholescale outreach program was started--and, furthermore, videos of CLINTON started circulating

I don't think they could COMPREHEND that the move COULD backfire: they had all the experts on their side, they knew what buttons to push to get the right reaction from the rabble--say he was a Commie and wizz wirpp boing he'd calve off 5 percentage points among the diehards that still worked on

say he hated minorities, and wizz wirpp boing another 5 percentage points would drop

say he read bad biastophilic 70s mimeographed porn, and wizz wirpp boing another 5 percentage points

it's not like with Obama, where his record was spotty (telling Black dads to "stop being stereotypical," protecting Exelon, and acting as Rahm's "icebreaker" during primaries)--so everyone could just project whatever they wanted onto him

wizz wirpp boing

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
89. True, Bernie's record is his best weapon. Nothing they try is going to affect that. His ONLY
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:38 PM
Nov 2015

problem with ALL voters from the beginning was Name Recognition.

He now has some great AAs working for his campaign, making sure that the problem of name recognition diminishes as they help to introduce him to as many people as possible.

Lies die when they are exposed to the light of day.

We have tools now we did not have in the past to SWAT those lies as fast as they churn them out!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
90. IMHO Sanders' lag among African-Americans is due to media structure: there most definitely IS
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

a "Black media" that Clinton has had more experience with (which of course exists because they had never been ALLOWED to have a media)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
91. Well as Bernie said himself, he isn't well known, yet, to the Black community, he is now focusing
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:58 PM
Nov 2015

on expanding his campaign throughout the country in order to accomplish that recognition he needs in order to win.

Only a small % or the entire population had ever heard of him when he first announced his candidacy.

Look what he has accomplished wrt to that in just a few months, as compared to Hillary's DECADES of name recognition.

I never really was worried about minorities or the rest of the country once he took his campaign around the country.

Eg, his support in the AA community doubled in one month after he began introducing himself to them.

This month it is likely to increase even more.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
8. Life's lessons often trump and falsify those learned in the classroom
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:59 PM
Nov 2015

where the indoctrination begins

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. True, especially for thoughtful independent thinkers who are capable of seeing
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

things for themselves. Like Bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. Definitely. That's why we saw the Rovian attempt to try to dismiss his record, because they
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:20 PM
Nov 2015

knew this was one of his strengths and were trying to keep the AA community from learning about it.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
14. I think it's the proof of white privilege that many white people will go through life
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

without ever even realizing there is a difference.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. Fortunately not all people, and Bernie himself is a minority, one of the smallest in this
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

country which was not exactly welcomed here when fleeing Nazi Germany.

I tend not to place people in boxes other than 'good/bad' or 'right/wrong'

Bernie's own personal family history, and mine btw, make him capable of understanding these issues in a huge way many others may not.

kath

(10,565 posts)
16. Fighting against police brutality 50 years ago.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

but he's just a sexist, racist pig these days.

(According to many of the Hillarians)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Police brutality against minorities has INCREASED. I never see those who CLAIM to be so 'concerned'
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:40 PM
Nov 2015

about this issue contribute much other than talking points to the discussion.

But this year ALONE nearly 800 Americans, mostly minorities, and the poor, have been killed by our 'civilian police'.

What has either party done to stop this outrageous threat to Americans?

Why should we think that one party who has had the chance many times over the decades, is the answer, when cleearly it is NOT?

I wonder how many of the 'concerned' have been following what has been happening on the streets across the country since Michael Brown's murder by police?

I see nothing on THIS site about it. Not much interest here to be honest. Which is why people like me who have followed this egregious denial of rights by our AUTHORITIES who are supposed to PROTECT US, for many years, go elsewhere for real discussion of this issue.

Using race as a political tool is REPREHENSIBLE to those of us who have tried to end the brutality of our own so-called Civilian police for decades.

It will end when ALL Americans, minus the sick bigots of course, join forces to get it done.

Those who try to DIVIDE people are suspect in this regard to me.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
22. and who shout "sexism" to divide, is also
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

reprehensible and obscene. it cannot be undone, hillaryites.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
24. Keeping people DIVIDED helps keep ALL of them down. Bernie is a Uniter. Saw that
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015

clearly at Liberty University. And we are going to see it re this issue also, in SPITE of the dividers.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
30. People don't change.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:31 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders is an empath, imo. He feels the hurt of others - that is something built in. That he's worked to fight injustice against all groups all his life just proves it. Very rare to find someone like him who can't be swayed by money, influence or power - he is who he is.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
48. Ah ... thank you!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:24 PM
Nov 2015

D'Oh. Should have figured that out.

Yes, I think it's perfect for him - some people aren't capable of pretending to be other than what they are.

 

maggies farm

(79 posts)
76. I guess i am an old tech geezer but wizi ee wig
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:34 AM
Nov 2015
WYSIWYG (/ˈwɪziwɪɡ/ wiz-ee-wig)[1] is an acronym for "What You See Is What You Get". In computing, a WYSIWYG editor is a system in which content (text and graphics) onscreen during editing appears in a form closely corresponding to its appearance when printed or displayed as a finished product,[2] which might be a printed document, web page, or slide presentation





 

senz

(11,945 posts)
51. No, you're ahead of those times
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:39 PM
Nov 2015

because they are the past. So ... you'd have to be ahead of them, right? I mean, time moves forward, doesn't it? It would have to. So therefore, you are ahead.

But Bernie really is "what you see is what you get." I bet that's one reason why Jane married him. He's real.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
55. LOL thank you! I feel better now.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:51 PM
Nov 2015

Yes, he's real, he's brilliant and completely believes in the possibilities for the real change that so many have tried to make seem impossible, imho. I'm happy for her ... they seem great together.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
59. An empath. I like that. That takes a person of STRENGTH to be able to feel for others.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:36 PM
Nov 2015

In our culture STRENGTH is portrayed as people who shout a lot, carry weapons, but look how they react to a perceived threat! Lol, they are SCARED bunny rabbits.

When Bernie decided to step up to run in this race, NO ONE knew better than he what they were capable of in trying to stop him.

But there really was no one else who could do this, and I don't think he wanted to, he was just really the ONLY one whose record could hold up to the inevitable dirty smear campaigns.

That took a lot of courage. He was happy being a Senator who could mingle with the people who elected him, enjoy his grandchildren and family in a place where he could walk down the street without worrying.

He is willing to give that up, because he knows how badly the country needs to be protected from the neo/lib gang who use it like a bank to further their own goals.

He is a very strong and brave man.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
79. I'm going to save this post somehow.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:19 AM
Nov 2015

Agree with every word of it and will think about it every time I see another smear about his age, why didn't he do this years ago ... etc., etc. My heart honestly goes out to him for exactly what you've just said. He knows, and is sacrificing so much to at least try his hardest to turn things around ...... all because he loves the people he's trying to save from what anyone can see is only going to get worse, and for those who are struggling so hard already.

Obviously, I don't vote there .. but what a good man you have running. He reminds me of people I've cared about most in my life (my Dad, being one) with hearts so big they'd do whatever they could - for others - sometimes at the greatest expense to themselves.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
92. Beautiful post, thank you Polly. I think he does remind people of their fathers, grandfathers
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:21 PM
Nov 2015

who actually CARE about them.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
18. My grandpa
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:03 PM
Nov 2015

was once the editor of the Chicago Defender; maybe even during this time. Some things go in full circle. Now I'm voting for Bernie!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
62. I loved your story about your grandpa! It is so fascinating how things, as you say, sometimes
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:59 PM
Nov 2015

go full circle!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
44. Love stuff like that.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015

Six degrees of separation or whatever. Takes the chill off the edges of the universe.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
25. Hillary Supporters Live In A Bubble
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:16 PM
Nov 2015

Clinton supports so many REAL LIFE policies that kill, mame, destroy, hurt, impoverish, imprison and starve families. But none of that seems to matter because they like the optics, presentation, appearance, lineage, competition, drive, ego, pride and skills that she possesses. I find this not only heartbreaking but down right scary.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. SOME of them for sure. But not all. Some of my friends support her, but they are not very
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nov 2015

enthusiastic about her. It's more a matter of familiarity for them. Bernie is unknown, so far.

But I'm working on them!

Last time she ran my FIL was for Hillary. I am proud to say I changed HIS mind and he ended up supporting Obama!

Enthusiasm is a huge factor in winning elections. Especially when it's genuine.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
29. If you spend any time on the streets
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:29 PM
Nov 2015

you know there is a huge disconnect between the reality of what goes on in this country and the hype of this country.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. And I think more and more people do realize that what our propaganda machine known, euphemistically
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

as the 'News Media' tells us is pure propaganda.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
42. It's Infotainment
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:04 PM
Nov 2015

light on the info though. I stopped watching the news years ago, because it's so frustrating to watch celebrity gossip being touted as news. It's even more frustrating to watch as issue after issue gets ignored. Issues like police brutality, the homeless, people living in homes without heat, and on and on and on.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
60. Yes, not to mention that we pay for satelite or cable tv and are flooded with ads now from Big
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:54 PM
Nov 2015

Pharma. Every other ad is a 'take this pill' or that pill with warnings running along the bottom of the screen as soft music plays and happy couples make love to distract you from learning that THIS COULD KILL YOU.

Then we have the Law Firm ads telling you that 'if you or a loved one ever took this (fill in the blank) pill or medical procedure, and if you suffered the following symptoms including DEATH, please call 1-800-etc., as you may be entitled to a settlement.

It's hilarious. First they sell you the pills, then a couple of years later obligingly provide you with Lawyers.

They KNOW these medications are harmful, yet are allowed to push them on people many of whom never needed them in the first place.

Corporations rule this country! That has to change.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
63. I am seeing a therapist
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:02 PM
Nov 2015

I told her I did not want a prescription for anti-depressants because with the way my brain processes things I can't be sure how my brain and body would react. She said that it is a good idea to wait and see what we uncover before prescribing anything, because some anti-depressants actually make depression worse.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
64. Good for you. Many people just take whatever they are given and then suffer
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:10 PM
Nov 2015

side affects, then are given more meds to deal with the side effects. Happened to several people I know and when they got off the meds, if they were lucky, the symptoms went away.


Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
65. I think that my symptoms are not going to just go away
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:14 PM
Nov 2015

It's been 45 years give or take a few years. But, I have reasons to not want to be medicated out of my symptoms. I have no idea what those reasons are, but I am pretty sure that somewhere in my brain there is something that says lay low and don't make too many waves.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
45. We've still got nearly a year. It will take grassroots effort to upset the corporate
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:09 PM
Nov 2015

tyrannical apple cart. I'm trying my best to inform even the uneducated souls to kill the teevee before it kills them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
67. Bernie's political revolution is growing. The more people get to know him,, the more
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:59 AM
Nov 2015

they sign on to help change the course this country has been on for far too long.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
53. Gotta wonder
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:48 PM
Nov 2015

if those cops hassling Bernie participated lo these many years ago in the Grant Park operation, too.
Thanks for posting this Sabrina.

I say, "ON TO IOWA!" Go, Bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
61. What struck me about it is HOW LONG it's being on, police brutality against minorities.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:56 PM
Nov 2015

Decades long abuses and NOTHING has been done to stop it

It's worse now that the cops are armed with military weapons, which we have seen used in OWS AND the Ferguson protests which are still ongoing.

Neither party has done a thing to change the way this country is policed.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
57. Bernie is best
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:12 PM
Nov 2015

For the entire country, even for , no make that especially for the repugs, big business the banks and all in between. A complete healthy economy and a healthy employed populous is ideal for all concerned whether they believe it or not.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
68. I'm going to rec this because I like this quote.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

But I cannot stand the response saying "Bernie was BLM 50 years before BLM happened."

No.

Just, no.

BLM is a courageous response to colorblind racial assault. It is a beautiful movement by PoC against the system of white supremacy that has dominated for hundreds of years. It is struggle, it is pain, it is life, it is death.

BLM has changed me and built me. But I am white. I wouldn't in a million years say I was BLM, even though I fully support and agree with it, and have marched and could be arrested for it.

This ain't a white person fight. Don't you dare claim it is. This is a response to systemic oppression. BLM is a cry of pain, pain that white people cannot begin to imagine. It's a cry of dignity, of furious anger, of respect. BLM is about black lives. Not Sanders. Not fucking white people.

Don't you dare take credit for that. We learn, we don't create. We fight, but we don't live.

We cannot understand.

I like Sanders. I'm voting for him. He's the best by far on any issue that comes up, despite being a SWM. I disagree with him on most things, but I'm glad he's around. He stands a chance to revitalize a movement that's gained no traction in a world controlled by the privileged.

But it's not our fight. It's not his fight. Don't you dare pretend it's ours. We enslaved, attacked, murdered, raped, and more for hundreds of years, and we still do, no matter how liberal we pretend we are. And yes, I mean we. Because by the virtue of our white skin, we perpetuate white supremacy. We can fight it, and we should, but we still do. We can't not.

It is not him. It is not us. It is them. Their fight for their rights that we support. We don't define it.

Stop pretending we do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. Equality is EVERYONE'S fight! Don't anyone DARE to try to marginalize those who are the
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:29 AM
Nov 2015

victims of inequality.

No group of oppressed people throughout history has succeeded in ending the oppression by being ISOLATED from society.

But of course that is the goal of those who want to ensure that the decades, no centuries long bigotry continues. To DIVIDE them from those who would join them in the fight.

As someone who is descended from a centuries long oppressed people who the oppressors succeeded in cutting off from any support from outside their group I KNOW those tactics.

As a PEOPLE, Black, White, Gay, Straight, the people UNITED cannot be defeated.

But that is the goal, isn't it? To DIVIDE the people.

Don't fall for it!

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
71. I know the divisions.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:33 AM
Nov 2015

Believe me, I know.

But I've already abandoned the dem party. Sanders is literally the only person keeping me around.

But when people think he's a savior, when people think he somehow knows better than black people what's good for black people--that pisses me off.

Division is constant. And I will stand in solidarity with the oppressed, always. But we cannot pretend that somehow we know what is best for them. That's their decision, period. And we should shut up and listen.

Saying that Sanders was BLM before it existed ain't listening.

And not listening divides us more than anything else will.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
73. No one, least of Sanders, thinks he is a 'savior'. That is right wing jingoism whether you know it
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:45 AM
Nov 2015

or not.

Bernie more than anyone has made it clear that even if he were to get to the WH he would not be able to do much about anything, the powers who run things in this country are so entrenched.

Which is why he insists that we need a Political Revolution to even BEGIN to turn things around and begin the long process of undoing the great harm that has been done to this country.

AAs are speaking for themselves now. You seem to have been influenced by those on DU, mostly white people, who CLAIMED to speak for them. They don't. I think at this point that has been made clear by AAs like Nina Turner eg, who are speaking for themselves.

And they are seeing Sanders, part of a small minority himself, as the ONLY candidate they can trust to address the issue of racism, see our Foreign Policies eg, the MOST RACIST policies one could imagine, and the more minorities who get to know him, the more who are getting on board with his campaign.

Sanders knows the worst of human nature wrt to bigotry.

As more and more AAs join Sanders campaign, the more hope there is that maybe, finally, after decades of BOTH PARTIES failing to address this issue, Sanders, who actually LISTENS and LEARNS from the people, might begin the process of addressing something he himself is all too familiar with.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
75. I've reached my conclusions because of white seattlites.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:59 AM
Nov 2015

And black ones, too.

DU is not that important to me.

When I have talked to over 50+ liberals in Seattle (every one supporting Sanders) and only two supporting of BLM, it tells me something.

I like Sanders. I think he understands.

But his movement? I doubt it.

And that's coming from somebody who's been annoyed by the constant "Sanders supporters are racists" coming from this site.

His movement is not one for all. I wish it was. But it isn't centered on inequality, it's centered on income and economics. And there's a big, big difference.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
83. And I've had the opposite experience. Every person who supports Bernie that I know, unlike people
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
Nov 2015

who support the establishment candidates, support him precisely because they WANT Social Justice for EVERYONE, not just for the wealthy.

But people who worry more about party loyalty than real life are the ones I have found to be actually ANGRY when you ask them 'What has this administration done to STOP the murders of AAs by cops'??

They are ANGRY, you will be called a 'hater' etc etc. But not Bernie supporters, this is my reason for not supporting Hillary eg, she does not relate in any way to people who are not part of the wealthy class.

Bernie speaks for me on THIS issue more than any other candidate and so do the people are now working with him to try to bring about the changes necessary to end policies and introduce new one so that our Civilian police, who now are armed like military invaders, stop these killings, and that there is accountability when they do happen.

Why, eg, hasn't the DOJ become involved in these murders??? Ask a Hillary supporter that question, which I have, and see what response you get?

When death after death by cop, of unarmed, sometimes children occurs and the same pattern continues, send it to the GJ, get a 'no indictment' from them, nothing happens. Rather than an investigation, not internal, external, then a prosecution and a trial and if guilty a conviction.

Has there been ANY sign that the pattern for gettng these cops off is going to change under the current administration?

As for who isn't interested in change, so what?

Major social justice changes have NEVER had the support of everyone, most times not even a majority throughout history.

I really don't care about those who don't want to see changes. Too bad, good leadership will take care of what needs to be done and they will have to accept it. Which is always the case.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
74. The sad thing is that some are willing to put their trust for social justice in the 1% and their
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:51 AM
Nov 2015

bought and paid for candidates. The same 1% that has gotten us where we are today.

There is a choice. Why support conservatives that owe their allegiance to the billionaires, who don't give a crap about social justice, instead of supporting progressives that have for decades supported social justice?

Maybe the answer is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
77. I like this post.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:55 AM
Nov 2015

It isn't always easy in the Latino community (my) and lots of shit has gone down, but the African American community face relentless oppression, racism and are killed in high numbers by racist people. I believe it is a genocide.

This shit has to stop and BLM is important and it is theirs. You are correct, we don't live it and they are not waiting to be saved. They want us to get it and stand behind them, do our part to fight racism when we see and hear it, but they are the lead.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
95. No, I meant it as a response to all.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:32 PM
Nov 2015

This is not the first, or second, or fifth, or 12th time I've heard this. It's at least that much, anyways.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
98. Scoot, I'm not trying to be a dick.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:13 PM
Nov 2015

I really have heard it all too often. It ain't like I'm a shill for Clinton.

If this movement is going to succeed, it needs to be incredibly aware of itself. So far, I'm not seeing that. And that worries me. To the point I'm almost about done with it.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
81. I think that people (victims of crime, child abuse, etc.)...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

...have truly seen the underbelly of life and society. Just like Bernie saw it here.

When you care enough to try to obtain justice--and no one cares--and the framework that props up our society (police, adults who should know better, etc.) do absolutely nothing, it is jarring.

You live your life as someone who knows that underbelly is there, and that's how the world really works.

It can be consuming and depressing.

I'm glad that Sanders saw it, rose up and spent his life trying to make life better.

It takes an incredibly strong person to do that.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
85. I'm sorry that . .
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie's Political Science class sucked so badly.

Had he walked into one of my Pol Sci classes (I'm retired now),
I'd like to think the ugly experience he had would have been
discussed and analyzed by the group.

It could and should have been a moment of epiphany for all.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
97. He walks the talk. He's REAL. He's one of the most honest people I've ever seen hold a political
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:06 PM
Nov 2015

Office of any kind. He MUST BE our President. This country needs him - desperately.

What a story! Sad to say, it doesn't surprise me one bit.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
100. He's going to win!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015

The more people see and hear him, the more support he gets. He's got this!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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