Bernie gets ecstatic cheers; HRC hands out noisemaker sticks;

[Divernan]

and the photo at the link shows HRC staffers/supporters with hand held bullhorn/megaphone amplifiers/loudspeakers.

Hey, Hillary don't need no ecstatic real world cheers from thousands and thousands of unpaid supporters! She can buy a dozen bullhorns and megaphones to electronically enhance faux support. Works so well when only a few hundred show up at one of her "rallies".

Oh, those Clintons! They just get slicker with every passing year!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-40w-Handheld-Megaphone-Loud-Speaker-Bull-Horn-Crowd-Control-Event-Sound-Mic-/150971139245?hash=item232694c4ad

The noisemaker sticks are in the category of inflatable toys - wonder if Bill came up with that suggestion?

http://www.spiritline.com/spirit-supplies/school-spirit-gear/sports-noisemakers/spirit-sticks/49952?utm_campaign=School%20Spirit&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=noisemaker%20sticks&StumpsTrackID=SLPERPS,slps&utm_campaign=School%20Spirit&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=noisemaker%20sticks&StumpsTrackID=SLPERPS,slps

It was Mr. Sanders, speaking after Mrs. Clinton at the state party’s annual convention here, who received more ecstatic cheers from the crowd, as he denounced big banks, trade deals, tax breaks for the wealthy and “super PACs” like the one supporting Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy.

“Well, it certainly sounds like some people are ready for a political revolution,” Mr. Sanders said to shouts of “We love you, Bernie!”

While Mrs. Clinton received an enthusiastic reception, with people beating inflatable noisemaker sticks that her well-financed campaign passed out, the ovation for Mr. Sanders was striking because he is not a party member (he is a democratic socialist) and has far fewer endorsements than Mrs. Clinton from members of the state political apparatus. The convention drew about 1,000 delegates, many of them traditional politicians and elected officials not unlike Mrs. Clinton, and 3,000 other participants, many of them longtime avowed liberals like Mr. Sanders.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-in-own-ways-show-pull-at-new-hampshire-convention.html?_r=0

[MisterP]

1. reality and metaphor sure are starting to melt into one another

[SusanaMontana41]

18. Yessir. They shore are. eom

[CAG]

2. Another mature argument to convince DUers not to vote for the candidate the OPer doesn't like....

Hey, she used NOISEMAKER STICKS! What a fascist, I think I'll vote for the other candidate who HASN'T used noisemaker sticks yet.

[pocoloco]

3. Wow!

What kind of batteries do your NOISEMAKER STICKS run on??

...and how many?

[SylviaD]

4. I find it disheartening...

..that so many here at DU are ready, willing, and able to trash the Clintons unmercifully.

What about loyalty? Don't any of you remember the amazing days of the Clinton presidency, days of economic boom and improving lives for the poor and the middle class? Especially after the horrendous Reagan and Bush I years?

None of that counts anymore, right? What have you done for me lately, right? It's sickening to me.

Root for whichever candidate you like, but why the hatred and vitriol toward Hillary and the Clintons in general?

[cantbeserious]

10. WJC Sold Out The American People To Wall Street - HRC Will Do The Same

eom

[JDPriestly]

12. Days of Greenspan at the Fed?

Even he admitted that his economic theories did not work out well in the end.

That was the dot-com boom which led to the housing boom which led to the crash.

We need a fair economy, not a phony economy.

In the midst of the Clinton dot-com boom, people were borrowing, borrowing, borrowing to try to pay for the lifestyle they thought they were earning.

We need an economy that works for everyone, not just for Wall Street.

Clinton signed NAFTA -- which led to the loss of so many jobs in this country.

Some of the reasons we support Bernie -- the mistakes Bill Clinton made.

[SylviaD]

15. I have no problem with your candidate...

...why do you seem to have such a problem with mine?

We can disagree without the vitriol. We are both Democrats and both our chosen candidates are Democrats.

[JDPriestly]

21. Your candidate represents a sick status quo.

What do you think a primary is about.

People loving the candidate they are not going tto vote for?

I do not hate Hillary. I just don't want her to win the primary.

Hillary is the Citizens United candidate.

I want to do away with Citizens United and I do not want to see my party nominate a candidate who relies on corporate money to get elected. That is what Hillary is doing.

What do you have against vitriol?

That it is bitter?

In my experience a lot of Americans are sleeping on the streets and that makes me bitter. That became acute in the 1980s with Reagan.

I want a candidate who will care about the middle class and the poor. If the Clintons and if Hillary were those candidates, that candidate, Bill would have done far more about the problem when he was president.

I am not sleeping on the streets. I am not homeless. But in Los Angeles, so many people are. And now we are moving into winter. Bill Clinton did amazingly little about homelessness. Obama is not doing much more.

The homeless are the symbol of the economic inequality that Bernie is talking about. We are a rich country. We should not have so many homeless people.

And in 2008, the Democrats should have put conditions on the bail-outs of the banks that would have protected homeowners who were the victims of the fraud scheme perpetuated by the banks and by Wall Street. They did not.

Bernie would have.

Don't take it personally. It's not about you. It's about the state of our country.

I strongly oppose the TPP and I want a far more aggressive policy, group of policies on protecting the environment.

This is not a time to waste words on niceties. The fate of our children and grandchildren is at stake. This election will perhaps be our last chance to right our failing economy and save our environment or at least what is left of it.

Hillary is just not energetic enough on any of the issues that matter to me and my family.

[Le Taz Hot]

19. First off, you're in the Bernie Sanders Group.

Secondly, yes, I do remember the Clinton years. Welfare "reform" that kicked millions of families off the welfare rolls, eliminating Glass-Steagall that allowed the banks to collapse in 2008, Don't Ask Don't Tell, a horrendously botched effort at trying to satisfy gays and bigots while satisfying neither, the budget that was "balanced" only by adding in Social Security monies that does NOT belong to the federal government, NAFTA, the Republican triangulation . . . Oh, yes, I remember the Clinton years well. And we sure as hell don't need Clinton Part II.

THIS is why I detest political parties, it produces fucking Party robots, incapable or unwilling to think independently. It's a big fucking football game to you guys.

[SusanaMontana41]

27. KaBOOM.

Well said.

[sabrina 1]

23. What we don't forget now is how the Clinton administrations did what Repub presidents just couldn't

get done, Deregulated Wall St which led to the economic meltdown that ordinary people are still suffering from and will be for a long, long time.

They were warned not to do this, by people like Brooksley Born eg, but Clinton thought more of people like Greenspan, a moron who is directly responsible, due to his Ayn Rand cult like affiliations, for the destructiong of the US economy.

We also remember that while we were all busy defending Clinton from people like David Brock eg, he was signing laws that most Dems normally spent their time FIGHTING.

I was a Clinton defender for so long and admit to being so naive I ignored the policies his admin was putting into place.

Deregulation of the media, of Wall St, the horrific wet dream of the Heritage Foundation, the Welfare Reform bill, DADT, among other policies we ignored as we were placed in a position of trying to save a Democratic Presidency from the assault of the Far Right.

The Clinton Admin was the beginning of the implementation of the DLC/Third Way neo-liberal policies that have so devastated the poor and the working class of this country.

As a fierce defender of the Clintons it was difficult for me to let go of my illusions but first and foremost for me, is this country so personalities and party loyalty are no longer what cause me to decide who I want to lead this country.

[hedda_foil]

37. I did the same thing, Sabrina, and really regret my naivete.

I remember being angry about Clinton's. wholesale destruction of the welfare program, scared about the loss of Glass Steagall, which I recalled from Poli-sci 101. But I remained totally supportive of him and his administration. I don't get too upset about.the Hillary bunch because they're reacting the same exact way as I did to Bill.

[sabrina 1]

40. I know, I was such a defender, but looking back it was more of a reaction to the sheer evil

of the far right in their attempts to derail a president. Hillary's campaign would do well to remember how disgusted a majority of Americans became with the likes of David Brock and his cohorts to the point of ignoring things we should not have ignored.

Her current alignment with Brock is a shock to many people, including me to be honest. I remember the Clintons refusing to acknowledge is way too late apology for his smarmy, despicable dirty tricks. And to see him now doing it FOR Hillary, simply makes me ill.

Most of us have basic standards and people do not like politicians who are willing to align themselves with ANYONE in order to win.

If the far right had stayed out of the whole situation, it's likely many Dems would have been paying far more attention to what Clinton was signing into law, than feeling the need to defend him against THEM. And who knows how different things might have been if the focus had been it ought to have been.

[smokey nj]

24. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[frylock]

5. It was a contrast between grassroots and manufactured support.

[senz]

9. Too nuanced, frylock. Too nuanced.

[smokey nj]

26. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[wolfie001]

6. Oh please! Is this necessary?

[zentrum]

7. She's always transparent

……in an opaque kind of way.

[A Simple Game]

11. It shouldn't have, I know it shouldn't have, but that made perfect sense to me. n/t

[zentrum]

16. It's Hillary-think!

[freedom fighter jh]

8. I don't know what they mean when they say Bernie isn't a party member.

He lives in a state where you don't register by party.

He was elected to the Senate as an independent, but he's running for president as a Democrat. He has said he is doing what the Democratic Party tells him he has to do to run as a Democrat. I don't know what else one is supposed to do to become a "party member."

[JDPriestly]

14. He caucused with the Democrats in Congress for over 20 years.

He votes with the Democrats. He was the ranking member of a committee.

He is more of a Democrat than some of the conservacrats.

[freedom fighter jh]

20. Yes he is.

He stands up for Democratic values. In the end that is what I care about.

[senz]

13. The Hillary supporters with slick signs and bullhorns,

as shown at the link, remind me of early Tea Party rallies back ~2009 when the Tea Partiers were transported by Dick Armey's FreedomWorks in special tea party buses with professional signs. And Fox News rally organizers... ah, very astroturf, it was...

[Divernan]

28. HillaryYouth: uniformed, disciplined & lined up outside at 4 a.m.

First, thanks to all those who took the time to respond to the kumbayah, hand-wringing, "Oh-can't we-all-just-get-along?" true believer who ignored the fact that this is the Bernie Sanders group.

Second, please go back to the New York Times link in the OP and take a look at the Clinton aides/supporters in the photo there. Wearing identical uniforms, carrying matching bullhorns, banners and bizarrely stacked towers of signs - all carefully, professionally made with the same, matching campaign logo. All those corporate campaign donations pay for really classy gear!

Third, consider the fact that these young aides were in place at their assigned posts outside the arena AT FOUR FRIGGING A.M. - we're not talking the likes of Bernie's audiences at rallies - of all assorted ages, each dressed as they damned well pleased, including a motley assortment of T-shirts they'd paid for themselves, enthusiastically lined up to make sure they got in and got a seat at his rallies. We're talking about a disciplined group (hopefully she's at least paying her interns/employees now) of young aides who weren't lined up to get IN to the arena, but to stand outside the arena - and who must have gotten up at 3 in the morning to be in place waving their sign towers and holding huge banners by 4 a.m.

Clinton's team of supporters and aides arrived outside the arena at 4:00 a.m., lining up along the street with signs as a show of force to the passing cars and other Democratic candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/19/politics/new-hampshire-democrats-hillary-clinton-martin-omalley/index.html

Clearly, the short-lived, spontaneity branch of HRC's campaign organization has been thrown under the bus carrying the alarmingly disciplined but expensively equipped Hillary Youth to rallies. Chilling!

[senz]

31. Can you imagine what her presidency would be like?

Defensive, secretive -- and authoritarian. That is not the America I want to live in.

[Divernan]

32. New national anthem: Corporate profits uber alles!

[senz]

34. True, but this is not the goal of her campaign.

I seriously doubt that she has any values, even corporate values, beyond her own personal ambition, her own ego. I don't think her mind, heart, and soul can reach that far anymore -- if they ever could. The kindest thing I can say about her is that she was irreparably damaged at some point, and I suspect the culprits were the rightwingers who relentlessly tormented her throughout the 90s, combined with the humiliation repeatedly and publicly inflicted on her by her husband. Perhaps her autocratic father began her psychic destruction. Afaic, all of this is terribly sad but it is a fact. I feel sorry for her but even sorrier for the suffering people of this country -- who deserve a far better leader than her. What I would wish for her at this point would be good, solid, effective therapy (nothing wrong with it; it works) and a happy, meaningful, healed and fulfilled life in the private sphere.

[Divernan]

38. Agreed - she's suffered horrific psychological & emotional abuse

A part of her driving ambition may be linked to the feeling, that "If I achieve enough, the people who were/are supposed to love me, protect me and care for me (father/husband) will have to admit that I am and always have been worthy of their love, protection and care."

No wife in the history of the world has suffered as much, as widespread and as lengthy public humiliation and rejection from her spouse as has Hillary. I know that is a sweeping statement, but I challenge anyone to name someone more abused in this manner than Hillary. His serial adultery/philandering started out in Arkansas and ended up under an international spotlight of public ridicule.

I think if she had had a father who raised her with a healthy sense of self-respect and self-worth, she'd have gotten out of that marriage decades ago. As to abuse by her father, the following was posted in the Hillary Clinton group by one of her staunchest supporters, so they cannot be heard to alert on it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110713163

Revealing, and somewhat disturbing: Hillary Clinton Draws Scrappy Determination From a Tough, Combative Father
"As a little girl, if Hillary Rodham forgot to screw the cap back on the toothpaste, her father would toss the tube out the bathroom window. She’d scurry around in the snow-covered evergreen bushes outside their suburban Chicago home to find it and return inside to brush her teeth, reminded, once again, of one of Hugh E. Rodham’s many rules.

When she lagged behind in Miss Metzger’s fourth-grade math class, Mr. Rodham would wake his daughter at dawn to grill her on multiplication tables. When she brought home an A, he would sneer: 'You must go to a pretty easy school.'

Mrs. Clinton has made the struggles of her mother, Dorothy Rodham, a central part of her 2016 campaign’s message, and has repeatedly described Mrs. Rodham’s life story to crowds around the country. But her father, whom Mrs. Clinton rarely talks about publicly, exerted an equally powerful, if sometimes bruising, influence on the woman who wants to become the first female president.

The brusque son of an English immigrant and a coal miner’s daughter in Scranton, Pa., Mr. Rodham, for most of his life, harbored prejudices against blacks, Catholics and anyone else not like him. He hurled biting sarcasm at his wife and only daughter and spanked, at times excessively, his three children to keep them in line, according to interviews with friends and a review of documents, Mrs. Clinton’s writings and former President Bill Clinton’s memoir."

http://t.co/LxfS5ft51H via NYTimes

[BuelahWitch]

41. I didn't know that about her Dad

He sounds like one sick MoFo.

[merrily]

35. Isn't that the America in which you live now?

FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, militarized police, cameras on every other street corner?

[senz]

39. It has certainly been moving in that direction.

[MindfulOne]

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Yup, that's what they're for!

[SusanaMontana41]

25. Welcome to DU!

[SusanaMontana41]

22. “What’s more important, driving the contrast with Republicans or arguing about debates?”

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“Let’s focus on our task at hand.”

WHOA.

Ms. Wasserman Schultz, if you have to shout down members of your own political party to tell them what is best for them, not only are you not a Democrat, you are not a democrat.

You don't get to tell me what's important to me.

Your hubris is Exhibit A why Hillary Clinton will not get my vote.

[840high]

29. ...+1

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. the great equalizer for Hillary fans

?1415900779

[merrily]

36. BOOM!