You guys HAVE TO see this - Howard Dean’s Facebook page has been invaded!

[dorkzilla]

Last edited Tue Sep 1, 2015, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

You guys gotta check out the comments to his post! It’s nothing but “sorry Howard, I’m voting for Bernie!”.

Probably NOT the reaction he was looking for!!!!! LOL!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153570814617505&id=34668722504&comment_id=10153570862667505¬if_t=like




ETA ****** THIS POSTING IS IN THE BERNIE SANDERS GROUP FORUM********

Please don’t get upset if you think this is in GD - it isn’t. This thread isn’t meant to upset anyone, I was sharing it with my fellow “Berniebots”.

Have a pleasant day!

[arcane1]

1. Nice to see that most of the posts were pro-Sanders instead of anti-Clinton

That said, it's f-ing brutal

[dorkzilla]

2. It’s crazy!!!!! Like 95% of the responses are pro-Bernie!

I’m laughing my ass off over here! I almost feel badly for Howard but he should have thought this out better.

[arcane1]

3. Twitter and Facebook can be very unforgiving places!

[merrily]

12. I'm sure he thought very carefully about what would serve his interests best.

I think he may have reached the wrong conclusion about that, though.

[dorkzilla]

14. Ya think? LOL!!!

Serves him right though...I guess it serves his purse better.

[zeemike]

26. Not so surprising when you think about it.

Most of the Sanders supporters supported Dean for the same reason...they want a change from establishment politics. Dean should have understood that.

[magical thyme]

128. 49 out of 50 on page 1. 98%. One lonely response (2%) for O'Malley.

100% no to Clinton.

[merrily]

10. Many are anti-Dean, though.

[emsimon33]

19. 100s of "are you kidding" to each "right on"

I have been disappointed in Dean for a while now.

[roguevalley]

60. reads the first 100. Only one pro hill comment there. :D:D:D

Howard got his ass handed to him.

[LiberalArkie]

4. Seems as Howard is well liked, but his opinion is being ripped. They are brutal.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Just out of curiosity, I went to the Facebook page of my Senator, Al Franken,

who also (disappointingly) endorsed Clinton. I was glad to see he got Berned, too. https://www.facebook.com/Sen.Franken?fref=ts

[Snotcicles]

7. Good, that was a big let down. Why did he spout-off so early? nt

[sabrina 1]

71. They are establishment politicians, they don't want to be 'outsiders'.

In many ways they are all that has been wrong about the Dem Party for a long time.

Dean was always pretty Conservative, he was no Bernie that's for sure. If Bush wasn't the threat back then, people might have noticed more about the candidates they were supporting.

They haven't realized yet, from the 'inside' just how much people KNOW now that they didn't know ten years ago.

And they probably are establishing their creds with the Party, assuming things will return to 'normal' once Bernie is out of the race.

And I believe they are okay with the way things are.

Which makes them so far removed from the people it makes you wonder, that they think they can still influence the people, as they once did.

Bernie tried to tell them, they need to wake up or they will lose. An awful lot of 'nose-holders' are not going to do that anymore.

[Snotcicles]

74. After the primaries are finished, I'm thinking about dropping my party affiliation. nt

[sabrina 1]

77. Bernie is briging a lot of non-voters and Independents to the party, since they have be registered

as Dems in many states to vote in the Primaries. I have done so already. I hope the party doesn't think those voters will remain in the party and vote for the nominee if it isn't Bernie.

[Robbins]

84. well

Here in Missouri you don't have to register by party.during primarys just say which party primary you want to vote in.

Since I became registed to vote in 1992 I have always considered myself a democrat.But,i am on verge of declaring myself an
Independent.The party has moved way too much to right.If Bernie loses primary I feel it's official liberals have no place anymore
In Democrat Party.we just have 2 parts of corporate party.

I don't understand why those who say they support unions would support Hillary.a pro-free trade biller.who won't even tell us where she stands on TPP.

Hillary is pro-war and pro-national security state so it also baffles me those who want out of middle east wars and feels the national security state is too powerful would support her.

I will not vote for Hillary.I would rather stay home on election day for first time ever.If back in 2012 I knew what I know now I wouldn't have bothered to vote.

[Lordquinton]

114. For the first time

I'm going to be able to vote for my candidate.

Side note, I had a anarchist punk friend who registered republican. By his reasoning if he ever got in trouble he could pull that to help him out.

[whathehell]

80. "Dean was always pretty Conservative"

Really?

I remember him running as a progressive populist in 2004. I had heard that he

went Blue Dog (big disappointment) a few years ago, but definitely not at the outset.

[Scootaloo]

102. Dean was never "conservative"

Buuuut in 2004, we all wanted to kick Bush out so hard that even "Joementum" was looking pretty damn liberal. So Howard Deen looked SUPER liberal. he's not, of course, never was... He's a good liberal, just... not as much of one as the lens of the time made him look

[glinda]

111. Agreed. What happened to him?

[emsimon33]

20. Thank you for the heads up

I gave him a Bernie 2016!

[baran]

73. Me too!!!

[malokvale77]

99. Al Franken gone status quo

is quite a let down.

It seems that, amongst the politicians, only Bernie is not comfortable with the way things are.

I think that makes him one of us.

[glinda]

112. True. Al is not totally there but has started down the Monsanto path, etc.....

He needs to stop hanging out with Amy.

[malokvale77]

116. Al has just become too comfortable

Full Definition of COMFORTABLE

1) a : affording or enjoying contentment and security <a comfortable income>
b : affording or enjoying physical comfort <a comfortable chair> <was too comfortable to move>

2) a : free from vexation or doubt <comfortable assumptions>
b : free from stress or tension <a comfortable routine>

He has forgotten those of us who lack such comfort.

[Snotcicles]

6. Sullying ones own name must be lucrative these days. nt

[dorkzilla]

8. I’m especially confused about Howard

He was so used and ridiculed by the DNC when he ran - why is he doing this? I don’t get it at all.

[Snotcicles]

9. I think he's in the loop now, has a cush going on. Life is good, life is easy. nt

[merrily]

11. I never realized how rich Dean's family was and a number of other things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

[dorkzilla]

13. I didn’t realize he came from money...

I know he came from an old family because he and I share a common Mayflower ancestor, Mary Chilton. My branch used to have money but its loooooooong gone. I guess his was the more strategic of the Chilton-Winslow clan.

[merrily]

15. I don't know if it was inherited money or not.

[dorkzilla]

16. I just realized that my “blue-blood” blood

Isn’t going to help me recover from your admonishment last week over my owning a Lexus.

Remember it *is* 12 years old!

[merrily]

17. No worries.

You were never going to recover from that anyway!

[dorkzilla]

48. You gibs me teh sadz merrily

[zeemike]

31. I guess we are related then.

Windslow was my 8th great uncle.

[dorkzilla]

37. Wow! I actually think there are a few of us here who have that strain in us.

I’ve heard from a few other Chilton-Winslows (and on my tree - Grey, Southworth, Bosworth etc) on here from time to time. Good to know some real ol’ Yankee stock is still unabashedly progressive and shaking the tree!

[zeemike]

64. Tracing your ancestors can be revealing.

Both of my grandmothers had direct decedents to the Mayflower. I had no idea until my sister in law turned me on to it...I had always assumed I came from nobodies.
Then I did my own research and found out all kinds of interesting things about where they came from.

[dorkzilla]

65. Yeah especially if you dig down the Winslow line...

Somewhere on line there is a Winslow ancestor page tracing back to William the Conquerer and beyond.

Since my mayflower granny was not really coming on her own (she was a teenager and was soon an orphan - her father died on board and her mom died the first winter) I still think I came from a relative nobody. Plus my Irish-born Catholic mom sucked up all my snootiness. I’m still a guttersnipe Bronx kid

See ya round, cousin!

[zeemike]

68. My fathers side had the Irish suck up

Came over in 1850 running from the potato famine.
But they are harder to trace without paying for research in in the emerald isle.
The Irish seem to have infected the somebodies snootiness.

[dorkzilla]

70. Actually the Irish were almost zealots when it comes to birth/marriage/death records

Unless the parish was burnt to the ground by Cromwell there have incredibly good records. This is a good place to start if you have any idea what part of Ireland your father’s ancestor came from. My gran’s family still lives in the same village in Ireland (Ennis, County Clare) we’ve live in for 400 years so that side was REALLY easy to trace.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

[zeemike]

82. Actually I do know a lot about them

Where they lived and all that...and thanks for that link...I will try to find out more.
The dead end I reached is in their parents names...and this link could be helpful
They came from County Waterford around Cappoquin...a lovely place on the Blackwater river...google maps are wonderful.

[emsimon33]

18. I left him a piece of my mind!

I wonder if they have his family kidnapped somewhere.

[shenmue]

22. That's a horrible thing to say

[smokey nj]

52. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[emsimon33]

67. The greater horror is that Howard Dean is now a sell out

That is unless he is being somehow threatened.

[dorkzilla]

50. Maybe they just kidnapped his brain

Or promised him a cabinet position

Good for you for telling him what you think! I’ve got a few comments there myself

[emsimon33]

83. I just posted a damning comparison between Bernie & Mrs. Clinton on progressive issues

[JDPriestly]

117. Link please. I'd love to read your post. Thanks.

I posted one too and am interested in this topic.

[BuelahWitch]

125. Hillary might make him National Dog Catcher if he's lucky

From what I remember there wasn't much love between the Clintons and HD (he is especially prickly with their pal Rahm Emanuel). I was a Deaniac in 2004 and am very confused and saddened by this recent hook-up with the status quo.

[dorkzilla]

131. LOL! He’ll be Secretary of the White House Toilets perhaps

Yeah its sad.

What’s really funny is the heads exploding over on the HRC page...saying all sorts of stuff about how we (the BS DU group) are basically the ones who were over there yesterday posting all this stuff. I guess it helps them not freak out how big in number we are. Admittedly I posted a few things over there, but I see names from some other FB “friends” that are on main-stream Democratic groups on FB that were posting there too without my prompting whatsoever.

I am not ant-Hillary at all, I am pro-Bernie as were most of the postings on HD’s thread yesterday. Most of the posts were also mostly pro-Dean who were just disappointed in his VERY early endorsement. His saying she is the smartest and toughest was preposterous. She IS smart and tough, no doubt at all about that. But the “smartest” and “toughest”? Not only is Bernie smart, but I’d bet on a rough and tumble Brooklyn kid to be the tougher and CERTAINLY the thickest skinned candidate, and I’d put Bernie’s intellect against Hillary’s any day.

Bill de Blasio owes a lot to the Clintons but even HE is waiting to make an endorsement so I wonder why suddenly HD is so cozy with her. He certainly doesn’t owe her a thing. It’s puzzling.

[L0oniX]

75. The oligarchy is kidnapping Dem families?

[emsimon33]

81. I guess I am a romantic

Better that they are holding families hostage than Howard Dean is a sell-out, shill, puppet.

[emsimon33]

85. One of my responses on his Facebook page

You may not remember, but I won a dinner with you in Washington a couple of years ago. I am shocked that you support Hillary Clinton. As a life-long rabid activist and volunteer for Democratic candidates, I will neither support in any way or vote for Hillary Clinton and I am very disappointed in your support of her. Other than on women's issues, Mrs. Clinton's record reads like any other neoliberal, Third Way Democrats' record. She already has aligned herself with Monsanto, the for-profit prison industry, Wall Street, the large financial institutions, Trans Canada (Keystone XL and other tar sands pipelines), TPP and other "trade" agreements that eviscerate the middle class. She was pushing for us getting involved in the conflict in Syria (there was no "good" side to be on) which makes her a hawk and a shill for the military-industrial complex, Further, she can not win and we can not have a Republican president. If, by some miracle she did win, we would have the Obama problem for at least four years--a Republican Congress, Senate, and Supreme Court. The country can not survive another four years of grid lock. This time around, another Clinton presidency would not have the blind support of the Democratic base as, for the most part, Bill Clinton and Obama had/have had. The irony here is that, despite the best efforts of the Beltway-Party insiders, the Democratic Party voters are returning to our roots. We do NOT want Mrs. Clinton as the candidate, despite the tens of millions she may raise from Wall Street, billionaires, the energy industry, the prison industry, banks, etc. As a volunteer for your 50-State Strategy (which was the real reason the ungrateful Obama won in 2008 despite never giving you or the strategy the recognition due), I know the power of grassroots organizing. You taught us! What irony!!!! And now, without central organizing (read "The Starfish and the Spider&quot , we will use what we learned to not only defeat Mrs. Clinton (your candidate [have they threatened your family?]) but any Republican candidate. This is the revolution. It will not be televised (as the news media are corporate entities now), but it will be Tweeted, posted on social media, spread by word of mouth--the message of the people by the people telephone call by telephone call, door by door--no matter how many miles each of us must walk. We are taking back our country and you can be with us or you can be against us. This is not about Bernie Sanders. It is about the United States of America and what the people want our country to stand for. Bernie Sanders just happens to be the only candidate running in this election with a record of standing with the people and standing for these values throughout his career: The only candidate who is incorruptible and who will not sell out. I am so glad that he flies commercial airlines smile emoticon.

[dorkzilla]

87. GREAT post...n/t.

[glinda]

113. No kidding on the last part.

[emsimon33]

115. You think!

How many liberals have we lost in small plane "accidents"?

[navarth]

129. Yes.

PLEASE stay away from small planes, Bernie.

I hate to say it, but I think he's going to need some serious security as we progress. I hate it because it separates him from us a bit.

[Cry]

21. I loved the Dean bats

we would fill it up pretty quickly... but now that Dean has shown his true colors, I wouldn't even imagine filling up that bat for at least a few weeks.

Bernie, not the DNC, has my money and efforts.

[Fearless]

23. .

[Kenjie]

24. Quite a resounding rebuke

I have to imagine he is doing something like this right now.

[emsimon33]

86. He has certainly lost his creds.

Although I have been disappointed in many of his appearances recently on MSNBC.

[840high]

109. Oh yes, for sure.

[kelliekat44]

25. Yes, comments like "Hillary is the most qualified, but I am voting for Bernie" ???WTF! nt

[dorkzilla]

59. The comment I saw was “Hillary is well-qualified but I am voting for Bernie"

Slightly different wording, vastly different meaning.

[magical thyme]

130. do you really think we aren't capable of, or wouldn't bother, reading the actual replies?

First thing I did. In the 1st 100 replies, I never saw anything that resembles your made up claim.

Not even a good try. Lazy and pathetic.

[kelliekat44]

27. Because this is the way we should treat life-long Dems who stuck their necks out for us.

Stay tough, Mr. Dean.

[frylock]

36. People disagree with him. Does being a life-long Dem absolve him of any criticism?

Should people not express their opinion because Howard Dean stuck his neck out(?)?

[TheFarS1de]

121. Of course it should'nt ...

just like how the other side point out that when Sanders marched with MLK it was also irrelevant . Hard to see why they would be upset because that would be hypocritical

[Hekate]

49. Thanks. I worked hard for Dean when he went against BushCheney. I'll see you elsewhere.....

[cascadiance]

28. Someone should remind him that supporting Hillary Clinton won't get his DNC job back...

... when Clinton already has her surrogate DWS working hard to get her reelected there. Won't work.

[99th_Monkey]

106. I think it's clear Dean's been offered a cushy cabinet position of some kind

maybe an ambassadorship of importance.

The man has sold out, sad to say, for something.

[kelliekat44]

29. And we Dems should be joyful about this because we know for sure that the posters are not GOP? nt

[frylock]

39. Did you bother to READ any of the comments?

They're all very mild. People disagree and state that they're voting for Sanders. No death threats. Nobody claiming that Dr. Dean is dead to them. Nobody being chucked under the bus.

[dorkzilla]

40. Well I know now that me and a lot of friends are on there posting so no, they’re not GOP puppets

We are allowed to back who we like. You *do* know this is a Bernie Sanders Group posting, right?

[smokey nj]

47. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[Divernan]

30. Dean is being brutally excoriated & rightly so!

How far you've fallen from a progressive, populist hero to promoting a DINO. Specific policy proposals? What a joke. Haven't you heard? She'll tell us her policies AFTER she's elected. Particularly offensive is her vague, off the wall "profit sharing for workers" in lieu of a livable minimum wage. Talk to ANY accountant, Dr. Dean, about how corporations and even smaller businesses can eliminate profits from the books by a whole litany of tricks - such as investing in new equipment, modernizing old facilities, increasing salaries and bonuses for top level execs, treating the board members to an exotic retreat.

[Gloria]

35. She's given PLENTY of policy details, which apparently

you have ignored....

[Divernan]

43. Sweetie! You ignored this is the Bernie Sanders group! Buh-bye!

[Flying Squirrel]

32. Hoo boy:

'Howard Dean: "Hillary 2016 - YEEEEAAARRGH!"'

[Gloria]

33. Nothing like eating your own...

There's a real fanaticism here that is downright.....stupid, immature, etc. etc.

[mak3cats]

38. This is the Bernie Sanders group here...

...if you don't care for the company, you're free to leave. KTHXBAI!

[frylock]

42. "There's a real fanaticism here..."

Go take a look at the HRC group if you want to see fanaticism. She's the smartest and the prettiest!

[dorkzilla]

44. So Dean saying she is the “smartest and toughest” before the candidate has been picked isn’t?

Utter tosh. HE is the one who is eating his colleagues.

Fanaticism indeed.

[Divernan]

45. "Stupid" is flat out lying about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia

when there are photos and witnesses galore to document HRC actually was accepting flowers from a little girl who read her a poem.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Hillary+sniper+fire+Bosnia+flowers&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002

Immature is keeping a "revenge" list.

Blair also noted a 1994 conversation in which the first lady asked her for advice on "how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular." When asked why she wanted to keep the documents, Clinton replied, "Revenge."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/17/politics/diane-blair-hillary-clinton-documents/index.html

[roguevalley]

61. revenge lists are very republican/nixonian. what a wanker.

[Babel_17]

93. Ironically, given that this is the Sanders group, the mature thing that should happen ...

Ironically, given that this is the Sanders group, the mature thing that should happen to your post is for you to delete it.

Though seriously, no hard feelings, our party would stink if we weren't passionate.

[Divernan]

100. Whee! I got my first nastygram private message from a HRC supporter!

Basically, she was shocked, I say! Shocked that I had not treated her with respect, because I called her sweetie. I posted: "Sweetie! You ignored this is the Bernie Sanders group! Buh-bye!"

I replied to her nastygram as follows, and then blocked any further pm's from her.

you are SUCH a whining hypocrite! I called you "sweetie". Well 10 minutes before I posted that, you posted: "Nothing like eating your own... There's a real fanaticism here that is downright.....stupid, immature, etc. etc." Are you able to follow this? What's more extreme? Your calling people supporting Sanders cannibalistic fanatics, stupid, immature, etc., etc., or me addressing you as "sweetie". And you have the cojones to demand respect from anyone else?

You've been around DU for years, including the primary battles back in 2007/8. If you still don't have the ability to pay attention to what group you're posting in, that's your problem and your shortcoming. Furthermore, I didn't block you, that was done by one of the hosts of the group. I AM NOT A HOST OR MONITOR OF THE GROUP. In lieu of your self pity, try reading the DU rules.

Fun & games on DU! It's going to be a long primary season! But I have more than enough enthusiasm for Bernie to be up for it!

[dorkzilla]

133. Wow!!

Good on ya!

Your calling her “sweetie" was much more innocuous than what I was going to say which was “don’t get your knickers in a knot love, you’re on the Bernie Board”. But I didn’t. Because that would be *almost* as stupid and immature as calling your fellow democrats cannibals.

[840high]

110. Why are you here?

[silvershadow]

34. Thanks! I just added my two cents. Bernie or bust! #feelthebern nt

[dorkzilla]

46. You go, silvershadow!!

I think we’re scaring the establishment...and I can’t believe Dean has turned into the establishment. So sad.

[silvershadow]

78. It is sad. And quite unexpected. nt

[azurnoir]

41. Lol that's great

[Hekate]

51. This showed up on the front page. You folks have completely lost your way.

Don't even bother -- you won't see me again, I assure you.

[smokey nj]

53. You're the one who's lost.

[dorkzilla]

54. Because its TRENDING. You do know how that works, right????

You need to look at where the posting was originally posted before getting upset. I didn’t engineer it to show up on the front page. How is that something that is worthy of chastisement? “You folks have lost your way”????? Huh????

*THIS IS POSTED IN THE BERNIE SANDERS GROUP*

[frylock]

56. Someone show Hekate the door, please.

Wouldn't want anyone to completely lose their (Third) way.

[smokey nj]

58. Already done.

[roguevalley]

63. frylock, you rule. that is all. :D:D:D

[roguevalley]

62. wrong group to tut-tut in, hekate.

[dorkzilla]

66. LOL, right?

When I see something on Trending or Greatest Page that was originally posted in the HRC group I don’t even read it let alone comment. And I’m a relative newcomer - how come I’ve learned proper etiquette here and some of the old timers haven’t?

[cui bono]

97. It did? Well then FEEL THE BERN!!!

We haven't lost our way at all... we're right on target.

And we are BERNSTORMING!

[Faux pas]

55. Thanks

added my 2 cents to his page.

[peacebird]

57. Pretty funny!

[d_legendary1]

69. If you guys rememberd the primaries

Dean was ridiculed into submission. I guess he figured out which side the bread is buttered.

[bvar22]

72. I love this response:

" Howard, Howard, Howard. Hillary, whom I respect as a person, is not the smartest, the toughest, or anything else-est but the same old shit we’ve seen for YEARS. I’m voting for Bernie, who actually WORKS for the people.

We need a revolution, and it isn’t going to start with Hillary. I’d love to see a woman POTUS, but I was thinking more along the lines of Elizabeth Warren. FDR would be appalled if he saw what our party has turned into and he’d be appalled that someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz is running the DNC. Barf.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153570814617505&id=34668722504&comment_id=10153570862667505

[dorkzilla]

89. That post was particularly brilliant I thought

[bvar22]

95. I just found out that the person who penned the post....

...I quoted above IS a member of DU!

[dorkzilla]

98. I'm not surprised!

We are a pretty brilliant bunch round here!

Betcha there are quite a few others posting!

[ion_theory]

76. This is beautiful...

The millennials need a big turn out for the primaries if we are going to get Bernie the nod too and this shows that hopefully the youth is finally paying attention. FEEL THE BERN.

[dorkzilla]

91. And they will - the thing that strikes one almost immediately from the photos of his rallies

Is the number of really young voters. I hear a lot of independents are throwing their hat in the Bernie ring as well. It bodes really well for our candidate!

[bbgrunt]

79. most excellent!

[Babel_17]

90. Thanks for the heads up. Got my "Reply" in ;)! (nt)

[dorkzilla]

92. Good for you!

Lets send this message to the “insiders”. As we say in the Bronx “we ain’t fuckin’ around anymore”.

[LiberalElite]

94. Vilsack should be similarly "invaded" - he

endorsed H too.

[TSIAS]

103. Nobody cares what Vilsack thinks

How long did he last in 2008, maybe a month or two?

[cui bono]

96. The people are speaking. Time for the party to listen.

One of the comments:

Lori Learned Robinson:
I was the last Dean delegate elected (Kansas caucus) in the US in the 2004 election cycle. I worked for you because of your ideas and continued to hold out even after Kerry was assured the nomination. Why? Because I believed in the ideas you espoused, I believed you were a breath of fresh air that wasn't going to cave to what the powers-that-be dictated and because you connected to people and got them interested in the political process again. You gave me hope. You gave a lot of us hope that change could start at the grassroots level.
I went to Boston and proudly told everyone that I was a Dean delegate. I gave up my credentials so my alternate could cast her vote for Kerry's nomination because I couldn't do it.
You came to hometown, Lawrence, Kansas as the DNC chair. I stood proudly on the stage at Liberty Hall with you because you were working for the people. You later attended a gathering at the home of a friend of mine and accepted a painting I gave you that my brother painted and which you told me you would hang at the DNC offices in DC. This gathering was something that many of us Deaniacs worked to put together.
Afterward, I helped organize a training through the DFA to help others become better advocates for the political system. I thought you still believed in people like me. Now I realize that you have either given up on listening to those of us whose passions drive us to support candidates who inspire us or maybe you never believed in us at all.
I #feelthebern because I believe in Bernie and the dream he has for America. I will fight for Bernie's nomination, the way I once fought for you. I believe in Bernie, the way I once believed in you.
It broke my heart when I saw that you became a shill for the establishment. I will vote for Hillary if she wins the primary but I will do my damnest to make sure she doesn't.

FEEL THE BERN!!!

[Divernan]

101. Very powerful & moving comment.

[mhatrw]

104. Dean should have realized that his former supporters are too smart to

support his business-as-usual candidate.

[JackInGreen]

105. Er...might be an unpopular opinion

Not that I disagree with criticism of Dean....it's deserved, I was a Deaniac but think he's evolved poorly.
That being said..
I'm seeing a lot of my fellow Bernistas being petty shits in here, mostly to and sometimes snarkily justified to people thinking criticism of dean is out of line. I don't agree with them either, but can we keep it like Bernie and stay positive and on point while drawing comparisons without being nasty? Please?
Thanks.
flame me if you want, I've got my asbestos long johns on, I know we're the Bernie group so let's set a better example.


And yes I'm bad sometimes but jeeeez.

[mhatrw]

108. OK, but why can't people criticize people who don't think Dean should be criticized

for something both of us agree Dean should be criticized for?

I'm all for respectful criticism of both Dean and those who castigate people for criticizing Dean.

Is your problem with the criticism or the snark quotient?

[JackInGreen]

118. Just the nasty quotient really, and snark can get there fast

Might be a personal preference but when we're totally disrespectful (even if we've been subject to disrespect) we lower the dialogue, admitadly from what I've seen conversation is usually not an option by that point but it's still not really an excuse. Criticizing and pointing out difference is one thing and great. Critisizing those that are saying ita out if line, great...but I've seen some downright insulting behavior and that's what I'm referencing, or at least thats my perception.

[MannyGoldstein]

107. "You were given the choice between war and dishonor.”

"You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."
- Winston Churchill, on Howard Dean

[snot]

119. K&R'd for the comments.

[Enthusiast]

120. Awe inspiring!

[EEO]

122. I was part of the invasion.

Sanders 2016

[mnhtnbb]

123. What a disappointment to see Howard Dean supporting Hillary.

I held a house party for him...back in the day. Was a HUGE supporter.

I've never been fond of Hillary and love seeing the support that Bernie is generating.

[Politicub]

124. Teehee! Giggle!

Wow - you really showed Howard Dean who's boss

[dorkzilla]

134. Wow - what a burn. This is the SANDERS GROUP. Thanks Buh-bye!!!!!!!

The rolling-eye thing REALLY hurt my fee-fees

[ancianita]

126. I can no longer stick with Dean because of his establishment trappings; he's out, along with DWS.

[zomgitsjesus]

127. Just shows how imperfect Dean is and his ties to the DNC.

[NorthCarolina]

132. Priceless. That will garner some attention by establishment candidates

who may be looking to continue their free ride in DC beyond their present term.

[Babel_17]

135. Governor Dean picked a side regarding Iran, so maybe that disposes him ...

Governor Dean picked a side regarding Iran, so maybe that disposes him to support HRC, vs. pro treaty with Iran, Sanders.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/02/howard_deans_iran_secret_famously_dovish_dem_is_paid_shill_for_iranian_regime_change_group/

[dorkzilla]

136. That is eye-opening

What I mean by that is “HOLY SHIT”.

Thanks Babel - going to repost this on FB.

[Babel_17]

137. It might be "down the rabbit hole" level, so ...

It's hard to say for sure exactly what games our government is playing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002415296

It's hard to say where our interests start and end. Where the interests of our government start and end. Where the interests of elected officials start and end. And where the interests of those connected to government start and end. And that applies to groups we sporadically support/later destroy.

Edit: I'm not at all well read about any of this but just now I found a link that provides some good context. It's from four years ago though.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0808/Iranian-group-s-big-money-push-to-get-off-US-terrorist-list

[Geronimoe]

138. The Group Thingy

I see many telling Hillary supporters to leave and not post here because this is Bernie's group.

Perhaps those coming here will feel the Bern mojo. I was blocked from Hillary Group, some idot claimed I was a right wing, Fox News lunatic. repeating their lies. What did I write? That she voted to give AUMF to Bush and this alone is why I will never vote for her.

Enjoy the enthusiasm, but keep to the facts. Bernie wins on his record of good judgement and on his policy positions.

[Roy Rolling]

139. Ouch

That's gonna leave a mark.