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Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:11 PM Oct 2015

Where can Bernie improve for the next debate?

I think the one area I hope he improves on is his presentation on his foreign policy stands. He is so incredibly on target with his articulation of his domestic policies -- I think he now needs to bring that clarity and verbal ease to the international issues.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

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stone space

(6,498 posts)
2. He can evolve a bit faster on guns. I'd rather see him leading than following.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

It is good to see him being pulled to the left on this, though.



Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. I want him to specifically bring up the Campaign Zero list of issues
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:23 PM
Oct 2015

and step through them showing how he plans to address them. He and O'Malley are pretty similar there, but if he gets to it first, it leaves Clinton scrambling to be another 'me too'.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
5. His closing statement needs to "graciously capture the moment" more, kind of like O'Malley did
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:30 PM
Oct 2015

rather than re-stating his campaign stump speech talking points, that he's already
said numerous times.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
6. Two things.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

1) he was a bit windbag-ish. It's stupid, but the media only cares what you can say in five seconds or less. he needs to come up with a little more "snap."

2) On a similar note, he needs a little variety in his message. He doesn't need to change what he's saying, he just needs to tinker with the proportions a little. Absolutely, the 0.5% is running the country into the ground. It's #1 priority. But I'm getting why there are people who think it's all he cares about - I know it's not, we all do. He needs to flex some of those other issues he's strong on, give them center stage for a debate or two.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
8. Yes, he does tend to speak in paragraphs
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

It would help if he'd come up with a few "sound bites" to include in his comments. The remark about "...your damn emails" was great and got a lot of play.

Sadly, it's the quips that get air time.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
10. I doubt he'll ever change that.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:49 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie is all about the substance not the style. Always has been. It's simultaneously one of his greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses as a candidate. It's what gives him his appeal as an honest no nonsense person. But it also makes him overly focused and long winded at times. I think a small part of why Bernie appeals so much to me is his temperament and mindset match so closely to mine. I hate wasting time on superficial nonsense.


Hillary is the opposite as a campaigner. She can dance around any issue without giving a real answer and look good doing it. The strategy works because the media rarely calls her on the lack of substance. Fortunately social media is making it harder and harder to get away with this strategy.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
9. Needs much greater succinctness on guns
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:04 PM
Oct 2015

Clearer statements on foreign policy too--esp about how expensive imperialism is.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
14. I'd suggest memorizing the phrase "poinson pill" for talking about complex legislation.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

I voted against it, even though it had some good provisions, because it had a poison pill that ruined the whole thing.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
7. He should smile more often.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie is hands down the best person running, but he is unfortunately afflicted with rbf. It makes him look grumpy -- which he is not.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
15. There are a couple of reasons to talk about "middle class"
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:13 PM
Oct 2015

rather than the poor or social class generally. One is political -- most Americans consider themselves middle class or lower middle class, so it's a broadly inclusive term. If you care about the middle class, you pretty much care about everyone. It's almost a code word. The other is economic -- societies with a large middle class, as opposed to a rich/poor divide, tend to be stable with happier people, less crime and greater citizen participation. In gutting the middle class, rightwingers have weakened America. So we really do need to build up a strong, healthy middle class, and to do that, the government should actively favor average working Americans over the very rich via trade laws that encourage domestic manufacturing, unions, affordable education, living wage, etc.

Back in the 1960s when we had a large, flourishing middle class, liberal politicians talked about helping the poor. Bernie does mention the poor, but he keeps it within the context of building up the middle class. Trickle-down economics and conservative talk radio changed the public understanding of the poor from "victims" to "lazy takers" or even "losers."

TBF

(32,106 posts)
16. But do we even have a middle class?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:21 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think we do - unless "middle class" is truly the people making $8/hr ... it's gone otherwise. We now have very wealthy (and the folks that service them directly -VPs, medical, legal) and poor. Maybe people like to think of themselves as more well off than they are. It's more of that "American dream" myth and isn't happening in real life. The jobs that created the middle class lifestyle (which is what people really aspire to) are long gone.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. I like where Bernie is on foreign policy. I like it when he emphasizes that Saudi Arabia should
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:06 AM
Oct 2015

shoulder the burden of a ground war. I think that will resonate with the American people.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
19. +1.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:09 AM
Oct 2015

We're not making things better for the people in the Middle East. We're not making things better for us. So why do we go on pouring money and lives down a rathole?

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