I just trash canned my first group ever.

[haikugal]

I ran across a video of West addressing the criticisms of his remarks about Obama and thought some in the AA forum might want to hear what he had to say in his own defense or by way of explanation. I was attacked and blocked from the group. Called a liar etc. So, WOW...I didn't know how badly that would go.

I can't link to my post because I just trashed the group so I don't ever go there by mistake.

Damn...

[villager]

1. You were called a liar because you posted a video of someone speaking in their own words?

[haikugal]

2. Yes.

On edit...I was called a liar because when I posted it (you can see it) I said I didn't intend any disrespect and hoped it might be something to discuss.

I was told I was a liar and a disruptor, basically.

[99th_Monkey]

9. Wow. Thanks for the heads-up

I knew things could get nasty there, but didn't realize the extent of it.

Sorry that happened to you. That can't have been fun to go through.

[haikugal]

15. Thanks..very unpleasant.

You should go and look as your name was listed...they seem to think I'm in cahoots with someone...bizarre.

[99th_Monkey]

22. do you recall the name of the thread? I'm looking but not sure what to look for. -nt-

[haikugal]

23. It's the only thread by me, apparently. Search by my user name in the AA group I'm thinking.

[99th_Monkey]

24. Will do. Thanks again. nt

[haikugal]

25. You made me think...sorry brain not working...

Here it is...in 'my posts' I found it, of course! LOL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118726404

[Enthusiast]

57. I am so glad I listened to that. I feel enriched by Cornel's words.

I'm glad he mentioned the Delfonics.

[haikugal]

71. He always makes me smile...

There is something so appealing about gap toothed people, I have a thing I guess. West is so good at looking at the connections and bringing them together to illustrate his point. He's very good with music....

I'm glad you liked it.

[Enthusiast]

50. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I had a very similar experience.

[haikugal]

72. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that Enthusiast...you're good people...

Does this mean we're commiserating because our little privileged fee fee's are hurt?

Oh, Hell NO!

[jalan48]

3. I was banned from their group for simply asking questions.

They don't like to be challenged-they want yes people only.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

46. I got banned for trying (I guess it didn't work) to show support.

I will be the first to admit I'm not AA and therefore can't speak with any authority int AA community, but I can speak for myself. Seems I can't unless I represent all white people including the KKK an God knows.

[haikugal]

48. Damn your eyes Elmer...

Very strange things are happening but we must continue to come together. Not everyone is willing or able.

You don't think it has to do with our Bernie banners and that horrible letter do you?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

85. Reading thru this thread I'm convinced

it was my Bernie banner.

[SusanaMontana41]

96. Do we have to be soldiers to hate wars? n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

97. Apparently to some here.

[840high]

49. You are so right. I avoid

that group. I like groups where u can have discussion not rah rah's!

[leftcoastmountains]

4. Social media and people in general

are just bizarre. And that's all I'm going to say!

[haikugal]

5. Wise.

[bluedigger]

6. I trashed Cooking & Baking long ago.

They're just a bunch of zealots.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

20. But that's where I post all my Lake Wobegonesque monologues about

cleaning brick pathways and pruning raspberries! You've been missing those all this time?

[bluedigger]

21. I wouldn't say "missing".

[Enthusiast]

63. I encountered a guy the other day that didn't put celery in his Jambalaya.

OMG! I was outraged!

[haikugal]

73. May as well leave out the Crawdads! Imagine!

[senz]

7. Really, really, really sorry to learn that the group has been co-opted

by, apparently, Hillary hardliners. Thank God they don't represent AAs all over the country. But I hate what's being done to people here on DU.

So sorry you experienced that, haikugal. Have you seen this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=589695

It's incredible. It's like they're casting about for straws.

[haikugal]

16. Thank You so much.

I asked them if they spoke for all AA's or just the AA's that hate Brother West...(or something to that effect, I was shocked)...

I'll check your link now. Thanks again.

On edit...they're losing and they know it. Most AA's are brighter than they are giving them credit for. How insulting!

[notadmblnd]

27. I'll let you in on a little secret

for the most part it is not the POC who are banning people.

[haikugal]

28. No?! OMG....that's really FU!

How do you know that?

[artislife]

61. I am sadder each day realizing how few PoCs

there really are....


I know a few of the Bernie PoCs have stepped away, as well.

[haikugal]

66. Well, I know from your recent posts that you're Latina, can you explain what happened?

I found this post at the top of latest thread an hour or so ago. It was posted yesterday, I hadn't seen it. Maybe this is the reason they thought I was trolling them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251588739

Even so, it seems very counter productive behavior....from a white Volvo driving perspective anyway.

Is it hippy punching 3.0?

[artislife]

68. No you were shut down because

Cornell West is a very polarizing figure to many people, especially the AA population.

Barack Obama is the first Black President and that is a hell of an achievement. There is so much love, disbelief, joy, pride, and pinch myself I must be dreaming, I cannot believe in my lifetime--emotions going on in the AA community, and most PoC communities.

President Obama has faced the most vile, least patriotic and racist congress in our collective memory. This is a president that most of the AA community feels should have a solid backing by his own. Even if there are things that are not exactly what each member wants, the community as a whole is better when they stand together.

West did not do that.

The small handful of AAs that make up the group are not on board with West criticizing President Obama. If you were to have read their threads, you probably would have picked it up from their words.

When I go into groups that I am not a member of whether it is candidate or race or sexuality, I read first. For a good many weeks. I post rarely and in most, never at all.

I feel the groups are a haven, and that the GDP is where everyone agrees to duke it out.


This is my explanation.

[haikugal]

74. Thanks.

I appreciate you taking the time to share your take on it.

[artislife]

75. You are welcome

Thanks for reading the post. When one is in the minority, the group becomes more important. It is safer.

[haikugal]

76. It isn't easy being green...

[stranger81]

82. Barack Obama has become a shibboleth to folks in that group.

Criticism of any nature or degree is absolutely verboten.

[notadmblnd]

67. It is sad, because these few white posters in their quest to prove how "not racist" they are

in their rather over the top, vicious behavior towards people who may disagree- are in my opinion showing themselves to still be struggling with their own bigoted views. To me it implies that these few whites still believe that POC are not capable of speaking for and taking action here them selves.

[artislife]

69. That was even more shocking to me

I got schooled on white privilege by a whiter member than myself.


I had that thought, too in regards to your last sentence.



edited to add---not in the AA group, but in the GDP. But many of those posters seem to have left, too.

Yippee!

[Zorra]

47. +1. The good news is, Clinton is dropping like a stone in the polls. nt

[n2doc]

8. Yep, that group is just as hard core Clinton as is the HRC group

I haven't bothered with either in months. They aren't interested in dialog, or learning or facts. Just the propaganda that fits their agenda of getting HRC elected.

[SoapBox]

10. Ditto.

I trashed both weeks ago.

The diatribe and ranting is over the top...actually the non-truths within both are a stunner.

I just wish that when I've trashed groups and blocked users, that the site would not allow them to be seen by me ever...I get Surprise! when reading articles in Trending Now.

[notadmblnd]

29. I wish they could no lnger see me either.

I asked one person to put me on ignore and she even got defensive about that.

[azmom]

11. That is not correct. Many are

Supporting O'Malley.

[n2doc]

12. I guess I haven't seen that

Whenever I log out and revisit DU to see if I am missing anything from that (or other groups i've trashed) I always seem to see something attacking Sanders, or whining about one of their posters getting a time out. I have no idea why AA's would support O'Malley given his Baltimore history.

[truebluegreen]

77. Excellent point and very good question re O'Malley. nt

[Robbins]

13. I think

the langurage west used was going a bit too far but he had good points on Obama.Besides there are Blacks who don't agree with
those who are attacking West.

[haikugal]

18. I felt he gave a good accounting of himself in that video but I'm not AA.

[Autumn]

17. I'm assuming it's the Anti Bernie and his Supporters group?

[haikugal]

19. Mr Obvious....that's usually my job!

Or is that Ms.....

Sorry, I don't know.

[notadmblnd]

26. you're not alone

same thing happened to me when I posted there by mistake. I also trashed the group.

[Duckhunter935]

30. I was blocked with no warning

The best part was the post from the host giving the notification of being blocked without any warning. Some are not entirely truthful over in that group. Sad thing.

[haikugal]

31. They basically accused me of trolling them.

Very odd...nothing in my post or what I said in my defense made any impact and in my view wasn't offensive in any way other than to make a different point (possibly) about Brother West.

On edit.

I wasn't trolling them. I honestly thought that someone might be interested.

[Duckhunter935]

35. I saw that post

and I think it was just crazy they are that afraid to have a discussion. You did nothing wrong.

[haikugal]

39. That's reassuring Duckhunter, when something that swift and complete happens you wonder.

It was very authoritarian.

[olddots]

32. I feel strongly that group is being trolled strongly

here in cyberspace its anyone's guess who or what they say they are .There is some very bad stuff happening here when people don't know who their friends are .

[haikugal]

33. Agree..I took that into consideration and posted accordingly..to no avail.

It does say sad things doesn't it?

[HooptieWagon]

34. I never paid attention to the AA group anyway...

...but also recently trashed the group so all the drama wouldn't keep appearing on my feed.

[Hiraeth]

36. What is the difference with this OP and the OP

I posted the other day? Why is this one open when mine was locked?

[haikugal]

41. Maybe you could provide a link?

[Hiraeth]

89. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128048726

[haikugal]

91. I don't have an answer for you other than for some reason no one alerted?

You are at a disadvantage because your 'new' and your post count is low...don't take it too much to heart. It gets crazy here during election season and after reading that thread you find DU less welcoming than elsewhere. I hope you stick around and continue to participate.

It takes time...and things can be 'uneven' but there are good people here.

[Hiraeth]

92. Thank you for replying.

I guess a Hillary fan alerted on my post where as the AA group is less interested in what goes on in this group. Who knows.

See you in the main forums. The Home Page is always full of Bernie. So exciting!

[haikugal]

93. Your welcome!

Yes it is exciting...I'm tuned into Bernie at Liberty University. (Ugh)...with the mute on...such straight people!!

See ya!

[Hiraeth]

95. I have lost a lot of respect for the hosts of this group but, yes: Go Bernie !!

[Duckhunter935]

42. Who knows

Only one was alerted on?

[Hiraeth]

90. Interesting, especially with all the talk about stalking lately.

I must say that I am starting to agree with the people on here who mention the rancor between the two groups.

I think this is probably my last post in this group.

Whatever I need to see about Bernie/Hillary I can find elsewhere on this site and other sites.

I am not on here enough to have a vested interest in all this internecine squabbling.

Thank you for replying.

[Demeter]

37. This entire website is in convulsions--can't we all just get along?

It's been bad here before, but this is ridiculous!

It seems as though every attempt to "fix" the problem makes it worse, too, by introducing new weaknesses and loopholes and validating a lot of abusive behavior.

[totodeinhere]

38. If you do not toe the line absolutely in the AA group you are outta there.

It's really a shame that in this day and age we would have group think like that.

[Duckhunter935]

40. Yes it is

[beam me up scottie]

43. That sucks, haikugal.

You're a good person and I know you didn't mean any disrespect.

I am very protective of our A&A group and I've gone off on disruptors before but attacking well meaning visitors isn't helpful.



I'll find something cheerful and post a thread for you back at the evil atheist lair...

[haikugal]

44. Yeah I know they're having a rough patch but *sigh* as I said there,

I'll keep reaching out, just not there.

Thanks for the kind words BMUS

[Maedhros]

78. There is a determined effort by a few posters to try and deepen the chasm that is developing

between the AA group and Sanders supporters.

I just assume they are agents provacateur trying to undermine Sanders. Don't take any of it personally.

[haikugal]

79. Well at least one other person thought the video was worth watching! So it's a success.

Thanks for your comment...

[ALBliberal]

45. I was banned for advocating caution as to our internet identifications

Leading to our actual IDs and home addresses.

How do you trash a group?

[haikugal]

55. Um..go to the group...let's see

Go to the group and right under the name there is an action bar....tap the trash can. Hope that helps.

[merrily]

51. haikugal, don't be Blue!

haikugal, don't be blue.

Sometimes you trash a group

Sometimes a group trashes you.

That's just life at DU.

This is rhyme, not haiku--

Just the best I can do.

[haikugal]

53. LOL...

Hands slapped
Words shouted
We do our best
Get up, dust off, and reroute it!

[merrily]

54. Excellent! And fast, too. I deeply bow to you.

Not the right number of syllables,
But what can I do?

[haikugal]

56. So was yours, Thanks Merrily!

[merrily]

58. You're most welcome. Peace.

[haikugal]

59. What everyone does....

Come here and let me give you a bear hug!!

[merrily]

88. .

[truebrit71]

52. It's a cesspit of irrational Bernie haters....

The hosts are total arseholes... my feed has been stink - free since trashing that group.

[haikugal]

62. Well, even shite washes off...

Now skunk, that's different.

[Major Hogwash]

60. And yet many of the members in AA said that black people should have a voice!

In fact, they demanded it.

Yet, when Cornel West explained his comments, those people would have none of it.
Well, that's enough irony for me today.

At least you tried to have a discussion with that bunch.
That means something, even if they rejected your attempt.

If the mountain won't come to Mohammed, then Mohammed will go to the mountain.
I suppose they would have banned him, too.

[haikugal]

64. Very astute Major...

It is ironic isn't it?! Thanks for your comment.

[artislife]

65. I liked when they talked about issues

about being a minority in this nation. The Latino group on this site is as if La Migra came through and chased everyone off...( I am Latina mix, for those who don't know), so reading about their struggles was interesting and enlightening for me. I cannot say that my experience in this country is anything like what most of them go through on a daily basis.

But I can say, my Latino looking brother was stopped in Texas and spent a week in jail without being charged so I am not completely removed from it either.

To me, it has become a place to martyr the banned, raise up some members and complain about Sanders supporters. So much meta, which is what we are doing right now...but look at the threads in our group. We have so much more variety than that group has. Too bad, there are a lot of issues that we really need to address and the AA group says it is for discussing them.

But that won't happen again until after the primaries, if then.


I actually think that it will never happen here again in the foreseeable future.

[haikugal]

70. I want to thank you all for helping, and you all did.

Now let's get on with it shall we, I don't want to take up any more time on this unless someone else needs to vent frustration...

[tularetom]

80. Oh, me, me!!

I think it was that subversive icon you have in your sig line.

I'm not kidding either. I posted something over there that I thought was pretty innocuous and stirred up a mountain of shit in the process. There were a couple of snide references to Senator Sanders (in response to my post which never mentioned him) so I can only assume they objected to my "fringe candidate" sig line graphic.

I don't think they blocked me but I sure wasn't made to feel welcome. Or maybe they didn't block me because all the hosts already had me on ignore.

Anyway, there wasn't a damn thing wrong with your post. The paranoia is strong in that group.

[haikugal]

81. Thanks Tom!

Your input is appreciated!

How's it going in fire town? I hope it isn't too smokey where you are!

[tularetom]

83. Grandma has asthma so we took a break Saturday

and went over to San Jose to watch our great granddaughter play her first soccer game.

Just got back this afternoon and things have cleared up considerably. You can't even see the air anymore! The wind has shifted and we may even have some rain in the next few days.

[haikugal]

84. That's VERY good news!

[artislife]

98. I posted after BLM

that my sig line stopped me from posting there and on any threads for a great while. Gosh, it kind of felt like being Latino in shop on the eastern side of Washington. Lots of suspicion and angy looks and why our you in our store feelings.

[eridani]

86. Mindboggling that so many support a pro-death penalty candidate, given that

--42% of the people on death row are AA

[jfern]

87. True, death row is a higher percentage black

than those killed by the police.

[Major Hogwash]

94. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I don't know a single black person in real life who supports Hillary.
So, it surprises me that some members who post in the AA group say they support Hillary.
She has never been all that popular with blacks, so when some of them claim she is, I just don't believe it.