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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:28 PM Aug 2015

This is the best explanation of why you should be supporting Bernie Sanders rather than Hillary

I apologize if this was already posted last week. It's new to me


This is the best explanation of why you should be supporting Bernie Sanders rather than Hillary

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I’m not someone who’s followed Ed Schultz too extensively, but I came across this video of some commentary he recently made on his radio show (his MSNBC show has since been cancelled), and it was probably the best summation of why Democrats should be throwing their weight behind Bernie Sanders rather then Hillary.

It’s not a commentary about political practicality, it’s about supporting a new kind of politician that flies in the face of the Establishment.

Citing a recent poll that shows Sanders leading Hillary in New Hampshire, Schultz started out by saying that there is a “fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic soul in this country — and it’s not about personality… it’s about the issues.”

When you ask Bernie Sanders about [the Keystone pipeline], you get an answer. When you ask Bernie Sanders a question about the Trans Pacific Partnership… you get an answer. When you ask Bernie Sanders what he would do to the big banks on Wall Street, you get an answer. When you ask Bernie Sanders about, ‘Do you think that the oil companies should pay their fair share – and continue to get billions in dollars of subsidies from the United States Treasury?’ you get a direct answer.


Schultz scoffed at the “Clinton folks of the world” who slam him on social media for abandoning Hillary. “Go right ahead,” he taunted. “I am more proud of what is unfolding in American politics right now than anything we’ve ever seen before.”

Did the Black Lives Matter protest earlier this week in Seattle hurt Bernie Sanders? No. It gave him an opportunity to clarify his position – exactly what he’s going to do about institutional racism in this country.


Schultz was clear about his disappointment in Hillary Clinton:

I can’t get – no one can get a response from Hillary on Keystone, a response from Hillary on big oil, a response from Hillary on Wall Street…


This is a guy who’s revolutionizing American politics right now.



http://deadstate.org/this-is-the-best-explanation-of-why-you-should-be-supporting-bernie-sanders-rather-then-hillary/
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This is the best explanation of why you should be supporting Bernie Sanders rather than Hillary (Original Post) Catherina Aug 2015 OP
Thank you. 840high Aug 2015 #1
Bernie is the real deal rusty quoin Aug 2015 #2
Please don't post in this group that Bernie will not win. Thanks. merrily Aug 2015 #20
I'm for Bernie 100% and I think he'll get enough votes to win. BUT Stevepol Aug 2015 #36
The only way he will lose... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #38
K&R ReRe Aug 2015 #3
Hi ReRe! Catherina Aug 2015 #4
You didn't miss anything... ReRe Aug 2015 #10
Thanks. I'm glad to know this Catherina Aug 2015 #25
Of the MSNBC talking heads, Schultz was the most pro-labor, the most merrily Aug 2015 #24
I like the way ReRe put it too - "Donahued" Catherina Aug 2015 #26
Donahued, Cenked, Olbermanned--pick one, any one. merrily Aug 2015 #33
Oh wow... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #40
K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #5
Ed Schultz Podcast TrumanTown Aug 2015 #6
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #7
Thanks. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #8
It really is easy to answer the question if it's the right answer. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #9
BINGO. merrily Aug 2015 #21
Eating your own NotHardly Aug 2015 #11
Could you plainly state your point? Old Crow Aug 2015 #14
Seems to be that a primary = cannabalism. merrily Aug 2015 #23
So now Clinton is an actual incumbent? eridani Aug 2015 #16
Post that anti-primary bs meme elsewhere, please. Oh, and Hillary's not an incumbent. merrily Aug 2015 #22
I'd respond but I'm not sure you'd get the point n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #27
Wow. Springslips Aug 2015 #30
+1 merrily Sep 2015 #44
That's why they took Ed off MSNBC. Comcast just doesn't feel comfortable with pro-labor PatrickforO Aug 2015 #12
Thanks Patrick n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #28
You should be supporting Bernie rather than Hillary left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #13
I am lol! Catherina Aug 2015 #29
This is exactly why DNC is not allowing debates passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #15
Even then, I fear they will not 'allow' certain questions. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #17
I believe that Ed's support of Sanders hastened his firing from MSNBC. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #18
How low things have sunk n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #31
Yes. It's difficult to remain positive when one sees ladjf Aug 2015 #32
Big K&R!! MissDeeds Aug 2015 #19
That's pretty much it, from my view point. Doctor_J Aug 2015 #34
So much this. hifiguy Aug 2015 #41
Ugh guns and roses fbc Aug 2015 #35
No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #37
This is my BIGGEST reason to support Bernie over Hillary. retrowire Aug 2015 #39
kick. (nt) HappyPlace Aug 2015 #42
Ed! I can now say I want to "watch"! MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #43

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
36. I'm for Bernie 100% and I think he'll get enough votes to win. BUT
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:55 PM
Aug 2015

I'll have to be honest. I think the voting machines will rob him either in the primaries or in the general and somebody else who gets fewer votes will be proclaimed the winner, just as happened with Bush and Kerry in 04.

I wish I didn't feel this way, but I do. The vote in the US is counted on electronic voting machines and in only a few states is there anything resembling an attempt to VERIFY THE VOTE, that is, an audit, or even in many cases enough paper to have a fair audit or recount. In many states it's impossible to verify the vote. Until the US can VERIFY THE VOTE by comparing the actual paper with the cyber results on screen, we don't have a real democracy. I hope somebody is making Bernie aware of this and telling him what he should do about it.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
4. Hi ReRe!
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:34 AM
Aug 2015

I don't have MSNBC and that's the first time I ever listened to him. What happened to his TV show? I liked that video, and Ed so much that I went and looked for more, then I saw this one (where Bernie was one too)



and then I saw him addressing the cancellation of his show.
What did I miss?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
10. You didn't miss anything...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:55 AM
Aug 2015

... it's just msnbc pulling it's Phil Donahue tricks again. Trying to look even more like FOX. More "establishment", if-you-please. I don't watch much msnbc at all since Ed left.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. Of the MSNBC talking heads, Schultz was the most pro-labor, the most
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:07 AM
Aug 2015

pro-health care (and I don't mean health insurance, I mean health care), etc. He gave Bernie tons of free TV time, which Bernie REALLY needed.

Then all of a sudden, every week there was a story about how bad his ratings were. No one else's ratings on MSNBC or any other station mentioned in these stories, only Schultz's. And o and behold, he got fired for bad ratings.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
26. I like the way ReRe put it too - "Donahued"
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:58 AM
Aug 2015

I got the pro-labor, pro-health care part immediately. You can't miss it. This is a shame but then again that's the MSM. I'm surprised someone that direct and pro-labor made it on at all. I'll try to keep up with his podcasts now. Thanks Merrily

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
40. Oh wow...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:55 PM
Aug 2015

I don't have cable so didn't see that.

Very telling. MSNBC evidently doesn't want the truth told.

Go Ed and go Bernie.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. BINGO.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:52 AM
Aug 2015

It's when you know that a good number of voters are not going to like your answer that you hem and haw and say tone deaf stuff.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
11. Eating your own
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:04 AM
Aug 2015

Democrats historically are capable of killing off their chances by eating their own... I would remind you of Jimmy Carter and his second run, but I am not sure you would get the point.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
14. Could you plainly state your point?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:31 AM
Aug 2015

I don't understand what you're trying to say, and I'm probably not the only one here scratching my head.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
22. Post that anti-primary bs meme elsewhere, please. Oh, and Hillary's not an incumbent.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:54 AM
Aug 2015

Carter did not lose because of Kennedy's primary challenge. Far more likely: Carter was the subject of a primary challenge because Carter was going to lose the election. In addition, Kennedy may have been the only Democratic politician at that time who could have beaten Reagan because then, the Kennedys still had more charisma than Reagan--and more political savvy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778873

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778872

Give democracy a chance. Who knows? You might actually like it.

Springslips

(533 posts)
30. Wow.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:13 AM
Aug 2015

And such is the thinking of the Hillary supporters: that Hillary is entitled, much like a monarch, to wear the crown of the Democratic nominee of President, and it is so shameful that that we mere serfs would take aim at that, and threaten her God given right to the post; we are eating our own!

No! The nominee will be WHO WE SAY IT IS, through something called the PRIMARY PROCESS. It is not eating our own, it's democracy. This is how plutocrats get legitimacy, through attitudes like that, which calls the democratic process, "eating our own." But I am not sure you would get the point.

Besides, Teddy Kennedy would gad fared better in 1980 anyways. More incumbents, which Clinton is not, should be primaried. They should have to answer for their first term to the membership before getting our seal of approval; maybe we'd like a better nominee. Presidents shouldn't be entitled to it either.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
12. That's why they took Ed off MSNBC. Comcast just doesn't feel comfortable with pro-labor
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:12 AM
Aug 2015

populists who fly in the face of the establishment. They ARE the establishment. As things heat up look for Chris Hayes and/or Rachel to be cancelled as well.

Comcast is willing to eat those losses to keep word from getting out.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
13. You should be supporting Bernie rather than Hillary
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:14 AM
Aug 2015

1. Bernie is supported by working Americans
2. Hillary is supported by SUPERpacs.

IMHO

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
15. This is exactly why DNC is not allowing debates
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:54 AM
Aug 2015

Waiting till the very last minute before Clinton has to openly answer some of the questions she's been so carefully avoiding.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
32. Yes. It's difficult to remain positive when one sees
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:16 AM
Aug 2015

what a mess American politics is in. But, Bernie uplifts me. He's not just another politician trying to get rich in the politics business.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
34. That's pretty much it, from my view point.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:38 PM
Aug 2015

The country does not need Hillary Clinton right now. The only arguments I have heard from her supporters are

1. She's female
2. She's "more electable" than Sanders
3. She has "executive experience"

She is a Republican except for abortion rights and gay marriage (I think she's still in favor of gay marriage - she'll change back if the polls change). Enough. It's time to fight the right with everything we have - not promise to work with them, like Clinton has.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
39. This is my BIGGEST reason to support Bernie over Hillary.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:47 PM
Aug 2015

"Hillary, would you like fries with that?"

Hillary: "Let me talk to my people, see what others answer, then I'll get back to you on that."

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
43. Ed! I can now say I want to "watch"!
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:26 PM
Aug 2015

I agree… It's a movement, but rather than use that (thinking of Harry Shearer saying, "And we all NEED ONE.. EVERY DAY!&quot , I see it as a paradigm shift.

Someone needed to lead it, and it turns out that Bernie Sanders is the one.

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