I am pro Bernie - GET IT ?

[left-of-center2012]

[wendylaroux]

1. exactly!!!!

thank you!

[djean111]

2. No, they do not get it, not one little bit.

They see everything and anyone that is not FOR Hillary as The Enemy, and attack. Like a hive of wasps. It is almost like not getting a groundswell of "Hey, why bother with a primary" was completely unexpected. Every criticism of Hillary is labeled a RW smear.

[passiveporcupine]

8. And this is helping how?

It's no different attacking Hillary supporters than Hillary supporters attacking Bernie supporters. Both sides need to knock it off.

[DinahMoeHum]

3. Damn right.

Whoever gets the Democratic nomination will have my vote for the general elections.

[SoapBox]

4. And to borrow from Tea Bag T-Rump...

Deal with it!

[ejbr]

5. K & R n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

6. I got into it the other day with someone in PMs....

They were DETERMINED to claim being pro-Bernie was treason against the Democratic Party because "he's not a Democrat".

Showed them the FEC filing.

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/vpr/files/201505/Sanders-2016-FEC-Form-2.pdf

Nope.

Seems "affiliation" isn't enough. (Forget the fact that there's no "member" box)

It's TREASON, ya hear?

TREASON!!!!

BTW: Why didn't I get a membership card? And shouldn't they assign me a number?

[restorefreedom]

13. is this common?

with emails/pm's? i have heard others mentioned it, and i have been involved in a couple of exchanges, one of which was particularly non productive.

i wondered why some initiate pm's rather than just starting an op

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. Because they want to say things that would get them banned.

[restorefreedom]

15. ahhhhh

that makes sense. so do most people ignore rather than engage? hate to point fingers, but it seems to be hillary supporters, at least in my experience.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. There's a lot of fear and anger that "it's happening again".

[restorefreedom]

17. seems to be

i was on another discussion board and someone said they were upset that obama "snatched" the nom from hillary and they didn't want it to happen again. as if it was given that she should have the nom, like she deserved it becsuse she wanted it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. There are a LOT of women from the ERA Era who see Hillary as their last chance before they die.

[restorefreedom]

24. i get that.

i would like to see it too, but she is not the one imo.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. I'd get excited over Warren.

[restorefreedom]

27. me too! nt

[cascadiance]

29. I try to note that perhaps as old as Bernie is, he might only work for one term...

... and if he's got Elizabeth Warren as his VP then, I think she'd have a great chance at getting elected in 2020. I think one could hopefully talk to many of Hillary's supporters who feel they will at least live five more years.

I have a good friend here that is a Hillary supporter who basically said this to me too as to why she supports Hillary so much. I try to get her to look more at the issues, as she has been involved with helping the local Occupy movement, etc. too, but she still seems more about trying to help the Democrats as a team and helping Hillary win to help get more representation for women, than looking at the details of her positions. I think many of her friends are trying to persuade her like I am too, but some people have very strong wills.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. They've got that "she's the most qualified" talking point drilled into their heads.

[left-of-center2012]

18. "being pro-Bernie was treason against the Democratic Party because "he's not a Democrat".

I'm voting for Bernie because of the man and his ideas.
I'm 69 and I've always voted for the person I believe to be the best candidate.
That said, I think the last Republican I voted for was City Council in Hartford back in the 70s.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. I've voted "Peace and Freedom" before.

[Autumn]

22. Did you have ice cream by chance? Not chocolate or strawberry

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. No, but I had corn flakes on my chicken.

[Autumn]

25. Okay then it wasn't who I had a PM discussion with

[Spitfire of ATJ]

28. I bet you couldn't tell them apart.

[merrily]

32. Facts and analysis do nothing.

[Wolf Frankula]

7. So Am I

Bernie seems better than Hillary. (I know nothing about O'Malley.) I'm nervous about Hillary's Wall Street ties. But Hillary would be a hundred times BETTER than Carnival Cruz, Trump T. Trump, Huckleberry, Jindally Cricket and any other Repub.

Wolf

[left-of-center2012]

19. I know nothing about O'Malley.

He's good. Seen him interviewed on C-SPAN.
But he doesn't have "the fire ti inspire".

[KansDem]

9. GOT IT!

[tblue]

10. Me too.

So much to love about Bernie.

[DRoseDARs]

11. Pro-Bernie = Anti-Obama. Yep, a poster here made that argument.

Callouts aren't allowed, but they were given a timeout for an unrelated matter recently. Well-known, widely-respected, rather vociferous in their support of #BLM... to the point of saying something ridonkulous like that. I rarely put people on Ignore and it's never permanent; s/he earned a spot.

[merrily]

33. How about a cartoon of Bernie in the style Fairey stole = defecating on Obama?

And therefore, of course, also racist.

[Fast Walker 52]

12. I'm not anti-Hillary but I know a lot of people excited about Bernie who will not vote for Hillary

Just sayin'

[eridani]

31. Those are the alienated 63%

The ones who didn't vote in 2014 despite being eligible. Committed active Democrats are strategic voters who will vote for the nominee regardless--but we are a minority among the general public.

[merrily]

34. I disagree. Some Democrats who have voted regularly who will write in Bernie

or stay home or vote Green or whatever rather than vote for Hillary.

People are tired of having their voice stifled, tired of LOTE voting, tired of the status quo, tired of dynastic thinking and some are just tired of Clintons.

[Fast Walker 52]

35. yes, and I think Bernie has the ability to draw a lot of lapsed Dems back into the fold

whereas Clinton will not be able to do this.

What I'm unsure of is whether Bernie will turn off more Hillary supporters than Dems he brings in. I know some Dems are convinced-- CONVINCED-- Bernie is not electable. But many of these people would still vote for Bernie if pressed, I suspect. So it seems to me Bernie has the ability to draw in more Dems overall.

[eridani]

36. True, but according to an informal poll in this group, 70% are strategic voters who--

--will support whoever the nominee is. Still--we'd rather not lose that other 30%.

[merrily]

37. Good morning (or good night). I agree.

A majority of registered Democrats will vote Democratic. However, I do not consider that strategic voting, but party loyalty voting or LOTE voting.

For me, strategic voting in a Presidential election is figuring out whether or not your county is one of the counties that will determine how your state's electoral votes will go and then taking it from there. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778561

Living in a solid red or a solid blue state gives you a lot of freedom to use your vote to say exactly what you want it to say. So does living in a solid red or solid blue county in a purple state.