This question I have can only be asked in

[sadoldgirl]

a friendly forum, and I hope you won't get angry with me.

Considering all the young people, who love Bernie, are
volunteering for him, etc are essentially like the ones,
who helped Obama win.

Should HRC win the nomination will these same people
even vote? I have serious doubts about it. Many of us
may hold their nose and vote anyway, but will they?

[shraby]

1. They need to be made to understand if they don't vote, they will

toss the Supreme Court to the republicans to fill vacancies...and other judgeships.

[sadoldgirl]

4. I doubt that they will be showing interest

in that, since Bernie only mentions CU as a
reason to change it. They don't even realize
that there may be 3 openings for the next
president.

I don't want to tell Bernie how to run his campaign,
because he is doing it very well; however I wish when
he talks about the SCOTUS he would put a few other
lousy decisions out front, like voting rights, the Hobby
Lobby decision,etc. Still, I don't doubt that the huge
disappointment will lead to voter reduction.

[jwirr]

6. I think we need to give these kids more credit. Many of them are not here on DU but they have

their own site and they talk politics - when my grandson talked to me about supporting Bernie I asked him if he would vote for Hillary if Bernie lost. His answer was "I'll have to think about it."
There are many issues that they care about: net neutrality, birth control, healthcare, education, jobs, voting rights, civil rights, no more war.......

[sabrina 1]

14. Every young person I know who is a Bernie supporter fully understands

the issue of the SC and CU. That is WHY they are supporting Bernie Sanders. I'm sure there are some who don't, but hundreds of thousands of volunteers will make sure they do.

Bernie does indeed talk about the SC and has stated often that if he is elected he will NOT nominate anyone who is not committed to rescinding CU.

[SheilaT]

7. How much better that Bernie Sanders be the one

nominating new Supreme Court Justices.

Really, it's held out as if only Hillary would be doing that. I'd much rather the Bernie Sanders nominees at that level.

[eridani]

11. The thing about alienated voters is that lecturing them doesn't do any good

If they get involved and stay involved, they will figure out strategic voting. Like I said to one young voter who said he wouldn't vote unless Sanders got the nomination. "Sanders will put our national car in Drive, Clinton will put it in Neutral, but the Republicans will slam it into Reverse, perhaps permanently. If you are serious about the mass movement that Sanders is advocating, a mass movement can push a car in Neutral forward." At least I made him stop and think.

[jalan48]

2. I have wondered that too.

If Hillary wins we will hear the same reasoning that we have heard for decades. The Republicans are so bad even Hillary is better. We will be advised to consider appointments to the SC, LGBT and a woman's right to chose, etc. But on the questions of trade and finance it will be full speed ahead with the wishes of the moneyed interests. The environment is the over arching issue. Everything rests upon it, I'm waiting to hear how Hillary feels about this issue.

[99th_Monkey]

3. The 1% Meme Machine has Bernie coming and going on this one

Yes, there may be some marginal improvement with Hillary v. GOP candidate (fill in the blank) vis-a-vis
SCOTUS etc.

On the other hand, I've seen Bernie accused of being a "sheepdog" to herd progressives "into the Big
Tent" so they'll vote for Hillary in the GE.

coming and going.

Fuck that.

We're done with that crap and were dging to elect Bernie to POTUS in 2016!

[delrem]

15. An older Canadian, I remember "Trudeaumania" from when I was young.

The almost most beautiful thing about Trudeaumania is that history shows that it was well placed.
The most beautiful thing is how that history segued directly from the politics of Lester Pearson and Tommy Douglas.

That was inspirational politics to the very core.

(oh, I just have to shake my head free and cry, that our task this Oct '15 election is to put a finish to Stephen Harper. That corporate tool.)

eta: LiberalArkie - as a Canadian who interacted with Vietnam war draft dodgers up here in Canada, I want you to know that they were welcome. We were not reactionaries and we did not send them back.

From wiki:
"Draft dodgers

Estimates vary greatly as to how many Americans settled in Canada for the specific reason of dodging the draft or "evading conscription," as opposed to desertion, or other reasons. Canadian immigration statistics show that 20,000 to 30,000 draft-eligible American men came to Canada as immigrants during the Vietnam era. The BBC stated that "as many as 60,000 young American men dodged the draft." Estimates of the total number of American citizens who moved to Canada due to their opposition to the war range from 50,000 to 125,000 This exodus was "the largest politically motivated migration from the United States since the United Empire Loyalists moved north to oppose the American Revolution." Major communities of war resisters formed in Montreal, the Slocan Valley, British Columbia, and on Baldwin Street in Toronto, Ontario.

They were at first assisted by the Student Union for Peace Action, a campus-based Canadian anti-war group with connections to Students for a Democratic Society.This was led by campus chair Matthieu Charette in the United States. Canadian immigration policy at the time made it easy for immigrants from all countries to obtain legal status in Canada. By late 1967, draft dodgers were being assisted primarily by several locally based anti-draft groups (over twenty of them), such as the Vancouver Committee to Aid American War Objectorsand the Toronto Anti-Draft Programme.As a counselor for the Programme, Mark Satin wrote the Manual for Draft-Age Immigrants to Canada in 1968. It sold nearly 100,000 copies overall.

The influx of these young men, who (as mentioned earlier) were often well educated[8][24][25] and politically leftist, affected Canada's academic and cultural institutions, and Canadian society at large. These new arrivals tended to balance the "brain drain" that Canada had experienced. While some draft dodgers returned to the United States after a pardon was declared in 1977 during the administration of Jimmy Carter, roughly half of them stayed in Canada."

I really liked all these US Americans. Like, total enthusiasm, and I met many up north, where they had a pioneering joy in life that energized me.

[TBF]

8. My answer to that question is that

we need to make sure Bernie is the candidate so they are not faced with that question.

[aspirant]

12. If the youth vote in huge #'s the question is moot.

[TBF]

17. Right - the job is to educate so they vote

in the primary. When I went door to door before the primary in 2008 (here in TX) many voters really weren't clued in about the primary. Republicans know. Educate and GOTV is key.

[JackInGreen]

9. I sincerely

Hope they will.

[SoapBox]

10. Great question...

But, I just can't think about it.

Our house is not young...we think we used to like HRC, about a hundred years ago...but we do NOT like what she has become.

With all honesty, we don't know if we can vote for her...we have considered already, just writing in Bernie's name. Yup...we would get hell for that but some times one cannot just march along like a zombie because you are told to do so. It would be the first time in our lives, not to cast a vote for President.

[delrem]

13. Enthusiasm isn't transferable.

That's particularly true with respect a political movement that's advocating for a revolution in thinking.

One can't take the enthusiasm for Bernie and just pass it along to Hillary, because the enthusiasm isn't for Bernie as a person but for Bernie as a political advocate for real change and concrete action. Not even part of that enthusiasm is transferable to Hillary, and her campaign and supporters know it.

One of the most absurd political "memes" in this '16 primary campaign focusses on "will Bernie Sanders push Hillary Clinton to the left?". It's a push-polling type meme, of course, as it assumes that Hillary Clinton will win the primary contest. But beyond that, it's absurd because there's no question whatsoever that there's no chance that the leader of the DLC, the Third-Way corporatist wing of the Democratic Party, will be "pushed to the left" by anybody - any more than the oligarchy that she serves will be "pushed" anywhere. The DLC, the Third-Way, aren't defined with that kind of thing in mind. They are defined to serve the oligarchy. To see how absurd the question is, consider the adjoint: "will Hillary Clinton push Bernie Sanders to the right?" Heh.

[Scuba]

16. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\