The RUMOR that Biden MIGHT run has received more msm coverage than Bernie's campaign.

[merrily]

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Same, of course, for coverage of asshair Trump's run, but at least being the current Republican frontrunner gives media cover for that.

Same for Hillary's starting to run paid ads. (For crissake, when did running a paid ad become an event that media announced in advance?)

In particular, MSNBC, which is aimed specifically at Democrats (for now, anyway), is dead to me.

If ever there was any doubt who is NOT the candidate of the 1%, the behavior of the msm has ended it.

It REALLY is all up to us and Bernie. This should be a greater incentive to work as though the well being of you and your family depends on it. It does.

[JackInGreen]

1. Given what we're trying to start

in regards to the Political Revolution, it always was up to us.
We'll do it too.

[merrily]

2. That's the spirit!

[Sherman A1]

3. the media

in these campaigns (and pretty much everything else) is always about the "horse race" and the "shiny object" it is rarely about anything beyond that. Having any expectations of the media will usually lead to great disappointment.

For entertainment watch it's reports following the GOP debates. Each one will have a new victor and then that victor will be unthroned following the next debate.

[merrily]

7. The media very much has an agenda in politics that is about money, not the race or the shiny object.

Shiny objects are used to get us to focus on anything but the real issues, much as a magician uses distraction.

[cantbeserious]

4. Biden Seems To Be A Fine Man - The MSM Is Desperate For An Establishment Candidate

The people and Bernie scare the hell out of the establishment because the establishment will loose some control and in that process some of their sacred profits.

With Biden, like HRC, it will be business as usual.

[retrowire]

19. THIS.

Well said.

[2banon]

64. Exactly. Since Clinton's brilliant move to nail the public airwaves coffin in 1996, the M$M has

made it patently clear what their agenda is and will always be forever more. I cut the chord with cable and satellite some years ago and have yet to regret a single moment of it.

yes I've missed a few special gems which managed to squeak through the gatekeepers every once in a Blue Moon, but those are generally posted and you know what? they're not getting a single wooden nickle from my bank account to pad theirs or in order to control the message.

That's something we can all do en masse and immediately.

CUT THE CHORD from the Ministries of Propaganda and Department of Misinformation! .

[dreamnightwind]

5. Yep. The revolution will not be televised.

We'll see whether that means it won't happen. More work for us, looking forward to it.

[merrily]

15. I wish the campaign would send us some leaflets! It's summer and I am willing to stand in the

street, even during a dangerous heat wave, and pass them out. I can always duck into the a/c and keep ice water handy. However, if Boston's winter this year is anything like last year's, standing outside to pass out leaflets is going to be flat out impossible. Well, possible for a few minutes, until I freeze to death in the snow.

[Ed Suspicious]

50. Yes. I want material as well. Wisconsin winter is not the greatest time to make connections

in the outdoors.

[dreamnightwind]

55. Yeah, let's find out about that

Even in my area (very progressive coastal northern California) there is little if any Bernie presence on the street, or on bumper/window stickers either. Many Bernie supporters here, not much visibility. Time to change that.

I had thought of printing my own stickers and indicating on my vehicle (or some other way) that I would give them out to anyone wanting one, might be worth a try. I could afford to do it a little, if a lot of people want them I might try to recoup costs, would rather just give them away though. Haven't decided on a design yet, have been meaning to do a thorough review of the Bernie graphics out there. I know there's a good Redditt thread on Bernie graphics, probably other places too.

I think this is the correct Redditt link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/34qpvz/official_graphic_design_megathread/

They gave everyone a free Bernie window sticker at the Bernie meeting I attended last week. I had assumed the event organizers did those on their own dime, but maybe the campaign actually supplied them? That would be helpful and a good use of campaign money.

Leaflets and tabling are excellent ways to increase visibility and stoke up the Bern.

[merrily]

61. GREAT LINK. Thanks. Maybe you should make it an OP?

It leads to leaflets in English and Spanish that we can print out.

Bumper stickers: The campaign was giving them out free on facebook.

However, https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/free-bernie-sticker

For now, the store sells them, 3 for $5.

[JDPriestly]

56. Go to Bernie's website.

He has position papers on a lot of issues plus news reports. Get a cheap printer, some paper (pool resources with others working with you), print those papers out, set up a table and if someone can make a banner (some people can print those out) or if you can just get some poster-board and make it yourself, put up a sign. You are in business. Wear a Bernie tee-shirt if you can afford one or a Bernie pin if you can't. You don't really have to have a table. Just carry a bag of printed out pages. Hand them out. The very amateurishness of it will reassure people. I have done this for causes and for candidates in the past.

DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANYONE. DON'T TRY TO PERSUADE SOMEONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU.

You will not persuade someone who has made up his/her mind. You can, however, be friendly and kind to them, and they will think highly of you and like you. Bernie's papers and speeches are probably in their interest. If you argue, no matter how persuasive your arguments, you scare people. No one likes to be made to feel stupid. And if your arguments are overwhelmingly strong and make the person you are talking to feel small, you are defeating Bernie's purpose.

Bernie's entire campaign is about speaking up for those who are confused and afraid of changing our system. They may or may not be employed, but rest assured, very few Americans are happy with their jobs or the employer/employee relationship which is still deeply rooted in the master/servant relationship that arose out of the Middle Ages. People deserve and need respect -- for their ideas, for their needs, for their efforts and for their work. And our system gives most of us very little respect, much less security or financial remuneration for all of the things that we give to others and to our society.

So don't browbeat people just because they disagree with you. Respect everyone and their struggle. Remember. We are all struggling. And in our country, we need to be more honest about that fact and build a network in our society that supports each of us as we struggle.

About Bernie's "socialism." I could be wrong but based on what he says, I do not think he is speaking of the common ownership of much of what we ordinary people think of as our personal and real property. I think he is more thinking of the network I spoke of above that should support us all in our struggle in life -- like free college -- like free day care for pre-school children -- like family leave for parents of very young children so that they do not have to be in what is basically institutional care, like Social Security, like a healthcare system that really covers everyone at a reasonable price, like safe bridges, roads, infrastructure, like environmental policy that will make life on earth possible for a good, long time, like a policy that underwrites and encourages scientific study and discovery including support of medical research among other things, etc.

And it is important, I think that we share Bernie's position papers on his website with others.

My question is whether there is some way to show Bernie's speeches to people at a table. Can I download them to my computer so that I can watch them without an internet connection? I'm not savvy about these things.

Remember when you talk to voters not to argue with anyone. First, it puts you in a bad mood and you are not effective in speaking with others. Everyone is your friend when you are tabling or talking to voters. Give everyone a chance to tell you what they think. Listen carefully. You will learn so much and get ideas about how to present your own ideas well. What are the concerns and needs of the people you talk to? Would Benie's ideas, position papers, speeches respond to any of their concerns and needs? You want a conversation, not a fight. Fights do not win friends.

I have watched many people with little experience in campaigns make two major mistakes: trying to win "converts" through argument (does not work) and not knowing their candidate's stances on the issues (why is the person volunteering if they haven't carefully considered the stances of their candidate? oh, well.)

Instead of arguing, ask questions. See where a person stands. Learn so that next time you will have the answers out there for that person and someone who agrees with him before the question is asked out loud. Are you worried about Bernie's "socialism"? Here is what he means -- and have quotations and information from him on the issue -- and here is why I think we have gone too far in the other direction.

So just know your candidate, be ready to answer questions, don't argue, ask questions. By asking questions and patiently listening to the other person's answers, you can set off a creative exchange that enriches your life and the other person's life and helps your candidate.

[merrily]

62. Thanks. Reply 35 has a great link.

The kind of socialist Bernie is


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12806844

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779589

[jwirr]

58. I also think that we need those little quotes from Bernie that we have been putting on facebook

etc. We need to get them into areas that he is not so well known in. I still put a lot of things on my facebook but others need to keep that up.

[merrily]

63. Good idea!

[JDPriestly]

6. The MSM has never reported on the horrible long-term effects that the

crash of 2008 has had on the world and on the lives of many, many Americans.

It seems to live in a different world than most of us do.

Is there any DUer who doesn't have a friend or family member or didn't him- or herself suffer the loss of a job, the loss of a home, the end of a marriage, the loss of savings, etc. due to the crash of 2008? Has anything really been done to make good on what was, and people don't realize this, after all, a series of "mistakes" made by the financial leadership of our country, that is a series of big mathematical errors with regard to numbers and formulas used to figure risks by the mortgage industry?

Has anyone really even analyzed what those errors were in the mathematical formulas that were used? Has anyone really ever asked the questions about why and how Wall Street so stupidly invested in sub-prime mortgages and how the huge "mistakes" were made?

We did not really hear the full and true story about that crash. We never did in my opinion.

And because of that, the same people are still in the top positions in our economy, and the people who lost out, the little people, teachers and plumbers and truck drivers and even nurses and doctors and people who worked in stores, etc. the rest of us, have been left to deal with lower wages, lost homes, disruption in our personal lives that we were not in a position to avoid (and I say we but I am not among those who suffered; I just have friends and family who suffered unfairly and through no fault of their own).

Among those who lost out have been a lot of small business owners. I forgot to mention that. The bitterness there is also great. Some of the losses are due to structural changes in our economy, the move to ordering products on the internet included. But it is not just what you think of as "poor people" who are bitter about the economic chaos of 2008. And the popularity of the Tea Party movement attests to that.

The MSM has covered the story in a pretty cold, well we are rid of that now aren't we, fashion. It has left a lot of people out of the picture, on the economic sidelines. We are going to find out the extent of the damage over the next 15 years as the people in their 50s who lost jobs and homes and savings begin to retire with nothing into a retirement status that assumes that everyone has a home and a 401(K). It's going to be grim for some.

It is out of the friends and relatives and victims of this cruel economic reality that Bernie's supporters have arisen. And Biden is a nice guy, but there is no way he is going to be able to respond to the particular pain of the losers in the economy over the past 8-12 years. No way. He will hardly even chip anything off of the Bernie block. And i think that is why they are floating the possibility of his candidacy at this time. He is known to be a friend of unions and working people. But he has been too silent in the face of too much pain since 2008 and, nice guy that he is, I don't think his candidacy is going to go much of anywhere. He just doesn't have the ability to express that anger and frustration that people need to have expressed. And what is more, he has been a part of the leadership that ignored the problems that are engendering tthe Bernie phenomenon.

Biden is likable but just not strong a candidate for this time. But the MSM can dream can't they?

[merrily]

9. "'WE' are rid of that because the banks and Wall Street have moved on. Main Street is still

suffering. The banksters got their bailouts and their bonuses and their settlement with the Obama administration, wrote down their losses and moved on. My relative and his wife are working 3.5 jobs between them plus trying to parent, up from 1.5 jobs before 2008. They have managed to hold on to their home, but they could not re-finance or sell because it was so far underwater.

The causes of the 2008 meltdown were, more than anything, repeal of Glass Steagall and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, both lobbied for by Wall Street, Greenspan and the Clinton White House and and both signed by President Clinton.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778045

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=9158

Accomplices were the banksters, AIG, appraisers, lenders, mortgage loan originators, lawyers, accouonting firms, etc. anyone associated with that mess.

I know a lawyer, then just out of law school, who represented firms offering mortgage derivative securities to the public. He went to the partner who was supervising him and said, "This is wrong." The partner replied simply, "If we don't do it, someone else will." After it hit the fan, I read of a story of an investment banker who had exactly the same experience in his firm, but he was powerful and able to isolate his division from participating.


President Obama hired many of the same Clinton WH economic advisors that had lobbied for those two bills. If media gave two cares about Main Street* there would have been a media outcry then and now.


*MSNBC show host and "self-avowed socialist," Lawrence O'Donnell, hired Goolsbee as consultant for West Wing, a series that seems to have been designed to explain and glorify the Clinton Admiinstration to the public. (The other consultant for the series was DeeDee Myers, who campaigned for Clinton and served as his first press secretary. Do the math.) For a socialist and show host on a supposedly Democratic network, O'Donnell sure gives Sanders lousy coverage. (See also, Madam Secretary)

[JDPriestly]

52. Thank you. A search of employment lawsuits filed in courts around

the country against banks and mortgage companies would tell an interesting story, I suspect. Same for the files of unemployment claim agencies.

Thanks again.

[Enthusiast]

30. +1 a whole bunch!

[daleanime]

40. Hell yes....

[djean111]

8. The media knows where the big CU money is coming from.

The Biden thing is just temporary news, unless he actually declares. The news there is that he would pull support from Hillary, not Bernie.

[merrily]

12. Thing is, since when does a rumor that someone might run get more coverage than an verified campaign

that is already underway?

[djean111]

16. It is a trial balloon. The news has always been manipulated.

Hillary has already spent millions on TV ads. Much more to come.
Bernie is not going to get much traction in the media unless he wins the nomination and then is backed with big money. Or Hillary falters. I think she will overload folks on TV ads. Those who watch ads on TV, anyway.

Biden will make it more of a horse race, I think, because the polling differences will tighten; I don't know if he will peel away rabid HRC supporters, but he would appeal to conservative Dems who have not thought about making a choice yet. That's a key thing - we are all partisan here, but I think most voters are not really going to care about this stuff, this early in the campaign. They would, actually, just get tired of seeing a year's worth of ads. Start to tune them out. The candidates may have the money and the supporters, but they don't really know how most people will vote once election day rolls around. The big job will be getting people to the polls for the primaries.

Vote for "candidate"! Sometime next year! Not real compelling. The enthusiasm now is from the GOTV folks, not necessarily voters.

[merrily]

17. The msm is as manipulated as it wants to be, to suit its own interests.

Helping Bernie is not in its own interests. So, it covers him as little as possible and, when it feels it has no choice but to cover him or lose what is left of its credibility entirely, it makes sure to condescend and/or tell us he will not be the nominee--as though they owned a crystal ball.

[djean111]

21. Yep. I am not going to stress out about it. Since we cannot change it, we have to

work around it. The news has not been credible to me since I walked past less than ten people demonstrating about the EU or something, in Copenhagen, they were surrounded by twice as many CNN reporters and technicians. Back at the hotel, 20 minutes later, turned on CNN international - CNN had brought their cameras in very tightly, and called it a huge demonstration. I recognized some of the demonstrators. Breaking fake news.
I do trust The Guardian, because they have a huge bequest of money, and can be threatened by the government, but cannot be bought and subverted.

[merrily]

23. Our need to work around it is the point of the OP. I did not know that about the

Guardian. I did not know that about Copenhagen, but we lived that in the US during the small and short-lived Tea Party demonstrations. Msm ignored Occupy until two days before it began negative coverage. However, a dozen morans showing up with teabags were covered like a mass movement.

[JDPriestly]

53. The Guardian is the news source that I kind of trust.

The rest I read with caution. Very unreliable.

And I would like to know what is really going on in the world. I don't have a preconceived idea. But I have learned from experience that the usual American news sources are completely unreliable.

This is not new. I lived overseas, returned to the US quite a number of years ago and was shocked to see the reporting. I also like to read some of the foreign news sources. Oddly enough, Austria has some small newspapers that are pretty good. But now some of the European ones are not what they used to be -- not as thorough or as independent.

[SmittynMo]

10. Rumor?

I will tell you this. Anyone with a CPAC will get MSM's attention.

Why you ask?

Because a majority of people do not realize that both CPAC controlled politicians and MSM are controlled by the 1%'s corrupt money.

This country is being bought and paid for by the 1%.

I personally feel that if we do not stop this insane corruption, the middle class will disappear. And if the GOP gets in there, it will happen much faster.

[merrily]

13. That is my point.

I personally feel that if we do not stop this insane corruption, the middle class will disappear.

Easier said than done, given that media and politicians are as corrupt and self-serving as the 1%. But, we're trying--and, more to the point, so is Bernie. He said the middle class is in danger of disappearing within a generation.

[SmittynMo]

20. Debates?

I can't wait for the debates. Bernie will destroy them with the TRUTH!!! And he'll get air time.

Mike Malloy, for what he's worth, made a point in a prior post(video) yesterday. The Dems are possibly going to experiment with Biden, because Hilliary is losing ground big time. In the mean time, Bernie has soared.

Mike made a big point of insiders(manipulators and bullshitters) and outsiders(truth sayers). CPAC = insiders, Non CPAC = outsiders. Only insiders get the air time, even though the outsiders are probably the most correct on all matters and tell the truth. The outsiders are the only ones that know something has to change politically, or we're all going to live in poverty. We're definitely heading towards an oligarchy unless something is done. And it may already be too late. It's kinda sad.

[djean111]

22. Remember, the questions and response time may be tailored for Hillary.

And debate footage will be cherry-picked for Dean scream moments.

[merrily]

25. Excellent points. We have to be ready for anything.

Then again, I've been wondering: why do we even call them debates anymore? They're timed speeches, given after a moderator asks a relatively predictable question.

I wish I could watch the Kennedy Nixon debate, to see what it was like before the bipartisan commission on debates faked them up.

[DeeDeeNY]

27. Have debates been announced for Dems?

It would be nice to know.

[merrily]

34. Here you go.

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/

(Only in this group would I do that.)

[daleanime]

41. So August/September.....

has now become September/October?

What are the odds of it sliding to October/November? Or needing to cut the number down to 5 or 4 because of 'scheduling problems'?

[merrily]

43. Well, Netroots Nation schedules a year in advance.

But, I digress.......

With any kind of luck, the first debate could be scheduled for Thankgiving Day or Christmas Eve for, you know, maximum viewership

[hedda_foil]

66. I don't think we can put much faith in the debates.

I just hope they don't pull a Kucinich treatment on Bernie.

[SmittynMo]

67. I do

This will be a defining moment for the two leaders in current polling.

And the TRUTH shall set you free!!!!

Yep, that will do it!!!

[Enthusiast]

31. I will personally disappear if

they cut my SSDI.

[hedda_foil]

65. Do you mean "super PAC"?

CPAC is a big annual conference for right wingers, I believe.

[mother earth]

11. Agreed! K & R There is zero objectivity in MSM, it is all bought & paid for, just like their

corporate candidates. To hell with MSNBC too, they are actually worst for the pretense of being aimed at dems, a big sham. There will be a reckoning for this, there is a tipping point for everything. The pushback has to be massively overwhelming and as deliberate as this hijacking.

[merrily]

14. From your keyboard to the voters' ears, mother earth.

[Robbins]

18. MSNBC

with end of ed show they are as dead to me as fox and CNN.

[merrily]

24. To me as well.

(one of my favorite emoticons)

[Enthusiast]

32. Me too. We watched a few minutes of Rev last night but decided no more MSNBC for good.

[JackInGreen]

26. Like a small child with their fingers

In their ears screaming "LALALALALACANTHEARYOU" while running in circles looking for any distraction.

[merrily]

33. Yep

(another of my favorite emoticons)

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Biden is possibly a serious candidate who might want to win.

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Sanders, on the other hand, has signaled via his hair care regimen that he's not in it to win it: he just wants to make some point about some commie stuff.

Call me when Sanders can get more than six people on a street corner to listen to his ravings about "fairness" and "justice".

LOL!

Regards,

TWM

[merrily]

29. As usual, Third, you have no clue what you are talking about.

Also, as usual, I have a link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128010500

And look at my avatar--no wisps or straggles. See also:



So, DUers, I respectfully ask you: Who ya gonna believe? TWM or your own lyin' eyes?

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Poseur!

(And I am well-qualified to use that word as I am writing this while breakfasting at a place with a french name.)

Zut alors! A few snips cannot substitute for a full-blown crise de cheveux!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12760.html

Not Good Enough, Bernie!

Regards,

TWM

[merrily]

37. Believe it or not, I once wrote MTP an irate email about filming Biden

from the back of his head during most of the segment. Whenever they shot Russert's face, which they did when Russert spoke and at times while Biden was speaking, they shot from behind Biden's head. I never saw anything like it.

I don't know which stage of transplant he is in now, but, then, the camera angle they used showed he had a fringe in the front and a fringe in the back and nothing but bare skin and comb over attempt in between.

I asked sarcastically why they hadn't just used a crawl with the words "Biden is almost bald" at the bottom of the screen because that would have been equally obvious, but less distracting.

That may have been in 2008.

FYI: "Luncheonette" is not really a French word.

[MannyGoldstein]

51. It is *certainly* a French word

when I speak with my Pepé Le Pew accent, ma chère.

I can certainly believe that you'd attempt to interfere with the sacred right of the press to make damned sure that everyone in America knows the pattern of Joe's plugs. That's what you Lefty's do.

[merrily]

36. I should add: I also disagree that "kempt" hair is the sign of a winner.

I rest my case.

[MannyGoldstein]

38. But it takes Kemp hair to quarterback a VICTORY!

[merrily]

39. Tell it to President Rick Perry.

[MannyGoldstein]

42. Hmmm.

You may have won this round... but this isn't over, not by a long shot with bacon wrapped around the barrel.

[merrily]

46. NOT kosher! You're really cruisin' for a bruisin', too.

I refuse to be your foil while you fling insults around at Bernie.

https://munchies.vice.com/articles/cooking-bacon-on-the-barrel-of-your-gun-is-the-most-american-thing-ever

Until next time, then, Third Way. Until next time.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

59. Or shower naked

with lots of black guys. LOL, remember that one?!

[historylovr]

44. Frustrating, but not unexpected.

The mainstream media is in the same bubble as those it so assiduously serves.

[merrily]

45. And for the same reasons: money and power.

[LWolf]

47. I've found this irritating.

I guess, since the DNC is finally, supposedly, announcing debate dates some time real soon, he's going to have to make up his mind.

I guess I shouldn't be irritated, though. I really believe that should he actually decide to run, he'll split HRC's support. And that's a good thing.

[merrily]

49. No sense getting irritated until we see if he gets in and, if he does, how he behaves.

I am suspicious, though.

[Zorra]

48. Oligarchs own and control the MSM, the MSM controls the collective mind of

the electorate who have poor critical thinking skills.

OOOooo, look at all the pretty squirrels!

No rocket science involved.

[valerief]

54. I'm pretty sure that was the purpose of it. To give Hillary competition so they can

ignore Bernie.

[merrily]

60. I am suspicious, I'll say that. We'll see soon enough, I guess.

[winter is coming]

57. Of course is does. Biden gives them a horse race that doesn't threaten the status quo. n/t