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LOL! Bernie just said he's not running for president because it's "his turn." (Original Post) Fawke Em Nov 2015 OP
That was great! valerief Nov 2015 #1
Zing! sarge43 Nov 2015 #2
Boom there it is! Autumn Nov 2015 #3
It needed to be said! CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #4
The Clintons think the Democratic Party belongs to them.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #24
They've been working on that since they first Lorien Nov 2015 #49
It's a deeply misanthropic attitude. senz Nov 2015 #53
Comes from being buddy buddy with Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #56
Repubs do have a coarsening effect. It's visible. senz Nov 2015 #57
Follow the money... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #64
+1000 -- Corrupt and an abuse of power. senz Nov 2015 #65
How long before the other side invents some kind of microaggression from that comment? pa28 Nov 2015 #5
Given the crap about "Shouting", a day and a half. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #8
Do people really buy this stuff? Fawke Em Nov 2015 #12
Nobody buys it. Least of all the people using sex and race right here on DU. pa28 Nov 2015 #18
+1 Exactly. What say we STOP? n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #21
This is true. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #54
It seems we're the "liberals" around here. senz Nov 2015 #55
Lol nt corkhead Nov 2015 #36
Hillary is the anti-Feminist candidate Lorien Nov 2015 #51
My take exactly. djean111 Nov 2015 #63
LOL! merrily Nov 2015 #6
Oh good. I didn't get to really listen since I was at work. cui bono Nov 2015 #42
He was amazing and the those present seem to think so, too. merrily Nov 2015 #43
Haha. Good one. zentrum Nov 2015 #7
I just watched the whole thing live. Absolutely fantastic. Bernie was amazing the way he tied litlbilly Nov 2015 #9
They still think that poll is real? Fawke Em Nov 2015 #13
Yep Robbins Nov 2015 #16
Clinton Is A Liar billhicks76 Nov 2015 #27
Our Next President (Hopefully) gordyfl Nov 2015 #20
:evilgrin: WillyT Nov 2015 #10
Ditto leftcoastmountains Nov 2015 #11
Hillary's Turn gordyfl Nov 2015 #14
Very funny! "It's my turn . . .again." Divernan Nov 2015 #34
Please stand by. winter is coming Nov 2015 #15
Loved the event. But was hoping for a bit more of an 'FDR / New Deal 101' discussion Myrina Nov 2015 #17
Bernie Sanders discussed FDR multiple times in the speech Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #25
I don't need a recap. I was listening on CSpan. Myrina Nov 2015 #37
+1 THIS > "economic security is needed for freedom" n/t Beartracks Nov 2015 #60
Might be a good idea to assemble that and get it on Facebook. jwirr Nov 2015 #41
Here's the full quote - he Tweeted it. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #19
awesome! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #33
He KILLED. Great speech, he needs to keep making it! Indepatriot Nov 2015 #22
I wanna SEE, I wanna SEE. Link please? n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #23
Here... KansDem Nov 2015 #26
I love you, I love you, I love you. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #30
YouTube video of the speech Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #28
The Georgetown link has gone completely viral! Fawke Em Nov 2015 #47
Ain't that the truth. jalan48 Nov 2015 #29
OH Snap! SoapBox Nov 2015 #31
I wish he hadn't gone there. passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #32
agree. and now he gave more reason for similar comments in his direction. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #35
It's a stupid meme that deserves all the contempt it gets. winter is coming Nov 2015 #38
Has Clinton ever said "It's my turn"? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #39
The attitude has been there, both in '08 and now, whether or not she's explicitly said the words. winter is coming Nov 2015 #40
I think he was pretty sly with his remarks. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #44
I hope you are right passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #46
Well, the Georgetown crowd loved it. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #48
DWS/Hillary imply it every day in every action AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #50
Clinton supporters at it again Robbins Nov 2015 #45
One was posted a couple hours ago AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #52
So it amounts to people telling the pollster, "I heard Clinton win, so I guess Clinton won"? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #59
We need this with Bernie in it DJ13 Nov 2015 #58
finger quotes Kalidurga Nov 2015 #61
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #62
KnR! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #66

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
4. It needed to be said!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders is the right candidate at the right time.

Clinton thinks she's entitled to the Presidency. It's all about her.

Bernie truly wants to enact meaningful change.

Hillary will continue with the status quo. The corporate funds have all ready infiltrated her campaign--and she will represent their interests. This is the same bullshit that we've seen for years now, and it's only gotten worse. Hillary won't change that. She's part of the problem.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. The Clintons think the Democratic Party belongs to them....
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015

Their first order of business is to purge the Liberals.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
49. They've been working on that since they first
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:05 AM
Nov 2015

helped to form the DLC. Their agenda all along has been to destroy the Democratic party from the inside out so it more closely resembles the GOP.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
64. Follow the money...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:58 AM
Nov 2015

The Republicans were sell outs to the corporations, the defense contractors, Wall Street and other powerful interests. It used to be that the Democrats didn't engage in this type of corruption, but guess what--it's tempting to go to the dark side. It's where the money and power is.

All it took was some corrupt, soulless Democrats who couldn't resist the shiny silver. The Clintons represent that weakness.

It's a powerful game the corporations and our government are playing. I imagine that it's very hard to resist.

The corporations enrich the politicians; and our politicians, in return write favorable legislation, craft tax code that ensures that they keep their billions and keep them unregulated and making obscene profits.

Have you read about the Clinton Foundation and their dalliances with Boeing and other defense contractors?

(This is but ONE example. Can you imagine the favors, windfalls and power plays that have been brokered through the Clinton Foundation?)

Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation. A group of defense contractors, headed by Boeing, received $29 billion in defense contracts for fighter jets that will be delivered to Saudi Arabia.

This happened at the behest of Clinton's State Department, and most articles on this subject report that Hillary Clinton herself shepherded this deal through until it was complete.

For more horrifying reading about the Boeing deal:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
65. +1000 -- Corrupt and an abuse of power.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:45 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks, CC. This is one of the best arguments I've read refuting the fitness of HRC for the presidency. She should not be allowed that much power; we've already seen how she handles it in more limited doses.

Yes, I read the IBTimes article; it horrified me. Someone posted it a couple of months ago, and when the H supporters showed up at the thread, they discarded it as if it weren't important.

They do not care what she does.

I hope she can be kept from getting the nomination.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
5. How long before the other side invents some kind of microaggression from that comment?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

Heck, Bernie probably cuts in front of shoppers at the grocery store all the time. WOMEN shoppers.

He doesn't care "if it's his turn".

pa28

(6,145 posts)
18. Nobody buys it. Least of all the people using sex and race right here on DU.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:57 PM
Nov 2015

I think they keep doing it because we Bernie supporters tend to be pretty earnest and we keep taking the bait. JMHO.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
54. This is true.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:17 AM
Nov 2015

We are earnest. In fact, I don't have a sense of humor that I'm aware of...

Well, I do, actually - but they do get us going. There are a couple that drive me nuts because they just keep on coming with the wedge issues. Oh, Bernie's got problems with people of color. Bernie's got problems with women. Bernie's a socialist. Bernie can't win. Bernie is a hypocrite because of that nurse super PAC...it gets OLD.

Bernie is the best candidate we've had in my voting lifetime, that's for sure, and he's got a huge underground swell of support that isn't showing up in the establishment polls. The media for the most part ignores or gives him the old 'tongue in cheek' treatment, and right now the oligarchs who really call the shots are too freaked out about Rump and Carson to worry about Bernie.

But they will...

There is one really good thing though: We've got his back and we're gonna see him into the GE and then into the WH.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
55. It seems we're the "liberals" around here.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:20 AM
Nov 2015

Righties always patronize and mock of liberals.

People are what they do.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
51. Hillary is the anti-Feminist candidate
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:08 AM
Nov 2015

I've been a feminist my entire life, and I've had to deal with sexism in the workplace. For decades we've been fighting for fair treatment *regardless* of our gender. Hillary comes along and tries to redefine feminism as "fighting for special treatment BECAUSE of her gender", which completely undermines the entire movement! We want EQUALITY, *NOT* "special entitlements".

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
63. My take exactly.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:09 AM
Nov 2015

The special treatment thing is NOT what equality means. It marginalizes equality.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
9. I just watched the whole thing live. Absolutely fantastic. Bernie was amazing the way he tied
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:43 PM
Nov 2015

everything together. I am sure you've all seen the other op's about Hillary crushing it with young people from the famous PPP , Hillary superpac, david brock, correct the record poll. All I can say is they are flailing now and are really getting nervous. I see it as a good thing

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
16. Yep
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:54 PM
Nov 2015

I consider them a joke now.they have totally in tank for clinton.I unfollowed them on twitter because of it.

claiming clinton is ahead with younger voters is totaly country to all evidance.He killed it today and they have to brag about their
"polls"

gordyfl

(598 posts)
20. Our Next President (Hopefully)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:11 PM
Nov 2015

I saw most of it. Very good. Bernie is shaking things up in Washington, and he hasn't even become president, yet. Expect the rich and powerful to come after him with everything they have. Bernie's laying it out there.

I can visualize Bernie as president. A good president.

His foreign policies. Excellent!

gordyfl

(598 posts)
14. Hillary's Turn
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

I've heard that argument from Hillary supporters. Was it "Obama's Turn" when he won in 2008?


Divernan

(15,480 posts)
34. Very funny! "It's my turn . . .again."
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

I have a dream . . . . of a Clinton-less government!

In addition to all of the major policy differences I have with her (long-demonstrated, not recently adopted)policy positions and actions, the concept of 4 or 8 more years of the Clinton wheeling-dealing, high drama, personality battles, revenge lists, special interest catering, militaristic war mongering, etc., is just indescribably bleak.

I would like them to take their personal wealth (most recently estimated at $80 million plus) and happily retire to some exclusive One Percent enclave.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
17. Loved the event. But was hoping for a bit more of an 'FDR / New Deal 101' discussion
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

So many of the Faux-aged voters grew up in that time, and if nudged, would remember the WPA, National Parks/Forests, schools, highways, public education, the hope - and prosperity - of us all pulling together.

And many youngsters ( < age 30 ) never learned about it in school & would do well to get some facts about that time in America's history.


.... yeah, I realize the folks who need to understand it the most probably weren't watching anyway, but I can wish, can't I ?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
25. Bernie Sanders discussed FDR multiple times in the speech
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015

...with other sections in-between.

First, he discussed the New Deal being denounced as "socialist."

Later, he talked about FDR's Second Bill of Rights. It's based on the idea the economic security is needed for freedom. Bernie Sanders said that's what democratic socialism is about.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
37. I don't need a recap. I was listening on CSpan.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:52 PM
Nov 2015

I'm smarter than the average bear and I didn't hear it spelled out in plain enough terms.

A to B to C. Direct line. That's what fence-sitters are going to need.

Talk over me/them at your own peril.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
19. Here's the full quote - he Tweeted it.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:03 PM
Nov 2015

"I’m not running for president because it’s my turn, but because it’s the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity."

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
26. Here...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:58 PM
Nov 2015

I believe this is it.



I'm at work and can't use the sound on my computer. But I'm pretty sure this is the speech!

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
38. It's a stupid meme that deserves all the contempt it gets.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:05 PM
Nov 2015

And given the context--that it's not any candidate's turn, but "the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity"--I think he nailed the difference between himself and Clinton in one sentence. For Clinton, it's about her. For Sanders it's about us.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
39. Has Clinton ever said "It's my turn"?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:14 PM
Nov 2015

If not, then it would have been better left unsaid. He's running with an argument that is being pushed by people who are against Hillary, because some of her supporters say "It's her turn"...so it looks bad when he says it, no matter what he adds to it. It looks like a personal attack, not sticking to issues.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
40. The attitude has been there, both in '08 and now, whether or not she's explicitly said the words.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:20 PM
Nov 2015

You may have noticed that talking points get farmed out so HRC can claim she didn't say things it's pretty clear she meant.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
44. I think he was pretty sly with his remarks.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:21 PM
Nov 2015

He turned (ha!) the "whose turn is it?" issue into being one about all of us: it's the American people's turn, not anyone else's.

Now, those of us who live and breath politics will see it as a small jab at HRC's implicit belief that it's her turn, but to the average American, it will be seen as what he said - that the PEOPLE deserve a turn in office to get this country working for them again.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
46. I hope you are right
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:29 PM
Nov 2015

DU is certainly not the right place to make a judgement call on that. We are all too jaded and ready to fight.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
48. Well, the Georgetown crowd loved it.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

I'm sure some of them got the jab, but I bet a lot of them didn't think of it as anything more than Bernie's not running for himself, but for us.

And, you're right about DU! GD-P should be renamed the DMZ. LOL.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
50. DWS/Hillary imply it every day in every action
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:08 AM
Nov 2015

Like the Debate Debacle. They are willing to throw the general election to gain her the nomination.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
45. Clinton supporters at it again
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:27 PM
Nov 2015

citing youguv poll claiming she won second debate.

i can't take anyone seriously who claims she won second debate but i knew this was coming.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
52. One was posted a couple hours ago
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:12 AM
Nov 2015

It stated that 43% of respondents didn't even know a debate had occurred (Poll was taken yesterday). Only 7% of respondents had actually seen the whole debate. The majority either didn't know it had occurred, or based their opinions on what they had heard about it on tv news shows.

See page 2, it's comedy gold: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/3ayodjt51p/tabs_OP_Democratic_Debate_20151118.pdf

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
61. finger quotes
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:11 AM
Nov 2015

LOL He is running circles around Hillary and she just doesn't get it yet. I am pretty sure she knows it's happening, just not the how.

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