Bernie Sanders Warns That The Republican Crazy May Get Worse Without John Boehner Around

[yuiyoshida]

Bernie Sanders said that the demise of John Boehner demonstrates how far to the right Republicans have drifted, and the Democratic presidential candidate warned that the right-wing crazy may get worse.

In a statement, Sen. Sanders said, “It appears that even a very conservative speaker like John Boehner is unable to control the extreme right-wing drift of Republicans in the House. This is a party whose ideology is way out of touch with the American people. Without Boehner, it may get even worse.”

Sanders is correct. Things are likely to get worse before they get better when it comes to dealing with the Republicans. If the GOP goes all in on the insanity, Democrats are in for a real challenge.

The Republican Party is so far out of touch with the rest of the country that they were willing to toss Boehner out on his ear because he was not willing to shut down the government in order to provoke a confrontation with President Obama on Planned Parenthood.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/25/bernie-sanders-warns-republican-crazy-worse-john-boehner.html

[ZM90]

1. I dread whoever replaces Boehner as speaker....

[aspirant]

2. The good thing

is we now have a solid progressive voice in Bernie that the revolution is listening to.

He is a force and we don't have all our eggs in the Obama basket.

Bernie says he can't do it without us so it's time we have his back on this budget deal.

[Capt.Rocky300]

3. Taking a longer view of this......

If the Republicans install one of the cranks from the Tea Party, their antics may draw more of the attention of the country and help real Democrats in the 2016 election. Trying to make lemonade here.

[jeff47]

4. And keep in mind, if a budget (or CR) doesn't pass next week, Food Stamps are cut off. (nt)

[aspirant]

5. ....and the military too

I hope Bernie proposes LOUDLY a bill that all members of Congress will cease to be paid when the government shuts down.

All must suffer, not just a selected few.

If government is shut down why isn't everything, including private contracts cut off. This aspect of the rigged game must be exposed and included in Bernie's stump speeches.

[jeff47]

6. Unfortunately, it's not constitutional to cut off salaries for Congress.

Came up the last two times there was a shutdown.

If government is shut down why isn't everything, including private contracts cut off.

They are.

Or more accurately, any new payments are cut off, and if the contract involves work in a government facility, it is cut off, and no new contracts can be awarded.

But existing, already-paid contracts continue - the check has already been cashed by the contractor.

[aspirant]

8. Some help here

where in the Constitution does it say that if the government shuts down because of an unpassed budget that all 3 branches of government are still paid?

Why isn't it included in governmental contracts that if the government shuts down, all monies paid out in advance will be returned prorated to the shutdown date. Wouldn't this be a nice corporate deterrent to shutdowns?

[BumRushDaShow]

12. In Article I Sect. 9

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

So any salaries or contracts funded by appropriations cease (where the term "appropriations" has a specific legal meaning). Any salaries or contracts funded separately by law (outside of the "appropriations process&quot are exempt. For example, user fees that are provided by industry for government services are not considered funding that is part of "appropriations". And for Congress -

Section. 6.

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Plus the 27th Amendment states -

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxvii

Thus technically, Congress doesn't get paid out of "appropriations" and a sitting Congress can't really mess with their own salaries anyway in terms of the change applying to them right away, regardless of any lapse, as such would not be able to go into effect until the next Congress is seated.

So basically - anything funded by appropriations is shut down if no funding has been enacted as part of the appropriations process and anything funded by a law outside of the appropriations process (e.g., you saw some of that happen during the last shutdown when the GOP loons were cherry-picking adding funding back to certain parts of the government after the outcry) is exempt from an appropriations lapse and personnel can continue to work.

[aspirant]

15. Thanks

I remember now the legislation to add funding back, but I also remember something about a trillion dollar coin.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Heh

Krugman's rant about even considering such.

[Trajan]

7. It's time for the liberal progressives to step up and be counted

This is a golden opportunity - The extremist wackos are running government, and the silly antics are gonna drag that party down ...

And here we are, with a strong liberal candidate, hitting all the right buttons and striking the right chords with the American electorate, looking at building a huge wave to sweep the extremist GOP right out of congress just as Bernie assumes the office of POTUS ....

A guy can dream, right?

It could be real ... But not with milquetoast at the wheel ... more of the same ole same ole won't cut it ...

The candidate needs to have extraordinary drawing power to win over unexpected converts ... One who wakes up the electorate and shows the way forward ...

They're is only one candidate who fits that mold ...

[YOHABLO]

9. If we could just get people to go out and vote. We have so many that are disengaged w/ politics.

[chknltl]

10. He walked a tightrope...

...held on one side by the corporatists that paid for him to get elected and the tea baggers that voted for him. With both parties giving that rope a good shake there was no place for Boehner to go but down. I suspect this is a huge problem for all Republican politicians.

[Duval]

13. Boehner was willing

to compromise, at times. Harry Reid said something like : There goes the party of Eisenhower and Reagan. Will we see even more push from the right wing crazies? Frankly, I felt compassion for Boehner.

[Enthusiast]

11. Kicked and recommended!

[LongTomH]

14. Batten down the hatches crew - we're heading into a shitstorm of crazy!!!!!

[dae]

17. +1 LongTomH, just in time for Halloween!

[yuiyoshida]

19. at least the candy corn is ready!

[Demeter]

18. That's what I think--but NPR had some wag saying that throwing out Boehner may keep them

from shutting down the government.

I would think it far more likely that chasing Boehner away inspires more depravity, including especially another government shutdown...because the Tea Party doesn't care for government or about governing. Dogs in the manger, that's all they are. Can't eat the hay, but won't let the cattle at it.

And I think Boehner demonstrated disgraceful cowardice. That he would rather run away than stay in power, even if it meant taking Democratic help, says a lot.

[yuiyoshida]

20. Maybe being in that position just got in the way

of his drinking time.