Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumLOL! Bernie just said he's not running for president because it's "his turn."
He actually said, he doesn't care that it's "not my turn" using finger quotes.
valerief
(53,235 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Autumn
(45,108 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Sanders is the right candidate at the right time.
Clinton thinks she's entitled to the Presidency. It's all about her.
Bernie truly wants to enact meaningful change.
Hillary will continue with the status quo. The corporate funds have all ready infiltrated her campaign--and she will represent their interests. This is the same bullshit that we've seen for years now, and it's only gotten worse. Hillary won't change that. She's part of the problem.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Their first order of business is to purge the Liberals.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)helped to form the DLC. Their agenda all along has been to destroy the Democratic party from the inside out so it more closely resembles the GOP.
senz
(11,945 posts)I wonder how they got that way?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The Republicans were sell outs to the corporations, the defense contractors, Wall Street and other powerful interests. It used to be that the Democrats didn't engage in this type of corruption, but guess what--it's tempting to go to the dark side. It's where the money and power is.
All it took was some corrupt, soulless Democrats who couldn't resist the shiny silver. The Clintons represent that weakness.
It's a powerful game the corporations and our government are playing. I imagine that it's very hard to resist.
The corporations enrich the politicians; and our politicians, in return write favorable legislation, craft tax code that ensures that they keep their billions and keep them unregulated and making obscene profits.
Have you read about the Clinton Foundation and their dalliances with Boeing and other defense contractors?
(This is but ONE example. Can you imagine the favors, windfalls and power plays that have been brokered through the Clinton Foundation?)
Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation. A group of defense contractors, headed by Boeing, received $29 billion in defense contracts for fighter jets that will be delivered to Saudi Arabia.
This happened at the behest of Clinton's State Department, and most articles on this subject report that Hillary Clinton herself shepherded this deal through until it was complete.
For more horrifying reading about the Boeing deal:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
senz
(11,945 posts)Thanks, CC. This is one of the best arguments I've read refuting the fitness of HRC for the presidency. She should not be allowed that much power; we've already seen how she handles it in more limited doses.
Yes, I read the IBTimes article; it horrified me. Someone posted it a couple of months ago, and when the H supporters showed up at the thread, they discarded it as if it weren't important.
They do not care what she does.
I hope she can be kept from getting the nomination.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Heck, Bernie probably cuts in front of shoppers at the grocery store all the time. WOMEN shoppers.
He doesn't care "if it's his turn".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But, I wouldn't put it past her.
pa28
(6,145 posts)I think they keep doing it because we Bernie supporters tend to be pretty earnest and we keep taking the bait. JMHO.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)We are earnest. In fact, I don't have a sense of humor that I'm aware of...
Well, I do, actually - but they do get us going. There are a couple that drive me nuts because they just keep on coming with the wedge issues. Oh, Bernie's got problems with people of color. Bernie's got problems with women. Bernie's a socialist. Bernie can't win. Bernie is a hypocrite because of that nurse super PAC...it gets OLD.
Bernie is the best candidate we've had in my voting lifetime, that's for sure, and he's got a huge underground swell of support that isn't showing up in the establishment polls. The media for the most part ignores or gives him the old 'tongue in cheek' treatment, and right now the oligarchs who really call the shots are too freaked out about Rump and Carson to worry about Bernie.
But they will...
There is one really good thing though: We've got his back and we're gonna see him into the GE and then into the WH.
senz
(11,945 posts)Righties always patronize and mock of liberals.
People are what they do.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)I've been a feminist my entire life, and I've had to deal with sexism in the workplace. For decades we've been fighting for fair treatment *regardless* of our gender. Hillary comes along and tries to redefine feminism as "fighting for special treatment BECAUSE of her gender", which completely undermines the entire movement! We want EQUALITY, *NOT* "special entitlements".
djean111
(14,255 posts)The special treatment thing is NOT what equality means. It marginalizes equality.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Just heard the applause from Georgetown. Deafening and prolonged.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Will look for clips later.
merrily
(45,251 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)everything together. I am sure you've all seen the other op's about Hillary crushing it with young people from the famous PPP , Hillary superpac, david brock, correct the record poll. All I can say is they are flailing now and are really getting nervous. I see it as a good thing
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I consider them a joke now.they have totally in tank for clinton.I unfollowed them on twitter because of it.
claiming clinton is ahead with younger voters is totaly country to all evidance.He killed it today and they have to brag about their
"polls"
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Wonder when the finger wagging will begin.
gordyfl
(598 posts)I saw most of it. Very good. Bernie is shaking things up in Washington, and he hasn't even become president, yet. Expect the rich and powerful to come after him with everything they have. Bernie's laying it out there.
I can visualize Bernie as president. A good president.
His foreign policies. Excellent!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)Good speech.
gordyfl
(598 posts)I've heard that argument from Hillary supporters. Was it "Obama's Turn" when he won in 2008?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)I have a dream . . . . of a Clinton-less government!
In addition to all of the major policy differences I have with her (long-demonstrated, not recently adopted)policy positions and actions, the concept of 4 or 8 more years of the Clinton wheeling-dealing, high drama, personality battles, revenge lists, special interest catering, militaristic war mongering, etc., is just indescribably bleak.
I would like them to take their personal wealth (most recently estimated at $80 million plus) and happily retire to some exclusive One Percent enclave.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)There will be a brief pause while the next barrage of talking points is disseminated.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)So many of the Faux-aged voters grew up in that time, and if nudged, would remember the WPA, National Parks/Forests, schools, highways, public education, the hope - and prosperity - of us all pulling together.
And many youngsters ( < age 30 ) never learned about it in school & would do well to get some facts about that time in America's history.
.... yeah, I realize the folks who need to understand it the most probably weren't watching anyway, but I can wish, can't I ?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...with other sections in-between.
First, he discussed the New Deal being denounced as "socialist."
Later, he talked about FDR's Second Bill of Rights. It's based on the idea the economic security is needed for freedom. Bernie Sanders said that's what democratic socialism is about.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I'm smarter than the average bear and I didn't hear it spelled out in plain enough terms.
A to B to C. Direct line. That's what fence-sitters are going to need.
Talk over me/them at your own peril.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)"Im not running for president because its my turn, but because its the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity."
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)I believe this is it.
I'm at work and can't use the sound on my computer. But I'm pretty sure this is the speech!
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Thanx..
That's it.
SD
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's been up for only 8 hours and already has 423,900+ views!!
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/78050050#to00:11:12
jalan48
(13,870 posts)At times it feels like a high school student body election.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Bernie, we loves ya!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Not his typical style or class.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)And given the context--that it's not any candidate's turn, but "the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity"--I think he nailed the difference between himself and Clinton in one sentence. For Clinton, it's about her. For Sanders it's about us.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)If not, then it would have been better left unsaid. He's running with an argument that is being pushed by people who are against Hillary, because some of her supporters say "It's her turn"...so it looks bad when he says it, no matter what he adds to it. It looks like a personal attack, not sticking to issues.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)You may have noticed that talking points get farmed out so HRC can claim she didn't say things it's pretty clear she meant.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He turned (ha!) the "whose turn is it?" issue into being one about all of us: it's the American people's turn, not anyone else's.
Now, those of us who live and breath politics will see it as a small jab at HRC's implicit belief that it's her turn, but to the average American, it will be seen as what he said - that the PEOPLE deserve a turn in office to get this country working for them again.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)DU is certainly not the right place to make a judgement call on that. We are all too jaded and ready to fight.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm sure some of them got the jab, but I bet a lot of them didn't think of it as anything more than Bernie's not running for himself, but for us.
And, you're right about DU! GD-P should be renamed the DMZ. LOL.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Like the Debate Debacle. They are willing to throw the general election to gain her the nomination.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)citing youguv poll claiming she won second debate.
i can't take anyone seriously who claims she won second debate but i knew this was coming.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It stated that 43% of respondents didn't even know a debate had occurred (Poll was taken yesterday). Only 7% of respondents had actually seen the whole debate. The majority either didn't know it had occurred, or based their opinions on what they had heard about it on tv news shows.
See page 2, it's comedy gold: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/3ayodjt51p/tabs_OP_Democratic_Debate_20151118.pdf
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)LOL He is running circles around Hillary and she just doesn't get it yet. I am pretty sure she knows it's happening, just not the how.
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