She’s about to get Obama’ed by an old white man?!?”

[Playinghardball]

The National Memo ?@NationalMemo · 8h8 hours ago
"She’s about to get Obama’ed by an old white man?!?” http://www.nationalmemo.com/late-night-roundup-feeling-the-bern/ … #FeelTheBern

One political story was the talk of all the late night shows: The news that Bernie Sanders has overtaken Hillary Clinton in a poll of the New Hampshire primary.

Larry Wilmore asked: “Is this happening again? A candidate of passion is about to overtake Hillary? She’s about to get Obama’ed by an old white man?!?”

More here: http://www.nationalmemo.com/late-night-roundup-feeling-the-bern/

[jalan48]

1. LOL!!

[guillaumeb]

2. "A candidate of passion" is an interesting way to describe the Sanders campaign.

On Sunday we went to the McHenry County Fair. McHenry County is locate about 50 miles northwest of Chicago. It is a predominantly rural county. Crystal Lake is the largest town.

As we were walking through the Fair, I noticed a Sanders booth. The 2 volunteers were quite passionate and knowledgeable about Sanders' positions. We had an interesting discussion. They mentioned that there are quite a few Sanders supporters in their area.

I did NOT see any booths for other Democratic or GOP Presidential candidates.

The passion is definitely there.

[merrily]

7. His passion is contagious and many people are desperate and/or fed up.

Did you tell them about our little group?

[guillaumeb]

53. I am sorry to say that I did not talk about DU.

But I did talk to a friend of mine this morning and mentioned the Sanders booth in McHenry county. My friend mentioned that he had been in Dupage County (in the Chicago area) on Saturday. Dupage County is an area that, like McHenry County, generally trends Republican.

My friend mentioned that Sanders was one of the topics of conversation. He said that people were talking about his (Sanders) common sense ideas. He mentioned that there was enthusiasm there also.

I know that one meme at DU is that Sanders also appeals to likely or presumptive GOP voters. This appeal is framed as a negative by some at DU, but my feeling is that this polling shows that Sanders economic populism appeals to people on both sides of the political spectrum. This "cross political" appeal is actually a strength, not a weakness. In my opinion, of course.

PS. I forgot to mention that my friend and his brother both donated $100 to the Sanders campaign and are interested in volunteer work. I promised to let him know when I saw any news about Sanders and his organization. When I do see something on DU I will send him a link.

[merrily]

55. In 2008, there were supposedly "Obamacans," Republicans who were going to vote for Obama.

I was on another board then, but no Democrat faulted Obama for that. There were also Republicans who changed registration to vote for Hillary, just to make sure she was not the Democratic nominee. Anyone who thinks that was because they were more afraid to run against her than they were to run against Obama is either clueless in general, or has amnesia about the 2008 primary.

You'd think Democrats would be glad for a Democratic candidate who can draw Republican votes. If they were saying they were going to vote for Hillary, I strongly suspect it would be a bragging point, not a negative.

At some point, posters in this group need to stop worrying about what posters in other groups are saying.

[jwirr]

56. We forget that "economic populism" just means politics that appeal to

the people and it often crosses party lines. We are in great need in this country for a policy that addresses the real problems of the people who have to live with those policies.

Bernie addresses all of these. We are all effected by the issues he is talking about and that has nothing to do with party when it is on the local level. I do not hear any of the other candidates addressing this. Talking about women's issue is important but does anyone thing that the general economic and social problems are unimportant to women?

[Marty McGraw]

60. Dupage County

Dupage County is an area that, like McHenry County, generally trends Republican.

I wonder if the word 'Dupe' derived from this area?

[guillaumeb]

74. I can understand WHY you might think so.

Given that these areas are generally not upper income areas, it does seem like people are voting against their own interests. But the 1% has convinced many Americans that the interests of the 1% are common interests.

Welcome to DU.

[hifiguy]

38. Interesting. I remember how Jimmy Carter beat the bushes

(so to speak) and went to every mousehole and one-stoplight town for two years and got the drop on everyone,

Times of course have changed,and the money available to a corporatist like HRH is enormous but there is now social media, crowdsourcing and a lot of new media outlets. Bernie's strategy is starting to look like a modernized version of Jimmy Carter's.

[guillaumeb]

54. Money is a huge factor, of course,

but Paul Wellstone showed how organization and enthusiasm can overcome money.

Plus the size of the crowds showing up at Sanders' events is amazing. That is enthusiasm, not money, driving the crowds.

[JDPriestly]

58. I attended the Sanders rally in Los Angeles on Monday night.

The size of the crowd was impressive. But even more amazing was the patience of all of us who lined up to wait to get in. We got there around 5 p.m. for a 6 p.m. rally and barely made it into the stadium. We stood in line for close to an hour, and that was after having ridden a number of trains just to get to the area of the Stadium.

The quiet determination of Bernie's supporters, the cooperation and peacefulness of Bernie's supporters is what will put Bernie over the top.

And now we have organizational tips and materials at Bernie's site.

A lot of the people who back Bernie have organized to improve peoples lives for a long time. We are not the movie moguls or the oil producers.

We are the people who help people, teachers, nurses, workers, doctors, lawyers, social workers, students, ministers, the people who know how to communicate with people and who can explain what Bernie stands for to people.

Bernie's campaign is going to be something that Americans have never seen.

[Marty McGraw]

61. Thank you JDP

For spreading the word and your efforts. I hope to becoming more involved myself here shortly. so far it's just donations.

[gordianot]

3. ... and who is it the next gen millennials are raving about as their discovery?

Thank heavens for Colbert and his truthiness.

[Arugula Latte]

5. My (teen) kids and their friends are really into Bernie.

It's so cool to see them so engaged. They went to the big Portland rally, too, as did many of their friends.

[gordianot]

8. That is what my daughter also says.

She works at an upper middle class private college historically very conservative area and overwhelmingly pro Sanders. She finished her Masters got a job in student services the students tell her how worried they are about their futures. They do not show up in poll numbers but they are there and are into getting results. Also at age 25 she says she does not discuss politics as a professional, they come to her and demand to know where she stands.

[CentralMass]

17. I noticed a lot if young people at the Portland event and on the train tide back.We were

Holding Bernie posters by then. I had some good conversation with a few. Smart engaged kids concerned about the issues that Bernie is bringing to the forefront in this election. I have hope that this next generation may change things for the better.

[eissa]

20. My kids as well

One is in high school and obviously can't vote, but she's signed up to intern at our local Bernie volunteer group. My college boy, however, is VERY excited about Bernie, and this is HUGE for me. He's always been one of those "both parties are the same, I'm not going to vote, blah, blah, blah" types, which led to many arguments. I have never seen him this into an election. Makes me feel really proud!

[gordianot]

22. My daughter a Democrat is strongly on board

She is having trouble containing herself. This reminds me of 1979 and the kids reaction to Reagan. Suddenly Reagan and conservatism became the way for young people to go. It was a generational shift are we witnessing another generational shift?

[azmom]

27. My daughter and her friends, at an

All women's college, are big Bernie supporters.

They refer to him as Uncle B

[gordianot]

29. Media does not seem to have a clue how this is trending.

[hifiguy]

39. And they have no interest in finding out, either.

Which is more proof that the media are wholly owned tools of the tenth-percenters, who would be quite content with either HRH or Jebbie.

[azmom]

48. They are also owning this Anti-Bernie poster

[link:http://[IMG][/IMG]|




Some comments: Fuck yeah, I'll vote for that.

Giving me shit I need, while riding a unicorn, best candidate ever.

Socialism, I'm down with that

[gordianot]

50. We are paying for it.

A few less examples of the flying pig F-35 that is bested by older generation aircraft should do the trick. Do your business here get rich pay your taxes for the privilege.

[azmom]

51. Isn't that the truth. I am so glad Bernie stepped up

To lead this political revolution.

[sabrina 1]

32. Uncle B, that's really cute! He would be a great uncle to have.

[merrily]

9. Why are you posting in the Bernie Group?

[gordianot]

11. Why are you interpreting I should not?

I am thrilled at his real at his real and growing support. My daughter who is a supporter has to appear non partisan. I am not and have associated myself as Democratic Socialist bleeding heart liberal for at least 50 years. Guess I am not welcome here will take that to heart. Great way to alienate people.

[merrily]

25. I wasn't sure what you were saying, so I asked. Glad to know you and your daughter are supporters.

Of course you are welcome.

[gordianot]

28. "Obama'd by an old white man" original title of the thread.

It has been 40 years since I have seen a Democratic Presidential candidate I can support as much as I do Sanders. Age, racial identity, gender identity, religious non religious affiliation, mean nothing to me. He reminds me of the heroes of my youth.

To those who have made recent discoveries in political theory, I got to talk to those students something is happening there is a true generational shift in the making it was delightful to hear them tell me why they like Sanders and what they are discovering. I never let on and just listened.

I also have a friend who had a bad reaction and was barred from DU over BLM. As I expected in the real world that is being resolved DU is but a shadow of the real world. I have a much clearer understanding how some perceptions arrived where they are today on DU.

Think it best I avoid the Sanders group.

[sabrina 1]

33. Please don't do that. I always enjoy your posts and would miss them terribly in Bernie's group.

I totally agree with you that there is a real generational shift. Occupy Wall St was the first public manifestation of that. Bernie was an early supporter of OWS and they are now supporting him.

DU in no way represents the Real World, however a lot of people read here who may not be members, can't blame them for that, watching some of what goes on here.

You are very welcome in this group, I hope you know that!

[gordianot]

42. Thank you for the kind words.

Here I go violating what I said about not posting on the Sanders group. Very early on DU it was relayed to me you never know to whom you are speaking. Identity means nothing you choose to reveal what you want. Some very generalized statements about the Sanders group has recently surfaced; arrogant, intrusive even white supremist.As you know Sanders group that is not true.

A friend recently lost it and got kicked off DU over BLM. We used to banter back and forth in emails but had far more in common than we disagreed. I can just about hear her say I told you. The Sanders group has a real opportunity. The one incident of turf protection has left me furious it should not after all this is an anonymous message board..

What I have taken away is that others are seeing the same thing. Young people are jumping on the Sanders bandwagon and it has started very recently. It almost makes me feel like I am eighteen again but I am not. Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Jerry Litton, Paul Wellstone are gone. Bernie Sanders is still here and has been saying the same thing for decades and those kids are listening. Does anyone realize what a rare opportunity? Sanders is filling a need I hope he is up to it.
Sanders group try not to alienate potential customers it does not matter who you are especially on an anonymous message board. I am still angry all out of proportion to the challenge. It is best I stay away from the primary boards. Thank you Sabrina.

[sabrina 1]

59. Yes, it is very encouraging to see so many young people engaged in what is after all, their own

future. I doubt what goes on here has even the remotest impact on the world outside this forum. So focusing on issues is the best thing to do.

Clearly Bernie's momentum hasn't been affected by DU lol!

I think before he decided to run, Bernie was very tuned in to the people, he stayed in touch with them, he knew they were angry.

The inside DC political class doesn't seem to have a clue they are so out of touch with real people.

So they continue to use the old political tactics, they very thing people are sick and tired of, to try to smear and distort the record of the only person in the race who has actually fought for the issues that people care about.

It must be frustrating for them to see the total failure of those old tactics because they don't know why.

Bernie has an army of volunteers who are setting the record straight each time a new talking point or smear is 'unveiled'.

Here's how I judge Bernie supporters. Most of whom are not here on DU engaging in useless non productive arguments with people who clearly are not here to talk about issues.

They are out in the real world, and all over Social Media, promoting their candidate and have done an incredible job so far to the point where he is now an undeniably viable candidate.

It's easy to get bogged down sometimes in the personal stuff, but it's important to me to stay focused on what really matters.

Many people are gone from this forum, either banned or left because of the vitriol and the pushing of a smear campaign against Sanders.

The one I miss the most is Jackpine Liberal who passed away recently and who was one of the most thoughtful, intelligent contributors to this group. That was a real shock. I wish he had lived to see Bernie's success so far.

Those on timeout, can return. He cannot, which puts things in perspective for me re those who are temporarily unable to post here.

Take care and I hope we see more of your posts, but understand if we do not.

[JackInGreen]

37. Everybodies SUPER touchy

and Poe's law seems to be presiding over everything. Please don't go Gordianot.

[merrily]

65. I am sorry that you feel that way.

I wish I could bake you a cake or make some other similar gesture.

[valerief]

16. Bernie is the "old white man" in OP. nt

[JackInGreen]

21. Merrily

I'm pretty sure that was positive flavored goofyness.

[merrily]

70. Thanks. I tried.

[Betty Karlson]

35. Sanders is campaigning on 21st century themes. Clinton is merely campaigning for the 21st century.

Even when Clinton manages to win the nomination, it will be the last time anyone could win on 20th century campaign themes.

[gordianot]

44. Great observation

Or maybe the 21st century has caught up to Sanders. His message is very consistent.

2nd violation of my pledge to stay off Primary groups on DU

[Betty Karlson]

67. The millennials are a growing voter block, and their median concerns

were first raised ( but ignored at the time) when Reagan started his toxic reforms. That more or less overlaps with Sanders' career, doesn't it?

[bvar22]

4. DURec.

With Jon gone...Larry is the only game in town.
I've been watching him this last week,
and discovered that he is hilarious and direct........ same as Jon.

[merrily]

10. I like him, too. I have watched his show since it began.

He used to do a "Keeping it 100" segment at the end of the show that I really liked. I don't know why they dropped it.

Hey, if Gilmore is surprise, can you imagine Hillary?

[valerief]

15. Don't forget John Oliver on HBO. Amazingly informative and hilarious.

But I'm also a big Larry fan, too.

[JimDandy]

30. I've watched Larry from day 1.

He is masterful and his 'monologue' is great. How the comedian round table goes every night is really dependent on who the guest comedians are, though.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. I'd like to point out that his guests are not all comedians and that's purposful.

His panels are actually of a more unpredictable make up than any panel show I've ever seen. The professions, genders, races and ages of his panel vary greatly and that is such a beautiful thing.

[artislife]

6. *chortle nt

[L0oniX]

12. Noting new term for a Hillary primary loss: Obama’ed

[daleanime]

14. +1

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. I heard someone say that they other day!!

[merrily]

23. Berned.

[azmom]

45. Love it

[valerief]

13. I've been a big Larry fan from the start. I'm so glad he has that slot.

Also, I love-love-love Mike Yard on his show. He cracks me up.

[merrily]

24. +1

[KT2000]

18. Love Larry Wilmore

He has a fresh take on things and he is funny too! You never know what he is going to come up with. Especially loved the "Resting bitch face" discussion.

[merrily]

26. The night he had Luntz on, Luntz asked the audience to show by applause

if they were supporting Bernie or Hillary. The applause for Bernie was much louder than the applause for Hillary. Both Gilmore and Luntz seemed taken aback.

[walkthewalkorstfu]

31. Luntz operates in a bubble hence his surprise at reality

I am so looking forward to seeing the look on HRC's face when she is Berned in NH!

Outside of the internet I do not know a single living breathing person who will cast a vote for HRC.

IMHO her 'support', voters, as being reported in the national media is all smoke and mirrors.

Her support by the 1% and Corporations is very real tho, that is who she really represents and works for.

[merrily]

34. She will smile, what else?

Polls favor her, but there is no poll like the voting booth; and the first primary is still four plus months away.

[walkthewalkorstfu]

66. Not in private in public she will but I want to see the look on her face when she is told by a

staffer she just lost NH.

[merrily]

68. You'll just have to imagine it.

I read that they are already planning for the possibility. Even losing both NH and Iowa, though I think she may win Iowa, especially with Harken's endorsement. That was a disappointment, especially since last year, he intimated she was too far right for him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025541280

I don't vote based on endorsements. I hope not many do.

[merrily]

43. Yet he makes millions because of his alleged political expertise.

[Babel_17]

40. It's the level of input that groups of people are getting

People who are more laid back are several months behind in their perception of how well the Sanders campaign is doing. In other words, they aren't aware that he's a real choice. (as are a few others)

If all I had to choose from was the extraordinarily well funded, and well staffed, campaign of HRC, and that of some starry eyed hopefuls with barely enough money to rent an office, I might figure HRC had it in the bag and was our logical choice.

This is where the debates are important. Everyone on stage as equals and selling themselves. This is part of why HRC loyalist DWS is is inclined to delay the debates.

[merrily]

41. Yes, I know why the debates are limited, delayed AND exclusive. It's not okay.

This is why our donations and our volunteer work is critical.

Media, political memes, inside the Beltway types, everything, everything, is stacked against him. And therefore against us and against democracy.

[Babel_17]

46. I hope we can get a groundswell to form in opposition to this arbitrary scheduling

Vibrant debates are good for turnout and for fundraising. The upside to the current schedule is blatantly obvious and hopefully in due time will get more attention.

It will become at least a small elephant in the room as the Republican debates go on and engage the media. Well, if the issue gets raised in a serious manner by credible commentators. The DWS connection to HRC is another thing. It would only look basically OK if we were just going about affirming Secretary Clinton and, instead of just preparing for crowning her as our candidate, we weren't having such a surprising well contested competition for the Democratic candidacy.

Well, surprise, surprise, surprise, it no longer looks basically OK. And on reflection, is this why I'm not seeing all that much of DWS going in front of interviewers?

[merrily]

47. Aren't you on Bernie's mailing list?

He has circulated internet petitions about this, as has change.org. Change.org also demonstrated at DNC headquarters BEFORE Debbie Republican Schultz announced the schedule.


Original estimate was August/September, then September/October. Don't be too surprised if the announce the first one has been pushed back.

As far as Deb, Scarborough skewered her about this. She stonewalled. Just kept repeating again and again that she was glad that all candidates will be able to participate.

[Babel_17]

49. I'm on the list and I signed the petition but I have to admit that wasn't on my mind

I'm on the list and I signed the petition but I have to admit that wasn't on my mind when posting. I sometimes have a one track mind and I was thinking in terms of the kind of "taking on" that occurs from either prominent mainstream journalists, or the new breed of upstart journalists like Matt Taibbi.

"Scarborough skewered her about this"

Thanks! I cut the cable TV cord and I otherwise failed to take that in. I'm now looking forward to googling that.

[libdem4life]

62. Debbie Republican Shultz...took me a second...good one ! Too true.:(

[merrily]

64. Thanks. According to what I've read on DU, she's endorsed Republicans.

[LynneSin]

52. Hey, it ain't over yet........

You folks might not have the right 'old white guy' yet

Just saying....

[libdem4life]

63. He is a treasure. Love the image.

[smokey nj]

69. This is poor form. Just sayin'.

Take this nonsense to the Biden group.

[LynneSin]

72. I only responded because this was on the DU front page

i don't go into the group. And I like Bernie. Would never say anything bad about the guy. Just saying the race is about change

[smokey nj]

73. How you got to this thread is irrelevant and this isn't

the only post if this type you've made in this group. Once is an accident, twice - not so much. If you want to promote Biden, do it in GD-Pee. The Bernie Sanders Group isn't for you. Just sayin'.

[merrily]

71. I have the correct candidate, the one who voted against invading Iraq.

against repeal of Glass Steagall, against DOMA and so on. The candidate who has always on the right side of history. I don't give anymore of a shit about my candidate's hue, gender, ethnicity or religion, than I did in 2008, when Obama was my candidate.