My adivce to bernie supporters

[Robbins]

ignore the clinton supporters who post links saying bernie was terrable in debate or clinton was strong.

That just proves like republicans they are living in their own reality.

I donated 10 dollars after debate.I refuse to let Clinton supporters depress me or bring me down.

If anything the debate made me even more detminded to support bernie and never vote for her.

Some clinton supporters act like primary is ilrelvent the 2016 general campagin has already beguin.

I refuse to concede before any votes are made.

[JonLeibowitz]

1. Recommend

I donated $50!

It is still important to point out the horrible answers HRC gave and make sure people know Sanders won. You know he won because none of camp weathervane is saying she won--only that the debate doesn't matter.

[Robbins]

6. after last night's performance

the bias couldn't be more clear.he did grea last night.she did terrable.

be prepared for polls in next week saying she won which ask people who didn't watchd ebate but listen to pundidts saying she did and which greatly underpoll under 50 voters.the ones mostly supporting bernie.We know the game now.

[840high]

24. She walked on the dead.

[rhett o rick]

42. Just when you didn't think she would go lower. But she ain't done. Big Money will not let Sen

Sanders win at all costs.

[retrowire]

2. As expected...

The hillary supporters lean on PUNDITS AND POLLS, PUNDITS AND POLLS

While we rely on actual opinions from all kinds of sources. Not just the few that favor our candidate as they do.

[CountAllVotes]

4. Hubby Bill was shilling for her on twitter ...

About 10 mins. before the end of the thing he tweeted how great she was. Yeppers Bill.

[appalachiablue]

11. I saw Bill's tweets last night too.

[CountAllVotes]

13. tweeting for himself

IMO.

[merrily]

22. In fairness, my husband would have been tweeting the same thing all night, even

I had stood there drooling silently throughout the debate--and he would have believed it, too!

[CoffeeCat]

25. These are the tricks she employed in 08...

...it's amazing how identical this situation is to the 08 campaigns.

Clinton had the media on her side and touting her inevitability. I live in Iowa, and this was so over-the-top. We were practically told that Hillary was going to win and supporting Obama or Edwards was a laughable waste of time.

She used questionable polls and her media-lapdog friends to create the appearance of more support than she actually had. Then, when it came time to vote in the Iowa caucuses, lo and behold--the people of Iowa were smart enough to vote for the best candidate. And Hillary came in third.

I can't stress enough (and I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself) that Iowans take seriously that they are the first primary. We demand engagement with these politicians and we're very serious about researching these candidates. We don't like to be told who is "inevitable." In fact, that pisses us off. We'll decide for ourselves, thank you very much.

Bernie was polling at 4 percent in Iowa, in the Spring. He's managed to pull within 15 of Hillary. And at this stage of the game--the caucus season has yet to reach its peak. It could go either way.

This time, during the 08 caucuses (2.5 months before the caucus was held) Obama was behind in Iowa by 10.

I am happy that my state is first to vote, because we truly are independent thinkers. Especially the Democrats in our state. There is a large Progressive contingent within the party. And they vote in high numbers.

So...relax a bit. We still have a lot of work to do, but Hillary is about as "inevitable" this time around, as she was in 08. And she knows that.

[Robbins]

29. I remember that very well

I can also remember when clinton supporters were actin like Iowa was a bunch of backwoads racists despite fact Obama won
Iowa in 2008.If bernie pulls off wins in both iowa and NH,and i still think he can the memo will again be iowa and NH should
not matter since they are backwords states with no minoritys and only devise states like SC should matter.

although let's remember untill Obama won Iowa most blacks were supporting her

[Fawke Em]

55. I love reading your posts.

Your on-the-ground perspective gives me hope when the polls and pundits try to persuade me that there isn't any.

I'm actually doing some research on polling based on some discussions I had and some information I read yesterday.

Polling may be fairly useless at this point, no matter how much science goes into reading the data. If the data is bad... well, you know the saying, "Garbage in, garbage out."

[azmom]

3. I donated last night.

I'm feeling the Bern!

[Faux pas]

5. Kicketty Kickin'

I don't even bother to read their threads. I know what the truth is.

[LittleGirl]

16. me either! eom

[Hepburn]

50. I avoid the threads and use ignore a lot.

Sad, first time since I joined in 2004 that I found it necessary to block a fellow DUer.

[Faux pas]

54. Yeah I Love

ignore! I've been here over 10 years and I have never used the alert button.

[cantbeserious]

7. I Also Donated Last Night

eom

[appalachiablue]

8. K & R. I've ceased reading most of their threads. Yesterday the board was

filled with negativity & doom for Bernie due to the French tragedy, HRC's expertise on foreign policy, how Bernie is finished, blah, blah. The posters were proved so wrong; that was one of the weakest, not strongest performances by HRC after all.

[Robbins]

10. I agree

I felt Bernie didn't get to talk much during foregin Policy questions.

The pundits and MSM polls can claim all they want she won debate.that doesn't make it true.

back in 2012 CNN instant poll claimed after VP debate and second presidential debate ryan and romney won those.so i don't take the clinton won polls anymore seriously than i did those.

[Truprogressive85]

9. Too add to op has to say

To my fellow Bernie Supporters

Don't ever give up
Its up to the voters (us) who will have the final say on who we want as the nominee not the polls
if the polls were right than Obama would never been president. Do you think for a second that Alexrod, Plouffe looked at polls during the 08' and told Obama he had no chance answer: Hell no !!
Sen. Sanders is not only running for president but for the the soul of what is left of this party
Pres.Obama as much he went to the center even towards the right, his campaigned showed us what the people can do when they show up to the polls

[Robbins]

12. So very true

forget how obama has been as president.lot of similarties to his campagin against CLinton as there is to bernie now.back then we
were told obama has no chance.In some polling bernie is doing better than obama was at this time in 2007.

[dreamnightwind]

43. Well said!

[Cassiopeia]

14. I will not cast my GE vote before

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I cast my primary vote.

We have polls that really matter coming up, they're called elections. I think I'll let the voters speak before I start picking my GE votes.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Very good advice

I'm through posting on the matter for now, but I really had to say something. Mrs. Clinton's weaknesses were on full display last night and any declaration that she won the debate while practically admitting that she's bought and paid for by Wall Street criminals was not something that ought to go unanswered.

Right now, I trust no establishment sources of news. They are Wall Street's propagandists backing the Third Way just as Fox is the GOP's propagandists backing right wing morons. Truth is subordinate to the desired outcome of next year's election.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. I remember someone else who declared "Mission Accomplished" prematurely....

That didn't go well either.

[Orrex]

18. It is in poor taste to liken fellow Democrats to Republicans

Especially as it pertains to matters of delusion:

That just proves like republicans they are living in their own reality.

I know that this is the Sanders group, but "safe haven" or not, you don't have carte blanche to make ugly broad-brush attacks against fellow Democrats simply because they don't support Sanders.

Sanders himself would certainly not approve of such a tactic, especially considering that the Democrats you characterize as "like republicans" will undoubtedly vote for him if he's on the ballot in Nov 2016.


I'll leave it at that since this is the Sanders group, except to add in closing that you do Sanders no favors in choosing him to support him this way.

[PotatoChip]

19. I just donated too.

And I have yet to see the debate. I've read about it about it as much as time would allow, though.

[Chico Man]

20. Terrible*

My advice to you: use spellcheck

[Chico Man]

21. How could such a post get so many recs?

Terrable? Detminded? Ilrelvent?

Come on people. Quality matters.

[merrily]

23. It do?

People rec an OP on the basis of content, not spelling or typos.

[Chico Man]

30. Spelling and typos is content

If you have something important to say, spend the time to say correctly. Otherwise, you end up like this OP: a pile of garbage - some quick thought that desperate Bernie supporters will rec without even reading because it is trending. It's lazy: meta-slacktivism.

[merrily]

31. Heh. Spelling and typos ARE content, not is content.

"If you have something important to say, spend the time to say correctly."

Just abut the only time I mention grammar, spelling and/or usage on a board are under this kind of circunstance, because the irony is just too seductive and I have next to no will power.

By the way, aren't you a Bernie supporter? If not, why are you in this group?

[Chico Man]

33. So you agree?

No? Are you series!!11

[merrily]

34. From my prior post, it was clear that I do not agree.

[FlatBaroque]

47. ...

[merrily]

48. I know, right? How many times I get to do that is surprising.

[Hepburn]

51. +1,000

[CoffeeCat]

27. I'm an editor...

...and believe me, I sometimes post using my phone, and my posts are riddled with errors.

It happens.

[Chico Man]

32. Right

And I still think the OP is ridiculous and a very poor reflection on DU.

After all, where did "I'm really series!!!!!!111!!1!11!" originate?

Garbage I tell you, garbage.

[merrily]

35. I'm relatively certain that originated on FREEP and has long been parodied on

left boards.

Again, why are you posting about spelling and typos in this group. You don't seem to be one of those desperate Bernie Supporters upon whom you look down. No errors to carp about in the Hillary Group?

[Chico Man]

36. You are absolutely correct

Back in the day, DU took pride in the quality of its content.

Terrable? Detminded? Ilrelvent?

Fodder for parody, no doubt.

[merrily]

38. You don't seem to belong in this group and you are disrupting discussion over

pissant nonsense that matters only to you. Stop.

[Chico Man]

39. By all means

Let this site spiral into the toilet.

I've been involved since 2001, and this very thread is the absolute rock bottom.

Enjoy.

[merrily]

40. About time. And, oh, the drama and the bs.

You sure made light of your own error quickly enough.

[MrMickeysMom]

41. Here it goes!

[senz]

57. Spoken language is very different from written language.

Different skills. Message boards are closer to spoken language. Try to understand what the commenter means and judge the comment on its meaning alone. The point is: communication.

[fasttense]

26. Thanks for posting.

I forgot to watch the debates and from reading the board this morning, I would have thought only Hillary was in them.

I think I will go give a donation to Bernie.

[mike dub]

28. Just now matched your donation, on bernieDU donation site, Robbins

Thanks
Eom

[PotatoChip]

37. Off topic somewhat, but does anyone know how

I can see the debate in full?

Somebody posted it in the Video Forum, but it was removed. So I tried the CBS website and couldn't seem to get it to work.

Then, off to YouTube I went, and was able to watch the first 3 of 6 debate segments. I checked, and found both segments 5 and 6 there, but no segment 4.

It is the part about Wall Street, approx 25 to 30 minutes. But this is what I get when I search for it:

No results for dem debate part 4 is clinton too close to wall st

Another one of those things that make me go hmmm. Anyone know why that might have been cut?

Better yet, does anyone know where I can watch the entire thing? TIA!

[dreamnightwind]

44. Good question

I watched a Youtube last night by the guy who founded Bernie2016TV (which has been shut down by CNN), he was raging about this very thing. He wants the full uncut debate available to all, not segments that have been sliced and diced by a Time-Warner owned corporation. Apparently that's too much to ask these daze. We live in a dystopian corporate nghtmare.

[PotatoChip]

49. A dystopian corporate nightmare. Sadly, I couldn't agree more.

On a much happier note, I love your GIF! It made me smile. My dog looks alot like that one.

[Lorien]

45. I personally only know one Hillary supporter

everyone else I know is voting for Bernie. The Hillary supporter earns his living developing weapons systems for the military. He also voted for Reagan twice.

[Hepburn]

52. You are one up on me! n/t

[Robbins]

46. It's funny

right on cue a clinton supporter bragging about gravies poll with Clinton having 21 point lead In NH.

Gravies is a republican leaning pollster who didn't have best accuracy In 2012 but as long as it's good for clinton and could
discourage Bernie supporters it's good.

Clinton suddenly opening 21 point lead In NH doesn't sound a bit fishy to some.

I am not going to go off on these ridiculous polls anymore.

[bvar22]

53. In my years at DU, I have never put anyone on "Ignore"....

...until yesterday.
So far, about 10 occupy the list now.
I'll probably add more today.

My DU experience has greatly improved.
Ignore is a good way to separate the wheat from the waste.

[senz]

56. The NYTimes is in H's bag, but they have a semi-critical editorial.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/hillary-clinton-botches-wall-street-questions.html

Comments are now closed, but they heavily favor Bernie. The editorial is as mild as possible but at least the Times acknowledged her gaffe.