I can't believe what I'm seeing

[JonLP24]

Im sure I don't have to give any examples but I have known him since 2003 he predicted what PNTR would do, what the bank bailout would do the "too big to fail is a bank too big to exist."

The tearing down especially over whether he officially registers as a Democrat is ridiculous. He has caucused with them since the beginning and for purposes of the job why does anything else matter? If he's right on policy and pushes the right policy what's the problem?

A week ago when he was out campaigning I never seen the board more united behind but now lashing out.

[dae]

1. Some just cannot help themselves. I think the

Supermoon may have had something to do with an uptick in rabid behavior.
I hope it wears off soon.

[JudyM]

4. I hope so too but they are acting like a gang of blamers rather than looking at the facts...

[LWolf]

2. No surprise.

Someone else whose name is not to be mentioned here said this:

Looking for scapegoats is a way to avoid reflection, criticism and accountability after failure. Those who claimed that Clinton was more electable than Bernie Sanders, despite his stronger polling against Trump, are now desperately trying to spin the failure of their strategy.

Personally, though, I think Jonathan Pie said it best. I won't post it here, though.

[dae]

6. Well said and unsaid! :)

[JonLP24]

11. Who is Jonathan Pie?

That grey box sums up my thoughts as well.

[LWolf]

16. A character

made up by a comedian who talks about politics. You can google him and find the video.

[LP2K12]

3. Agreed.

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Seeing people attack Bernie and his supporters and claim that he/we are not Democrats... well, that makes me feel like I'm not of value to this party.

[dae]

7. You are of much more value than

Cli...mate deniers!

[JudyM]

5. What were you expecting? Minimal vitriol?

[dae]

8. Maybe just a little reflection, self-awareness,

lessons learned.
Guess it was to much.

[JudyM]

9. Yep unfortunately it's SSDD... still divisive, cutting down Bernie as if he's the reason she lost,

it's a sad reflection of tunnel vision coupled with self-righteous anger. What do they not see? That Bernie is not the problem, he simply pointed out the truth that establishment Dems have been sweeping under the rug, that they ultimately lost on (based on the numbers) and that our party now needs to refocus on if we want to have turnout next time that will actually win us back some seats. In a twisted way it's to our benefit that trump has been installing corporatists/lobbyists this past week, provided that we are willing to continue calling him on it, as Bernie etc all have already started doing. We must maintain a strong media offensive to keep people aware.

[Ken Burch]

10. Bernie actually CAN'T register as a Democrat-in Vermont, everyone is a registered independent.

n/t.

[JonLP24]

12. Correct

I still saw people tearing him despite posters pointing that out which makes it all the more ridiculous.

No. There is no party registration in Vermont.

All registered voters can vote in the primary election—but can only vote on one ballot. You will be given a ballot for each of the major parties. You mark one of the ballots and put the remaining unvoted ballots into a discard bin. Which ballot you chose to vote is private and not recorded (except during the presidential primary, where voters must publicly take one ballot or the other, and their choice is recorded on the entrance checklist).

https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx

[JudyM]

13. Man, I am surprised that this is as vile as it is.

Look at the responses to Wilm's comment in this thread. Folks blaming Wilms personally, which breaks DU rules outright.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512615581#post21

[JonLP24]

14. I was on a jury for post #12

I'm not sure if we are allowed to talk about juries but I voted "Post clearly breaks rule"

There are other posts that call "BernieBros" sexist and racist.

[MelissaB]

15. Unreal!

I sent a message to Wilms the other day and told him to be careful because the alerters are out if full force. His posting privileges have now been revoked.

He has been around a LONG time...

I don't recognize this place any more. I stopped posting for a while, but have posted some since the site came back up hoping it wouldn't be as toxic.

[JonLP24]

17. Same here about not recognizing this place

I left before the primaries and came back after them and see so many people here gone.

[JudyM]

18. Yes, diversity of opinion among Dems freaks out some and they react hostilely and ad hominem.

Fellow Bernie Group: I do feel bad for their being sad, but there's no excuse for personally trashing Bernie supporters as if he had no right to run. Why can't they see how preposterous that is? (And he went waaay easier on her than she did on Obama - remember that pic sent around of him in the robes and headwrap? Etc.) He stuck to the issues and had better positions for the working class in the Midwest where she lost to him and then lost to tRump. Have any of us said "we told you so?" Or "all the polls had her even or losing to tRump with Bernie 10 points ahead, for the last couple months of the primary!" We could justifiably direct hostility at them! But no, we haven't! They think it's our fault that she lost?! And how ironic is it that the ones venting their spleen at us consider their position correct despite its very apparent disregard of weighty democratic principles (fairness, justice, voting integrity). All they seem to see and feel is an abomination. What is really sacrosanct in this situation?

How many hundreds of comments claimed we were sexist? Jeez, we're every bit as pro-feminist as they are. Or as some here have pointed out with respect to particular posts that may be characteristic (I have no way of knowing but I too wonder) antisemitism... or just blind devotion. And apparently the means justify the ends, including scorched earth for anyone who sees more value in the other position? Whatever it is, it is crudely hostile and reflects deeper personality issues, IMO. A few in particular.

I voted for Clinton, despite unhappiness (putting it mildly) about so many of her actions that conflicted with good ethics (which is my career field, BTW) and good democratic principles. It was a Bernie video that ultimately persuaded me that voting for her was the best move.

Let's hope maturity will prevail here on DU even though they will never see the truth as we see it.

[JonLP24]

19. I voted for Obama in the primaries in 2008

In the general for 2008 & 2012. Bernie Sanders in the primaries and Clinton in the general.

I remember 2008 well, her campaign was very similar to the McCain campaign. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, and Rezko was the same anti Obama campaign and there were a lot of Clinton supporters upset at the idea of a black President jumped to the McCain side in larger percentages than Bernie voters jumped to Trump.

https://m.

There was lots of this in West Virginia.

With the Clinton's past support of crime bills, welfare reform act, etc I wasn't sure why suddenly we had to suddenly defend attacks of racism. In the beginning I remember a thread with a racist torture photos and a ceiling painting which meant only WASPs should have power and WTF any of that had to do with Bernie Sanders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

I also remember a lot of "there is no way America will vote for a Jewish Socialist" posts.

Every primary campaign has been heated with people from both sides in 2004, 2008, 2016 left with sore feelings but can't admit a lot of this goes both ways instead we're either trolls, fill in the blank and to blame as if everything the Clinton campaign did was gold.

I couldn't agree more with what you said.

[Arazi]

20. Today's my first day back and it's pretty sick and sad

The persistent beat-down on Bernie is offensive.

He's tearing up Trump on his book tour.

He worked his ass off for Hillary.

He's been a loyal Democratic caucus member for decades.

The denial level is crazy bad

[MelissaB]

21. It's batshit crazy

is what it is.

[JudyM]

22. Crazy denial. As if her loss was his fault. Hall of funhouse mirrors. At least party leadership sees

it more clearly.

We've been pretty damned restrained, letting them get their act together after a hard loss. Still hard to let it all go, like they are The Righteous Ones or something. Facts don't matter, they aren't seeing straight, based on a lot of the comments. Criticizing him for every move, even though every move is in the direction of weakening tRump and strengthening our party. Yep, crazy.

Welcome back!

[Cobalt Violet]

23. it's horrible

I've got 3 posts taken down already. It's worse than the primaries. Funny that no Bernie bashing posts have been taken down. None! But we can't even offer any constructive criticism of the her or even express that we don't want her to run again.
They've learned absolutely nothing. It's more of an echo chamber than it was before. I guess I can only post in the Bernie group.

[JudyM]

24. And there have been some ugly ones. Despite the rules.

[JonLP24]

25. I'm trying to avoid the Post Mortem forum

The blaming Bernie Sanders for the loss makes no sense, when I try to accurately recap his campaign to the best of my memory the response is false attacks like I'm spreading phony talking points, claiming his platform and his exact words would get a post deleted. Saying he was mainly concerned with the white vote.

I feel pretty much alone out there and it does seem like much more of an echo chamber from when I remember.

[potone]

27. This is my first day back and I am appalled.

I don't know if I will stay here for long; I had hoped that people would be more willing to look at the reasons for our loss, rather than to scapegoat Bernie and/or blame the voters. That attitude will make it impossible to correct course and offer more appealing candidates in the future. It seems to me that some people here have-consciously or not-adopted the attitude of the DNC that the Democratic nominee is entitled to our votes, regardless of how the nomination was won, or how people feel about the candidate. That arrogance has caused and will continue to cause us to lose elections. Sneering at people is not a good strategy.

[JudyM]

26. One way to help stop this is to serve as a forum host, and lock threads that violate the rules.

Star members who have 100% chance of serving on a jury are eligible. You can spend only as much time as you want and can quit any time. There are spots open in LBN, 2016 Post-Mortem and GD.

Please check it out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=hosts&volunteer=1014