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_ Washington Post, "Hillary Clinton Said it. Black Lives Matter. No Hedge." July 20, 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/20/hillary-clinton-said-it-black-lives-matter-no-hedge/
- MSNBC, "Black Lives Protest Show Sanders' Weakness", July 20, 2015
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-vulnerability-seen-in-narrow-base-488290371988
- CNN, "Bernie Sanders, Netroots Nation, Democrats Lose Control of Event", July 19, 2015
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/bernie-sanders-netroots-nation-black-lives-matter/
stranger81
(2,345 posts)We get the government we deserve. Yes, we do.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)of the Dean Scream being played on a loop, for days. Not the first time the media has been useful little tools in the demise of a candidate. Good thing the Bernie campaign is like Dean on steroids. It's not going to be that easy this time.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)and loathe.
She wasn't there. She saw what happened. She gets the heads up and a safe soft-ball question on FB. And she gets to come out smelling like roses because she was not caught off guard. She had two days to calculate her move with regards to BLM and what to say.
If I said what I really feel about this woman I would get a hide for sure!
Indeed, we get what we deserve. If my community is too blinded by marketing and catch-phrases to see that Clinton is using them for her own electoral advantage, then fuck it, there are going to be a lot more black men and women dead, destitute, in prison, and scared in the future.
I am heart broken!
Oh fuck me! I just finished the full article and the Washington Post spread the lie I first saw here on DU. Sanders never ever utter 'All lives matter'. Not once! He clearly said Black lives matter and then his next comments. I was right to be suspicious of what is happening. BLM and my minority community is being fucking used! I am frothing mad right now!
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)on MSNBC was zero to disappointing. I caught Ed Schultz who's Bernie's biggest ally as he was finishing a segment looking with disbelief when he had to ask about the 'event', and the scripted young woman went into Bernie's heavy economics focus as "Dr. Dyson just said", so Dyson, who was also on the screen must have just gone into all that too. Chris Hayes, Lawrence, Kornachi here,- none showed film of the super Bernie events, only mentioned large crowds briefly, then proceeded to the real meat- economics and how Bernie can't get the minority black and brown vote like Obama did. I feel sick, and livid- earlier read all those posts from Bernie supporters about how Bernie would have time to work on a BLM plan, he should attend black church suppers, one said he should have anticipated the protest.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)What I said below...Chris Hayes with the "activist"...why was she only after Bernie????
Makes me furious.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:31 PM - Edit history (1)
- Bill Clinton says "I made criminal justice worse" at NAACP meeting in Philadelphia, July 15, 2015 -
- "Bill Clinton: I Made Criminal Justice 'Worse'", July 15, 2015. (Mea culpa on sentencing at NAACP meeting, July 15).
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/15/clinton-i-made-criminal-justice-worse.html
- "Bill Clinton: I Support Hillary's Efforts to Change My Criminal Justice Policies", HuffPo, May 6, 2015.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026987054
jwirr
(39,215 posts)are not fooled.
Maybe we cannot change any minds here on DU but we can still post on social media and do other things to support Bernie.
I did read one post here in this group about Bernie asking for help to answer the issue of police violence and long lasting racism. That sounds very good. Maybe some of the black Bernie supporters could write with an answer.
There are things we can do.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:37 AM - Edit history (1)
Not that it should come as a surprise.
ETA:
I'm desperately trying to find an upside to this. All I can come up with so far is the hope that this sort of crap (and it will undoubtedly continue) will produce enough of a grassroots backlash that the media will have no choice but to take notice.
It's early. Sanders (and his supporters) will have plenty of opportunities to set the record straight.
I quit cable. Now's as good a time as any to let MSNBC know that, while I had some misgivings about missing their evening line-up, that's no longer an issue.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Two shows that I shut off...just had it set up to make him look bad.
And they did mention HRC's interview today, where she said BLM....where the hell has she been for almost 4 days...She finally says something...where's the outrage over her absence.
And then Karen Tumlwhatever, basically said Bernie doesn't get it but oh, oh, oh...HRC DOES!
It's all making me sick...it's such a scam.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:53 PM - Edit history (1)
"Bill Clinton: I Made Criminal Justice Worse", The Daily Beast, July 15, 2015. (His July 15 speech to NAACP meeting).
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/15/clinton-i-made-criminal-justice-worse.html
"Bill Clinton: I Support Hillary's Efforts to Change My Criminal Justice Policies", HuffPo, May 6, 2015.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026987054
udbcrzy2
(891 posts)She was at a church in Ferguson and she said, 'all lives matter'. Here is an article and video of it and there is a link going to twichy for the backlash. We've seen how she side-steps and then walks back what she has said before.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/23/hillary_clinton_in_black_church_all_lives_matter.html
merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:16 AM - Edit history (5)
O'Malley also said white lives matter. Bernie did not.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/blacklivesmatter-co-founder-warns-presidential-candidates-we-will-shut-down-every-single-debate/#.VavP3ngKF58.twitter
O'Malley has a complicated history as Mayor of Baltimore and Governor of Maryland. Bernie does not.
Hillary ran a "racially-tinged" campaign against the first African American who seemed to have a realistic chance at Oval Office, including identifying "her" constituents as hard working white people, implying Obama's were the opposite on both those counts. Bernie did not.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clint_n_81205.html
Hillary adopts a fake accent and ain't in no ways tired when speaking to audiences that are predominantly African American. Bernie does not.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2015/05/29/friday-fun-jon-stewart-mocks-hillarys-fake-southern-accent-n2005572
When speaking to a predominantly African American audience, Hillary compared her experience as a wealthy, pampered United States Senator, protected by the Secret Service, no less, in a Republican majority Congress to working on a plantation. Bernie did not.
Hillary, as First Lady of Arkansas stood beside Bill every year while he was Governor and celebrated Confederacy Day in Arkansas, with a confederate star on the state flag to boot, with nary a suggestion that any of that perhaps should change. Bernie did not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778959
Bernie's response to Ferguson was swift and included co-sponsoring a bill with Conyers and a call for de-militarization of police. Bernie's response to Charleston was also swift--and sacrificial. Before he even speechified, he sent his own donors an email with a link to the church's website, asking his donors to donate to the church for the survivors. Then, he made a speech from his heart, not one he and his campaign had massaged for days.
He gets no credit for anything he's done or said or for any dumb thing he did NOT say or for his sincerity or consistency. Flipping that, no one has yet pointed to a racist thing or a pandering thing Bernie has said or done. When it comes to Bernie, though, none of it is "good enough."
Yet, the insinuations that he is racist against African Americans and Hispanics and anti-immigrant are flying--and from his fellow Democrats, like Gutierrez and Sanchez. Gutierrez, a member of the Progressive Caucus that Bernie founded and chaired for 8 years, even pretended not to know Sanders' name. Gutierrez, who wants to succeed Rahm as Mayor of Chicago. Sanchez, a member from California of the Blue Dog Caucus (not even the New Democrat Caucus). Sanchez, who wants to take Boxer's seat.
Bernie is one of the unlikeliest targets for an anti-immigrant smear, or a racist smear. His father was an immigrant whose family members died in the Holocaust. He risked his life as an activist. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809672
As Mayor, Bernie made Burlington a sanctuary for immigrants. His rating from two anti-immigrant groups are 0% and 8% respectively and his rating from the NAACP is 97%--after 25 years in Congress. His ratings from women's groups anmd the ACLU are similarly high. His rating from the Human Rights Campaign is 100%. He voted against DOMA in 1991. No evolution necessary.
None of it matters, apparently. No fact or reality can stand up to a smear, especially one that is repeated every day. Bernie starts attracting thousands of enthusiastic voters at his events and suddenly, a man who has been very decent for 72 years, including 33 years in elected office (25 years in the House and Senate and 8 years as Mayor) becomes a monster.
These attacks seem to be well-orchestrated and are, to me, are very reminiscent of the take no prisoners, low Presidential primary campaign tactics I've seen before. And it's not coming from the NAACP or from long time civil rights activists like Conyers or Sharpton.
None of the above is intended to say or imply that BLM should not do anything and everything it can to change the status quo. That, it very definitely should do, as should we all.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Enthusiast
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merrily
(45,251 posts)udbcrzy2
(891 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)And chest.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Great Job!... and OP and replies from others here are well worth the read.
I'm bookmarking whole Post/Thread because we will need it in the future to keep refuting the disinfo and outright lies that keep coming.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Maybe, if it makes you feel better in the moment. I don't see this as being about a quest for facts and truth or dialogue.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)When I do an OP, I feel obligated to "parent" the thread, so, sometimes, an OP is more of a commitment than, for whatever reason, I feel up to.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)of S. at a fair type event, decent, semi-rural with cows, farmers was made an OP that spawned rolling posts of filthy, crude jokes about animal relations, cult worship, haw, haw, that went on and on despite one alert. It almost sent me around the bend. Fair is fair, and you know, I think I still have those links to funny campaign memorabilia items/buttons.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I'd post it at least a few thousand times as an OP.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)I had never seen these, had heard of them, but the real deal made an impact...
merrily
(45,251 posts)appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)event you will hate me for the NO, Cajun and Creole delights I'll post!).
Like French beignets donuts with coffee at Café du Monde on Sunday morning listening to jazz...
merrily
(45,251 posts)j/k But, if you don't stop showing me pictures of yummy stuff after midnight, there's going to be trouble.
I've never been to NOLA, but I've always wanted to go, especially for the beignets. I used to want to go for Mardi Gras, but not any more.
I've thought about trying to make beignets myself. Kings' Cake, too. But I don't like working with yeast. (Also the reason I don't make sticky buns, even though I am a sucker for a good home-baked sticky bun.)
When I was a newlywed, I tried to make French bread for my husband on Christmas Day and it was a disaster. In fact, everything I tried that day was a disaster,
LOL! I was such a fearless and ambitious cook that year! Picture this: Christmas Day, with my inlaws driving from Jersey to Boston, I tried, all for the first time, potato latkes, Beef Wellington, French bread and sweet potato pie. They don't even go well together.
Everything turned out inedible, except for the Beef Wellington, which was wonderful. (I made a mushroom-based filling, no liver. Had way too much of that as a kid.) In particular, the bread was a sodden mess, no matter how long I baked it. I was exhausted and traumatized. I never tried any of them again, even the Beef Wellington.
Maybe, one day, I'll bite the yeast bullet and do the beignets. Before midnight, though.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)have lost the recipe though. Go to NO anytime, it exceeded my expectations. Amazing, did we do it up once. Oh my..
merrily
(45,251 posts)Been there since I was a child and didn't even know about bucket lists. Redwood Forest and Yellowstone, too. So many places in the USA, so far apart.
I've gotten to more "always wanted to go to" places overseas than in this country.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)I'm also guilty of seeing much overseas; saw a lot here but I'm appreciating the US more with age, as happens. I started traveling young just naturally, with friends. When I showed up at my dad's house in Miami once at 17 he loved it, started teasing and calling me travel child sometimes.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)If somebody posts it great! After the fracas but it shows his views.
Also, I couldn't find any reference in WaPo about where this took place.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)corner. I wonder if it's from his campaign site. Sure would like know where and the occasion for this.
Are you thinking of posting it in 'Video' I hope?
mmonk
(52,589 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)I understand about GDP. I also have a hard time maintaining in GD also recently. Vipers everywhere with no self realization or wider curiosity about facts around them. I understand righteous anger. I do not cotton to the personal and dishonest.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Sanders 2016!!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's not working. It only makes those trying to do it look like assholes.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)And, for Hillary, she was only in her teens when she was a Goldwater Girl.
And, after Bernie risked his life in Chicago, he moved to Vermont, which is 96% white and (allegedly) never again was an activist for equal rights.
Maybe he thought that he could do more for the things he cared about in politics?
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)saw in the WaPo article in my main post. Bernie was campaigning in Portland, Maine around July 6, the You Tube published date for the video. Before I post in 'Video' here (after the fact!) I'd like more info, when and where this was taken. Do you known how to check with the campaign on this? I'm not on their list. Thanks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't know what it's from. Didn't the You Tube page give any info?
I would really hesitate to call the campaign about a post.
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)Post article which is why I'm asking. I've searched for half an hour on line to try to find where this came from. You Tube only says 'published July 6' which was the Monday of his big event in Portland at the Ocean Gateway. On July 4 he was in Iowa. That's why I'm guessing the event was in Maine (and the COWS in the mural behind him!), but could be VT. Before posting in 'Video' here I'd like who, when and where background.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)rocktivity
(44,580 posts)The MSM, who have a vested interested in a corporatist president winning, are trying to use BLM on Bernie the way they tried to use Rev. Wright on Obama...
rocktivity
onecaliberal
(32,913 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)are willing to spend a fair amount of money doing so.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)It didn't do a thing to help fight against the police oppression & murder of black people. But it did help Hillary. The one person who will do the least to change things if elected. And it hurt Bernie, the one person who will do the most to change things if elected.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)But they should be protesting the city and county politicians who have created the laws and police departments that have brutalized them not the politicians who have worked for their rights. Part of protest is the possibility of being bloodied and arrested because you are confronting the entities who are causing your miseries. Contrast the civil rights protests of the sixties with this or even more recently Cindy Sheehan facing up to George Bush, who started the wars her son was killed in, even facing arrest at the State of the Union address of GWB because she wanted him to look in her face and be uncomfortable.
That's my two cents.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I'm so frustrated over this.
I assume that the vast majority of Dems, Libs and indeed Progressives understand all too much, the horrific deaths of African Americans at the hands of police and desperately want something done.
But many of us are just "little guys"...we're not governors, mayors, presidents nor heads of anything. Aren't those that are actually the ones that need to be protested?
I fear for the damage that this planned and directed attack on Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders, persons that could possibly institute and drive change...may have done.
p.s...I would like to say to BLM...VOTE.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)And Hillary is the solution.
Hillary has an enthusiasm problem? So what? The 12,000 who showed up to cheer Bernie, looking for real change, are terrible people. They are the problem with society, possibly the world. It's the 1500 who showed up for Hillary who are the decent people and, let's face it, the only decent people. Well, maybe the Webb supporters are okay, too, but he a tad too rightist for you, isn't he?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)Black people should support Bernie, but most still have no idea who he is. He's increasing his focus on outreach and hopefully this will get his name recognition up.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Do exactly what Bernie has done. Acknowledge the very real concerns and continue to speak out about them.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and their clueless followers have been lying their propagandizing asses on DU and other Democratic websites for months, doing whatever nasty shit was necessary to paint Bernie as a passive racist unconcerned about justice and equality for the African American Community.
All this time I'm thinking, what's the game here? This is some really filthy shit, they're up to no good with this, spreading lies and smearing a Democratic public servant, simply because they are desperate to get their 1% Third Way candidate elected.
Then Clinton skips the NN gig (do ya think maybe she might have been tipped off?), and the Democrats who attend are discussing immigration issues when #blm does their act. #blm is not there for discussion, they are their to co-opt the event, swiftboat Clinton's competition, and the thing that makes it all perfect is that any criticism of the protest will be construed as not listening to what #blm is trying to get across.
Then a truly ugly racist website, #bernieissoblack, gets posted at DU, more bullshit lies appear from the Third Way trolls, and the media has a field day dumping on Democrats.
Of course, immediately after this, Clinton performs the next step in the script, by going on facebook or whatever, (where she is immune to any criticism or interruption, of course), and engages #blm or whoever like she is miss innocent little Mother Bo Peep, so very concerned, pretending like she wouldn't sell the black community down the river in a hummingbird's heartbeat if the global banking community required her to do so in payment for dumping millions into her campaign to serve them in the White House.
I have to admit, the talent the Third Way employs to ensure that super wealthy white people maintain control of the US government and the people of the US, came up with a pretty clever, failsafe little maneuver here.
However, this whole thing has backfired for them to a great extent. It is not that I am unsympathetic to the purported goals of #blm, or am not acutely aware of the desperate state of the African American community, who have been victimized and slaughtered by imperialist white cops in this land and others for centuries. I've been beaten with batons, unjustly jailed twice. I've had cops handcuff me facedown behind my back, one cop beating me on the back with a baton while the other joyfully ground my face into the dirt. This was right after they shot at me, while I was unarmed, while running away from them. They did not know who I was. I heard the bullet whiz by my ear before I heard the gunshot. And this is not nearly all of it.
Despite the actions of the Third Way, and any agents or agency they employ, to knowingly or unknowingly do their nasty business for them in an effort to maintain and increase the control the wealthy white 1% and their botcops have over our government and our lives, I will continue to struggle to control and regulate the power of the 1% and their cops to abuse with impunity me, the black community, all other oppressed minorities, even straight white men.
From my point of view, one of the best ways for me to help achieve this goal is to elect Senator Sanders to the Presidency of the United States. His past actions and integrity prove to me that he understands my struggles and will work assiduously to address my grievances. Anybody can speak words. Words are for lies in politics.
I have always held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils since 1992. It was a matter of conscience. I knew that any Democrat would be better than a republican, so I went to the polls to do my part to keep the fascists out of the WH.
But for the first time, there has come a point where the possible lesser of two evils has been a part of something so heinous that I cannot, in good conscience, ever vote for this person.
I could never, in good conscience, vote for anyone who would debase him or herself, for personal gain, by being part of a horrible smear/swiftboat campaign used to attempt to besmirch the reputation, and slander the integrity, of a person totally innocent of the insinuations leveled against them. I don't care if it's a homeless person, or the queen of the world, who they attempt to maliciously slander, I could never associate myself with, let alone vote to elect to the most powerful leadership position in the world, anyone who would knowingly be a part of these types of dirty deeds, either actively or passively. And I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one driven to this course of action by these unfortunate recent events.
To be clear, it is not my intention here to speak for Senator Sanders, or presume to "protect" him. A longtime democratic socialist Senator in the swamp of the conservative US Senate needs no protection from anyone or anything. I'm simply explaining why, if Hillary Clinton is nominated by the Democratic Party to be the Democratic party presidential nominee, this lifetime yellowdog Democrat won't be voting for the Democratic candidate for president for the first time in the almost five decades in which I have been eligible to vote.
Hanging out with war criminal Henry Kissinger ~
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And one with which I agree...and an appropriate song at the end.