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RichVRichV

(885 posts)
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:45 PM Jul 2015

Bernie's strategy.

People are constantly saying Bernie focuses too much on economic issues and ignores social issues. I think some people believe Bernie is so wrapped up in economics that he ignores everything else, that he's too one track minded. A lot of people view Hillary as a strategizer, one who's always playing for an edge, and Bernie as a preacher, someone ground in his beliefs and focused on them. I think a lot of people are selling Bernie short, he's way smarter than that. He's got a brilliant strategy and he's playing it to near perfection.


Bernie is the best candidate on social issues, he's always ahead of the curve and his record is impeccable. So why is he constantly being attacked on social issues? It's not because the attacks are true, they're blatantly false and easily disprovable. The answer is simple, as good as he is on social issues the other Democratic candidates are almost as good. While he might be ahead of the curve, the curve eventually catches up. There's not a whole lot that separates each of them. This is a subject that someone like Hillary (who is the front runner) can exploit to her advantage. If the focus of the campaign is just on social issues then it's hard to make up a lot of ground when there's little difference. The Hillary strategy is to pound social issues and keep Bernie on defending his social stances while she touts hers. Hence the never ending social attacks on Bernie. Her strategy isn't to gain ground (she already has most of it), it's to block him from gaining ground.


While the difference between candidates on social issues might be a razor's edge, the difference on economic issues is a wide chasm. There's no candidate that can come close to competing with him on his economic populism. Bernie knows this. That's why his focus is economics all the time. Oh he'll take the timely dives into social, environmental, and other issues which have always been very important to him, but he refuses to get off message about what truly separates him from the others. He doesn't need to spend all his time defending his social credentials because they're virtually perfect. Besides he has a legion of supporters to prove those credentials every time they're attacked. And contrary to what some people might claim or think he won't ignore social issues in office. He never has.


He has a laser like focus on economics because he knows that no other candidate in either party can come close to him on it. It's that message that is gaining him ground in large chunks and is going to carry him over every other candidate. He's going to keep pounding it until everyone in the country has heard it, with or without the help of the media.


As Bernie supporters it's our job to play defense so he doesn't have to (which shouldn't be too hard since we've got so many stats backing us up). We're the fact checkers and truth tellers. We can't let any smear go unchallenged. We also have to keep getting his message out to everyone so they can see what truly makes him above all the other choices.


Bernie has a strategy. The strategy and the message goes directly against the people who are in control, and it's working. That's what scares them so much.

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Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. Former Sec. Clinton's record on social issues is...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jul 2015

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...appalling. She may be talking a better game lately, but she's really running on things unrelated to how well she understands and helps vulnerable people/groups.

I want the focus to be on economics, because that's the root issue going on right now- and because that's Hillary's weakness. Her campaign is trying to downplay how badly RW policies have hurt the people of this nation, because she needs the money and support of the people who are doing it.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
4. Any Populist-Liberal-Progressive sounding policies coming from her ...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jul 2015

are pure triangulation ... She is paying lip service to the concerns of Bernie's supporters ...

I don't believe her 'conversion' for one minute .... I think her list of supporters defines who she is and what she will do ...

It's time for a real change ...

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
6. +5 She must attempt to take the focus OFF economics and try to turn it TO social issues,
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jul 2015

where she isn't That strong but her main opponent is near impeccable. I appreciate your POV on this dynamic and agree that the root of most of our problems is economics. I would add though, that racism and bigotry have their own special set of ugliness, oppression and sins from 400+ years of white western domination, and it's major.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. Oh yes, it's a HUGE problem
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jul 2015

And it needs to be dealt with. It got swept under the rug, and we were told we lived in a post racial society. Still racism, sexism and general BS from the right is as strong as it ever was.

I'd like to start with getting everyone fed and housed though. I think a lot of the racial tension and other issues are coming from a fear of being edged out by other groups. If everyone has enough, I think things will mellow out to the point that some progress can be made on the issue.

It's not going to be easy though- it's practically hardwired into our genes.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
5. I agree with pretty much everything said so far in this thread...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:00 AM
Jul 2015

… but I think there is no difference between social and economic strategy when trying to run on the "social issues" from the other camp.

Are we in this country to the point where we can't connect one to the other?

In a capitalistic society, money is supposed to be the great equalizer. In an unfettered capitalistic society, lack of money is used to influence one group to fight against the other. I can't believe how much over the last 30 years we have been promised and lied to about this. I can't believe how fast we have become unthinking Americans who don't question or know much outside of what is continually programed into us.

Why would I believe a word anyone said who wasn't serious about being equal to each other? We need real solutions, and like you said, Bernie Sanders is WAY ahead of so, so many others.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
8. I agree economic issues are social issues.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jul 2015

Except for the wealthy who get their money from the stock market and have plenty of it.
But if you are black or white, gay or strait and you have a shitty job that keeps you in poverty that is a social issue of great importance.

The attempt seems to be to separate them when the facts are they are intertwined. And they want to separate them out to say that Sanders is for one and not the other, which given his record is horse shit.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. Exactly. And many social issues are economic issues. Bernie has been about all that.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:13 AM
Jul 2015

He's not about artifice or pandering or doing something just because it might get him votes, though.

How many African American church services do you think white politicians attend and how many African American congregations do you think they address when they are NOT campaigning? How about when those white politicians also are Jews and/or atheists and Senators from Vermont, not a former Senator from New York who lost the African American vote resoundingly in her last attempt at the Democratic nomination?

Whatever anyone want to say about Bill and Hillary, they are not dumb. They know that, among the reasons she lost in 2008 were that her race based campaigning against Obama cost her votes among liberals of all hues and the African American vote went over 90% to Obama, plus her advocacy for the Iraq War, plus her Third Way ways, the same three reasons I don't support her now. I am sure they had strategies for trying to reverse those things this time. But, it's still dividing Democratic primary voters along racial lines.

Until recently, Bernie did not intend to run for President, but for Senator of Vermont. I think that is obvious. He said he is running because he fears the middle class will disappear in another generation or two and I believe him. I think he hoped Warren would capitalize on her growing name recognition and popularity and run. When he, like some on DU, finally gave up hope, he announced informally. I didn't think he would, but I am thrilled he did.

In any event, there was in the past not much of a reason for him to give a speech in an African American church in New York or anywhere else and I don't know of any in Vermont. Hell, I don't even know if he campaigned for the Senate in white churches in Vermont. (Remember, one of the tenets of the DLC was that Democrats should not "be afraid" to show their religion and Bubba and Shrum both attributed Kerry's loss in great part to Kerry's maintaining the separation of church and state Jefferson prized, with Bubba noting that Obama had announced his candidacy for the Senate with "his pastor' by his side, aka Rev. Wright.)

However, at the same time, I think we have to recognize that, as I keep posting, Chris Rock posts a selfie whenever he gets pulled over for dwb, so money is not the total solution to race problems. While I think a lot of thi--though not all-- is being orchestrated by people who are neither poor nor African American, I think we have to hear the authentic and realistic cri de coeur from African Americans of all economic strata. A Presidential campaign cannot look and sound as though racism only about economics.

The taxes and fees of African Americans are paying the salaries of cops who kill their children and judges who incarcerate African Americans, but not the cops who kill them. I believe with all my heart Bernie if firmly against that--and he did both speak and act after Ferguson and Charleston. However, in a Presidential campaign, he has to concern himself more with doing things he does not usually do and I think he has been doing that more and more. Of course, if you make his supporters the campaign issue, it doesn't really matter much what he does, does it? He doesn't and cannot possibly control what DUers post. So, it's Catch 22. What about the candidate who flat out identified her voters as hard working white people, though? How have her supporters been posting? But, dayum, there's that Catch 22 again. Because if Bernie's supporters say that, then they're bad for that, too.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
15. If you are nothing but a fan it is easy to be hypocritical.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jul 2015

Because you are in love with an image...thus the image is perfect in your mind and any opposition to it is a lie.
The cult of personality is cultivated by some for that reason.

And I totally agree that if Warren would have ran Sanders would never have...I don't see him as being that ambisious...but clearly and sincerely concerned about the direction this country is taking.
And so am I, and the majority of people out there, despite the attempt by some to convince us that they are happy with it.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
14. expressed well, zeem...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jul 2015

It is nothing BUT horse shit.

Of course, we must express more than calling it wrong when talking about Sander's social platform (in order for the mindless programmed message to have a finger poked through that meme).

Sometimes I feel like the social message should appear in the form of Ikea furniture instructions. Picture that!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
16. Thanks, but you did a hell of a job yourself.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jul 2015

All I could do is add a little to it.
I am just a bass player in the band.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Bernie has been talking more about the things everyone wanted
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:24 AM
Jul 2015

him to talk about and reaching out more. However, I never doubted how he would use whatever power he has in any office. Not because of idolatry, but because of the way he has used power since he first got an elective office. His ratings are just where I want to see them, as are most of his votes.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
11. Same here.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:04 AM
Jul 2015

I've been following Bernie for a long time and there's not much I've ever disagreed with him on. It's easy to vote for someone when you don't have to compromise your principles to do so.



The speech he gave to the SCLC shows his message is evolving, even though his beliefs haven't budged an inch.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. I've learned to look at actions. I can't tell what a politicians beliefs are. I don't give a fig
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:47 AM
Jul 2015

about their campaign messages. Bernie has a long and consistent record of acts and voting (aka use of power of whatever elective office he held at the time). That's what I am deciding on.

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