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Last night on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, Mr. O'Donnell did a great story on Elizabeth Warren. The huge problem with the story is he completely ignored Bernie's declared candidacy.
He stated, when talking about Warren's speech yesterday in California, that she didn't mention, "the only declared candidate in the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton."
It's bad enough that MSNBC is not giving anywhere near the same coverage to Senator Sanders as they do to Clinton, but to completely ignore that he is a declared candidate is too much.
I have been tweeting and writing Chris Hayes, asking why he hasn't done a "Sanders for millennials" like he did for Clinton. Now I will be contacting Lawrence O'Donnell asking that he correct this glaring mistake.
I am really disappointed. I have much respect for Lawrence O'Donnell and am shocked by this. Absolutely no way he doesn't know Senator Sanders is running as a Democrat in the primary
You can leave a comment about the segment here http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/after-fiery-speech--is-sen.-warren-running--447417411531
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Fuck that noise.
safeinOhio
(32,686 posts)the time is coming that Bernie can't be ignored any longer. He does not have the charisma of Warren, however I find his ideas and record much better than hers.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I was shocked at Dean's stance. He's changed and not in a good way.
Sanders is definitely better on record and stance. Warren is a much better orator. But I know that they can both beat Clinton
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marym625
(17,997 posts)You violated SoP big time and are now banned from the group
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I clicked in from the latest page and thought I was in GD until I saw your post.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Especially now.
I will edit the title since the post has more recs than I expected
I see the bright blue subject line and am lured in by those that interest me, but now I feel bad for making you feel like you needed to edit the thread subject.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)HoF, BOG, I dunno about HRC.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Or replies, or I would have put the disclaimer in the subject to start with
marym625
(17,997 posts)It's not a bad idea to make it known
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Every post is negative.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Probably right.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)MSM is once again playing politics. And that is exactly what I wrote on facebook.
marym625
(17,997 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)primary is all about.
Just being putting my two cents in.
Gary 50
(381 posts)you remove the word "lite."
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)But Hillary "needs" to support Wall Street, Monsanto and military contractors,etc.... because she's accepting lots of $$$ from them.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)What money has Hillary accepted from Monsanto? And what's wrong with Monsanto?
eloydude
(376 posts)Roundup contains toxic pesticides that should be banned.
Mosatano is also very fond of manipulating the genetics of plants... hence GMO.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)niyad
(113,323 posts)unless, of course, you forgot the sarcasm thingy.
Rockyj
(538 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)We have a process to select the nominee. There is no reason to short-circuit it, especially if one candidate has it in the bag in the opinion of some.
Should we have just roll over and not had an election when the conventional wisdom has decided?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)You never know. I remember when Dick Gephardt was considered to be a really strong candidate at the outset of the 2008 campaign.
Hillary has not spoken to a member of the press for quite some time. She is not the quickest on her feet as we saw in 2008. Don't take things for granted.
Bernie is really quick on his feet. He knows what he wants to get across and he gets it out there in interview after interview. He is educating voters about our appalling economic inequality and our failing infrastructure as well as the folly of abandoning ourselves to the morbid twitches of our military/industrial complex every time they get the urge to kill, kill, kill.
To be quick on your feet you have to be not only smart but rested, in pretty good health, energetic and focused. I'm not sure that Hillary is. She is placing herself in well controlled situations. That is a problem to watch. She knows that the nomination is hers to lose, and she may lose it. She very well may.
Bernie may be our candidate. If he is, I hope you will support HIM.
Something odd about the fact that Hillary is not talking to the press. She was really, really unaware of what has been going on in the real America, and I think she is realizing it. You do not know whether she will make it through to the general election. Nobody does. Same for all the candidates.
eloydude
(376 posts)because people will be abandoning her in swaths in favor for Bernie..
Certain DU'ers who are very, very rich fail to understand the income inequality issue. They are mostly "I've got mine, so FU" people that do not really belong to the Democratic Party and should be thrown out of here. That is the biggest key for most people.
People do vote with their wallets... if they are empty, and Bernie is honest about where the jobs are, and know how to get them back, then by all fucking means, Bernie should be getting the 99%'s undivided attention, and ignoring Clinton like a red-headed stepchild.
eloydude
(376 posts)She still has her lips firmly embedded on Goldman Sach's tush.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)It didn't look like he even believed what he was saying. I guess he decided to come in from the cold and hope for (expect?) a plum appointment in the HRC administration.
marym625
(17,997 posts)It sure was weird
TBF
(32,062 posts)to run Bernie. The last thing we need is a Hillary vs. Elizabeth cat fight image out there - which is exactly what the republicans will turn it into. Elizabeth is way smarter than many (including Obama) realize. She is newer to Washington and she has power now in the Senate. There is no way she will enter the race unless Hillary withdraws. Bernie is already getting more attention than I thought he would by simply addressing the issues. Every day on social media his team puts up a new issue. They are focused on economics and the loss of jobs in this country over the past few decades that has caused a huge wealth gap and pretty much eradicated our middle class. Bernie's team is hammering that home & it is exactly the thing he needs to do. It is the thing everyone has been talking about individually in their living rooms but politicians never address because they are too busy kissing the asses of large corporations. Bernie's out there saying "we're getting fucked" and that is resonating with people because it's the truth.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The only declared Democratic Primary candidate is Hillary Clinton? Fuck O'Donnell.
I am emailing as well. This is ridiculous.
I am not surprised, but I am pissed.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I really expected better from him
swilton
(5,069 posts)I remember him from the McLaughlin Group although he represented the left - he was always a centrist - to the right of Morton Kondracke and Eleanor Clift.
His academic background as a Harvard trained economist and Staff Director (1993-95) for the Senate Finance Committee suggests to me that his political analysis is from a neo-liberalist lens....and why he would tend to dismiss Sanders....Supporting this theory is that in 1990, he worked as a key legislative aide (1989-95) for Senator Moynihan who, according to Wikepedia, took this controversial position regarding expansion of healthcare coverage for the poor.
"Moynihan broke with orthodox liberal positions of his party on numerous occasions. As chairman of the Senate Finance Committee in the 1990s, he strongly opposed President Bill Clinton's proposal to expand health care coverage to all Americans. Seeking to focus the debate over health insurance on the financing of health care, Moynihan garnered controversy by stating that "there is no health care crisis in this country."
But as a news station that 'should' value objectivity, the news should not be about O'Donnell's personal views...but this is why I value DU, Democracy Now, TRNN, RT, et. al.
marym625
(17,997 posts)eloydude
(376 posts)Then give very little air time to Hillary or the Republicans, from then on.
marym625
(17,997 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)I do still watch Rachel.
Thom Hartman and Free Speech TV is it or me.
The MSM sucks!
marym625
(17,997 posts)I have even less respect for Maddow after her coverage of Baltimore and Freddie Gray's murder. More the protests than the murder
I really did expect more than this from O'Donnell.
swilton
(5,069 posts)by Maddow was what clued me about her...watch out for her. She has a PhD in philosophy from Oxford and she is smart enough to argue that rain falls up. But her message will always be tailor made to support the ruling elites.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)Right after reading the first post.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)And Amy Goodman.
Al Jazeera America is good too
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)It's a technicality, because Sanders is a declared candidate for the Democratic nomination, but O'Donnell is part of the party establishment and probably sees the party affiliation question as an excuse to ignore Bernie.
The Party is a club and Bernie will face a lot of this type of resistance. I'm sure it's no news to him.
marym625
(17,997 posts)So getting off on semantics won't work.
Lawrence O'Donnell has said he is a democratic socialist himself. So this is even more of a blow, IMHO.
You are obviously correct in his selling out. But I am not going to just ignore it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)are you so eager to label him as an outsider? You need to look into what a Democratic Socialist really is. It is a part of the Democratic party.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)I think he's a better Democrat than most, even if he calls himself an Independent. I'm not the one ignoring him.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Here is what it says:
"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are officially in the presidential race. If youre in too, add your name to make sure we elect a Democrat in 2016."
Photo of Bernie, photo of Hillary. If Larry O'Donnell thinks quacks like himself own the Party he's in for a surprise.
http://www.democrats.org/
marym625
(17,997 posts)eloydude
(376 posts)and should be drummed out of the Democratic Party and forced to create a Party called "Centrists - we're just a bunch of assholes who like money but hate Republican social issues"
marym625
(17,997 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)"Do not mention Bernie Sanders - at least not as a serious contender"
The idea must be given that Sanders is a non-viable candidate.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Never did and never will.
And they're going along with it. Makes me ill. M$M SUCKS.
rurallib
(62,416 posts)of a Sanders presidency
Hotler
(11,425 posts)Five bucks says that the word has come down from the top at the shows and they are to ignore Bernie.
marym625
(17,997 posts)"Fives"
But whatever it means, totally agree that M$M has been told to ignore him
Hotler
(11,425 posts)I was afraid that there was something else I was clueless about
Thanks!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)MSNBC are to blame for their own problems. Fence sitters.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I don't know anything about this. Can you link me to something about it?
Thank you
jwirr
(39,215 posts)he was a friend.
marym625
(17,997 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)but could it be that Bernie hasn't "formally" declared his candidacy yet?
Isn't he going to do that on the 26th?
"Mr. Sanders plans to hold a formal campaign kickoff on May 26 in Burlington, Vt."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-for-president.html?_r=0
I know that's kind of splitting hairs, and I'm not defending O'Donnell or others who are ignoring Bernie, but perhaps people like them are waiting for that kickoff?
marym625
(17,997 posts)The kick off is for the campaign, not an announcement. So if that's an excuse any of them want to use, it's just bullshit.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Honestly, I think all corporate-owned media will ignore Bernie, no matter when he formally declares.
Or they'll marginalize him (and more importantly, his message).
marym625
(17,997 posts)That's where we come in. If we keep the message in social media, we can accomplish a great deal
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)I'm not real worried about what the MSM has to say on the subject, I expect that people who connect with Bernie's message won't be O'Donnell watchers for the most part.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Last edited Wed May 20, 2015, 02:14 AM - Edit history (1)
But they are not well informed people. Thanks to M$NBC, they won't.
Unfortunately, too many people are too lazy to do any research. Exactly what MSM counts on.
But yeah, we know better. Wish we could let everyone know. Just have to do our best
elleng
(130,954 posts)people DO split hairs.
bonniebgood
(943 posts)headlines on every show every hour. Yes the word has come down, not to mention Bernie unless
its controversial or a scandal. It made me sick to watch Howard Dean carry the water/pimp/pitch hit for Hillary last night, I guess he thinks he will get into Hillary's cabinet IF she's elected, since Obama ditched him.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Interesting thought on Dean. Made me sick too.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I educate them on what a Democratic Socialist is so when they hear it later he won't seem like the bogeyman. This is what we all expected from corporate media who work to make sure that the only POTUS candidates are already owned by the Plutocrats.
By massing large numbers of volunteers we can get out the word. The PEOPLE have to speak, uh, I mean shout to be heard!
marym625
(17,997 posts)I even turned a call into Verizon about my bill, into a Sanders commercial The guy was genuinely curious and asked some good questions. Said he was writing it down. Evidently was because he went to the website while we were talking and asked why he couldn't find anything but to contribute.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)May mean something, maybe not. Why would he spread such articles unless he simply doesn't think Sanders can cut it? And maybe that's why he ignored his declared candidacy as a Democrat.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I missed those. Thanks for the information!
DJ13
(23,671 posts)He has long been an insider in DC political circles.
They dont like Bernie.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Don't have a Facebook account though.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank you!
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Unless you run Against the candidate I'm supporting...that is
I haven't really been watching any "news" programming for the past few week...I'll catch a clip of someone saying something sometimes....but last night I decided to see what they're talking abnout...Doom, Gloom, Fear and stuff...and I caught that too...then I switched channels. I'm kinda sick of it. Hayes show looks more like tabloid style "news" now....I recorded his show. It took me less than 6 mins to ff, review interesting (to me) content & delete.
Whats his name on one of the shows....Rich, I think it was....refused to even mention Bernies name when affirming for us all...It's GONNA Be HRC! Wasn't that nice of him?
I think it might work a little like this: MSM is exposing themselves just like the wall street wing...and I'm good with it. More people need to be aware.
Note how they Include ALL GOP hopefuls...and otherwise mention Only Clinton for the Dems. Lining up the field in our minds so we don't think outside the box...our comfort zones. to dare to consider Anything/Anyone else but Following Their Guide They've "scripted" on "our" behalf.
Isn't that nice of them to take All the work out of Thinking, for us?
Frankly I don't care what M$NBC or any of the rest of them do anymore. They're NOT talking about News. They're opining about current events with a bunch of celebrities......from politics, Hollywood, wall street, CEO's, Authors of "stuff" etc....
So, why waste the time, unless one is really interested In someone's opinion (corp views) because News used to Informative and served a purpose For the people...there is nothing to learn from the remnants of what News used to be.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But many people do still believe they're getting "real news" from these shows. So I watch to try and keep them honest. At the very least, I will call them out on it.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Just obsessive
fredamae
(4,458 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)always includes a corporate agenda tucked in underneath.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)And stopped watching him...again.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Silly me
tomsaiditagain
(105 posts)He only preaches to his choir.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Though he seems to be trying to get rid of those
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's safe for them to use Warren as a foil for chatter and drama because Warren isn't an eminent threat.
Were they to give Sanders airtime, it would be more of a problem.
Let's see what happens after Sanders' official announcement.
Thanks for the posts and for writing the letters!
marym625
(17,997 posts)After the last few days, I'm not so sure about that.
I think the one big mistake that Sanders has made is not having ANYTHING on his website but the ability to contribute or volunteer. He should, minimally, have a link to positions.
Thank you too!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)May 26?
marym625
(17,997 posts)Don't doubt it at all
ellennelle
(614 posts)and let each and every member - rachel, lawrence, ed, phil griffin - know it unequivocally.
the only member of that team who's interviewed bernie, as far as i know, is chris hayes.
so sad these folks have become such shills. and damn, i hate howard dean's getting in bed with the clinton's. so sad. and he's from VT too!
marym625
(17,997 posts)Rachel Maddow did a 3 minute interview right after he declared. (I don't actually know how long the interview was - it was really short)
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)I believe he's done Chris Hayes show recently too.
marym625
(17,997 posts)And since then, they act like he doesn't exist
kracer20
(199 posts)Pretty sure it was the day he announced. I haven't seen many episodes since, so can't say if Ed is still talking about him or not.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Ed is in trouble so I would not be the least bit surprised the he will go the way of KO.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)gilligan
(194 posts)Yep. Saw the show myself and was very disappointed that Lawrence did not mention Bernie. To bad for America!
marym625
(17,997 posts)Just shows how naive I can be
NikolaC
(1,276 posts)I watched M$NBC a couple of weeks ago and noticed that not one of the hosts mentioned Bernie at all when it came to talking about the candidates and their position on a particular issue at the time. They mentioned Hillary, Warren and DeBlasio's joint project and all of the Republican clown car candidates, but no Bernie, even though he had already declared his candidacy. One by one, each host that I used to admire and respect seemed to go out of their way not to mention Bernie at all.
Listening to SiriusXM Progress during the day, the only host that mentions him seriously is Thom Hartman, the others downplay Senator Sanders as someone who does not stand a chance, or they ignore him entirely. One host in particular got into it with a caller when they asked both the host and Markos why they weren't taking Bernie seriously. Forget the fact that Bernie stands for a lot of the issues that they themselves have advocated for in the past and quite vocally at that.
It's as though the media are doing to Bernie what they did to Kucinich, but even worse since it seems as though they are ignoring Senator Sanders completely. I guess that the plan is to act as though he is not in the race and, eventually, he and his followers will get discouraged, go away and drop out.
marym625
(17,997 posts)So, we can't let them ignore him.
Actually, this tactic shows he has an excellent chance IMHO
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)If this was not you I would think this was not sarcastic.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)But it's you. That's good enough for me
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The whole discussion this morning comparing Jeb and Hillary kept talking about how Jeb has to campaign against dozens of Republican competitors, but Hillary has no incentive to talk to the media because she has 'no competition'.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Not like Sanders has few supporters. They just want to keep him away because they know he's the better candidate
JEB
(4,748 posts)Media coverage is heavily tilted toward the oligarch's preselected candidates.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Too bad Hillary supporters don't understand that
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I think its a huge mistake for the msm to already pick the dem nominee. Bernie is a legit candidate and should get coverage, he's got some great ideas that I think will attract voters. Anything could happen between now and the nomination. If Hillary runs a bad campaign or for what ever reason drops out, I want dems to have an alternative. While I prefer Hillary who knows Bernie could change my mind but he has to be given a fair shot.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I respect that. And I thank you for your reply
valerief
(53,235 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)We'll have to fix that
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)He may have changed I don't know I don't watch any pundits shows unless it's Rachel.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Not the same as she was back in the Air America radio days.
Sad.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)and then I will wait and watch the video clip.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Just to keep tabs on what they say. Or more accurately, what they don't say
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Corporations will mount an all out assault on Bernie if they feel threatened by the truth.
And they do feel threatened by the truth.
Corporate behavior has gotten so bad in recent years that we should fill the prisons with these assholes.
marym625
(17,997 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)MSNBC are a corporation. Who do you think they will support??? Lol!
marym625
(17,997 posts)I am not surprised they're not supporting him. I am not surprised they're pulling the corporate stand. I am surprised at the outright, blatant lie, "the ONLY declared candidate, Hillary Clinton" and the emphasis on "only" was his
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Not worth the disappointment.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I started watching again just for this kind of thing.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Socialist. So, barring hanky panky, one would assume that Mr. O'Donnell would find a Democratic Socialist to be the closest thing the Democratic Party is offering for President for 2016. No?
Then again, he produced the West Wing with DLCers DeeDee Myers and Gene Sperling as consultants.
Lately, I've noticed a lot of people whom I, simply a traditional Democrat, consider to be well to my right claiming to be either socialists or Democratic Socialists. If you believe them, it gets confusing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)politics.
I do agree that Bernie's supporters will have to keep an eye on the Corporate Media who are going to be pushing Corporate Candidates and trying to marginalize the people's choices as they have been doing since six Corporations bought our media after Clinton deregulated it.
Everyone should tweet this OP so it gets around the internet. Let them see how many supporters Bernie has and how that support is growing by the day.
Thanks for keeping tabs on the useless Media Mary.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Don't know how I missed this.
He has paid more attention since this post, but not enough with enough respect, IMHO.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)forthcoming, and if he is not removed from his position, it ill leave little doubt that liberals are not welcome in this party and make it all the more important to fight as hard as possible to get our party out of the hands of Corporatists.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I will look it up after work.
Thanks!