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nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:35 PM Nov 2015

The 1st Democratic Debate and HRC "won" meme.

Special thanks to the African-Americans For Bernie Sanders FB page for leading me on an interesting Tuesday afternoon search.



That graphic lead me to Google, which lead me to this one among many efforts to excuse away (or spin) the obvious:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/14/9530799/focus-groups-democratic-debate

Political reporters and pundits think Hillary Clinton won the first Democratic presidential debate. The focus groups called it for Bernie Sanders. But the reason for the split should be discouraging for fans of either candidate.

It wasn't because of Bernie's policy ideas but because of his demeanor: he was "strong," "direct," and "powerful," where Clinton was "too tame," focus group members said. This was true across the board. CNN's panel of undecided voters in Nevada, Fox News's group of Florida Democrats facilitated by pollster Frank Luntz; Fusion's focus group of millennial voters in Miami: All went strongly for Bernie, and style was the number one reason.


So I did a little more googling and found the videos of three focus groups; CNN, Fox and Fusion (age groups 18-34)...more about Fusion after the video links. If you haven't seen them (which I had not) - check them out.


CNN




FOX





Fusion Focus



After Fusion's Focus Group there is a very enlightening continuation which highlights the lack of any real physical outreach from ANY of the Democratic primary candidates INCLUDING HRC. Please get a cuppa coffee or tea and watch it through to the end. It'll take about an hour and you won't regret it. It may even give someone on/in Bernie's camp an idea or two or three.

Back to who really won...

First thing I notice among ALL the focus groups was that Bernie Sanders won, but many already knew that. It was the pundits themselves that ignored or lessened the results of the focus groups. I guess these people forget these are real live people who will be voting.

All this to say is keep plugging away!! The impossible is NOT as impossible as some would have you, me, us believe!




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The 1st Democratic Debate and HRC "won" meme. (Original Post) nc4bo Nov 2015 OP
Cross post this in GD-P please pinebox Nov 2015 #1
KK will do for what it's worth. nc4bo Nov 2015 #10
K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #2
All that most people hear is the clatter of the nodding heads leveymg Nov 2015 #3
The media calls the winner fbc Nov 2015 #4
Actually it hasn't been media's choice lately arikara Nov 2015 #9
Hillary will tell Wall Street to "cut it out" fbc Nov 2015 #5
No, but she might tell NASDAQ, which has nothing thereismore Nov 2015 #6
Personally... SoapBox Nov 2015 #7
Nope.... daleanime Nov 2015 #8
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #11

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
10. KK will do for what it's worth.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

I predict The Swarm shall descend like a cloud of locusts.

Some won't even watch what the folks in the Fusion Focus' Iowa's Other Side segment have to say. Their message hits all politicians not just Bernie.



arikara

(5,562 posts)
9. Actually it hasn't been media's choice lately
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

at least in Canada. Look at the Alberta election where NDP won, and the Canada federal with the underdog Trudeau winning. Keep this in mind, if it can happen in Alberta, it can happen anywhere. People are that fed up.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
5. Hillary will tell Wall Street to "cut it out"
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:23 PM
Nov 2015

That is the moment when Hillary lost the debate.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. Personally...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

I can no longer listen to her voice...it irritates the crap out of me.

The more I have learned, the more I feel that she seems arrogant, like she is entitled to this and doesn't like answering questions.

Just me.

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