Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumNina Illingworth (lefty) LONG analysis of email prosecution and politics
http://www.ninaillingworth.com/2016/06/01/the-foggy-bottom-of-clintons-muddy-waters/a portion:
Unfortunately, the FBIs recommendation to indict would not be binding or a matter of public record, which brings us back to square one in theory hoping that President Obama does the right thing when presented with evidence of Clintons criminal behavior, lies and repeated failure to cooperate with investigators; despite the fact that it would be disastrous for his party. Except, someone (hint either the FBI itself or the GOP from an FBI source) leaked information to a number of conservative websites and commentators that Comey (and possibly additional agents) would be prepared to resign in protest and/or leak details of the case if the administration chose it ignore his recommendation or stall the indictment until after the election. Furthermore, despite the less than credible sources involved theres actually a pretty damn good chance Comeys resignation threat is real in 2004, Comey and a number of officials in the Bush Justice Department threatened to resign over the Presidents executive order allowing NSA wiretaps that werent even close to legal at the goddamn time; an act President Obama actually praised him for when announcing his appointment as head of the FBI. This experience actually adds even further to the FBI directors leverage against potential attempts to block or delay an indictment by the administration because Comey was acting as Deputy Attorney General at the time and would presumably have a fairly intimate understanding of current AG Loretta Lynchs duties and responsibilities; although I should probably mention that James signed off on mutherfucking waterboarding at the time even if only to remind readers who should be arrested for human rights violations and/or war crimes once America is no longer run by criminals, murders and liars.
Even this threat however, was probably not enough to force the Presidents hand; after all the FBI and by extension Comey are currently suffering from what could be politely described as a massive credibility problem. Additionally someone (read people inside the administration loyal to Clinton) tried to throw water on the growing fire by counter-leaking that the Bureau was about to wrap up its review and had found no criminal wrongdoing; something that certainly doesnt jibe with Comeys steadfast insistence that the Bureau is conducting an official investigation of Clinton only a few days later and his frequent statements that there is no established deadline for concluding that investigation. These numerous scandals added incentive for Comey to delay the FBI investigation process because early on (especially during the expensive and embarrassing San Bernardino terrorism/I Phone debacle) there was a non-zero percent chance that the American public would respond to his resignation threat with a hearty dont let the door hit your ass on the way out James! Stalling the investigation however would not only give the Bureau more time to expand its case against Clinton, but increase Comeys political capital for a potential fight with Obama over if and when Lynch will indict Hillary and numerous assistants still close to her this day.
Friendly Fire
Which of course, brings us all the way back to the beginning and the State Department Inspector Generals report I swear were not going in circles here folks, just bear with me a little longer. The OIG report is extremely important in this case for three reasons besides the fact that it basically called Clinton a liar, told the entire world that she never had permission from the State Department to use a private server and confirmed that there were at least some hacking attempts made on said server; once again in complete contradiction to Hillary Clintons many, extremely public claims otherwise:
Assuming previous statements by James Comey and the White House Press Secretary are true, the OIG report represents President Obamas first chance to study what kind of case the FBI will be able to make against Clinton. Since keeping the President in the dark was clearly part of Comeys strategy, theres a pretty good chance Obamas opinion of the case was entirely formed by combining the initial portions of the State Departments email probe, developing information from Linick and quite frankly Hillary goddamn Clintons solemn but apparently worthless promise that shed done nothing seriously wrong. How happy was the President when he found out Hillary was lying to him about virtually everything, including the personal nature of at least some of the 30,000 emails she deleted? I really couldnt say definitively, but I somehow doubt tersely ending a press conference in Japan in response to a question about the email server scandal in the wake of the OIG report, while adding I think these (questions) are better directed to the campaign, is a particularly good sign for Clinton; especially coming from the normally calm, deliberate and calculating Obama. Furthermore, I feel its fairly reasonable to assume that the President could have, if he had so desired, exerted considerable control over the tone, language and detail level of the report. Clearly, he did not as Linick lays into Clinton like she fucking stole something repeatedly and at considerable length.
The OIG report also represents the absolute first time that Clintons actions, excuses and obfuscation have been actively called out by an official body that isnt at least nominally Republican; the server was discovered by the GOP controlled Benghazi Commission and the current investigation is being run by the Republican head of the FBI. Owing entirely to the GOPs shameful politics and behavior during Obamas Presidency; virtually any accusation levied against Clinton by tendrils of the Republican Party will immediately be perceived as a partisan smear job and largely ignored by seriously people the President included. The fact that such a damning report has now come out of Obamas own State Department; despite the presence of one of the most powerful and decidedly mainstream figures in the Party (John Kerry) is an extremely strong signal that all is most certainly not fucking well in Camelot. Clearly, the Hillary Clinton email server scandal can no longer be described as a vast, right wing conspiracy to get the former Secretary of State because shes now being harshly criticized by powerful Democrats; which knocks out another key aspect of Clintons defense.
Still unco
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lmbradford
(517 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I do not agree with all of it. But I do agree Clinton is in more serious trouble than is being widely acknowledged.
As to why the FBI is taking so long? I have a different theory. First of all, we haven't heard from the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community who was also doing an investigation. Some of his results would be classified but I think the State Department indicated that we would be hearing from them sooner than later. I think his report will be more damning and help set the table for the FBI results. But the big thing that taking time is : the Clinton Foundation. It takes time to "follow the money" And there is lot of money ~ $4 billion and a bunch of stuff that appears to be quid pro quo for weapons and visas, etc. It's hard to believe people gave Bill & Hillary four billion dollars for nothing. I think that's what they're taking a good long hard look at and why it's taking time.
In the wake of subpoenas of the Clinton Foundation last fall, the recent report that the FBI is now investigating long time Clinton money bag man and Clinton Foundation Director Terry McAuliffe for activities prior to him becoming Virginia Governor (he resigned from the Clinton Foundation after he was elected) gives the impression that the FBI may be circling the Clinton Foundation wagons. That adds some substance to the Clinton Cash and other media allegations of last year and is a timely result of the subpoenas and investigations.
Now, if the Dems feel that Clinton is going to get gobbled up by this, as I think she is even if she's innocent, the Dems are the ones who should pull the trigger. If they wait to let the GOP and Trump do it, it's too late and their replacement candidate will suffer credibility problems being brought in that way compared with if the Dems take out their own garbage.
For those who claim I'm just a Bernie supporter trying to get him the nomination, well I do not think Bernie will be handed the nomination. I think the Dems will parachute in Biden or someone like that. I doubt it will work out for Bernie unless he's taken as a VP.
I also think Hillary is in a lot more trouble that people realize or accept. The sooner Democrats realize that, the better the chances will be that Trump doesn't get the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
NJCher
(35,730 posts)Thanks for the "fix," Grasswire. I find myself wanting to read these long, analytical pieces, and you're a great source.
I haven't been the same, though, since I saw that post on the amounts of money donated to Hillary from the Justice Department.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)So much to worry about.
Let justice flow wherever it needs to go.
NJCher
(35,730 posts)My thoughts are not so encouraging about them (Obama) doing the right thing. That's apparently what it boils down to, according to this writer.
I simply do not understand the establishment Democratic position of HRC at all costs. We have a viable nominee that can overcome all these problems--and Trump, too! What the hell is wrong with that solution?
The one point that I would make is this: there is so much evidence out there that Obama's damned if he doesn't. That will be his legacy: he could have done something; he didn't.
If she keeps it up and gets the nomination, I predict hearings. There's no way she can get away with this in the long term.
Cher
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He gave her a big pat on the back yesterday, expressing confidence.
He must either live in a great big bubble, or he must not give a damn about progressives in the party.
I'm done with him. I don't care about his legacy.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)my own.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I found a link on a message board, otherwise would never have seen it either.