HRC has a huge guest worker program in the pipeline thats likely going to be far worse than NAFTA

[Baobab]

the seeds for which were sown with our WTO membership 20 years ago.

Thats what "opening" of our service markets will do. Because new foreign companies (if they are the lowest qualified bidders) are coming in to take over privatized public sector - soon to be bid out jobs.

People are oblivious that this is coming, but it will become obvious when it starts. But because of how trade deals work, by then it will become irreversible.

As many as 30 million jobs or maybe even more could end up being bid out, and unless US companies can pay their workers less than any of the other bidding countries firms, we wont win the work.

The idea is to redistribute wealth, mostly upward - some additional wealth will for to the owners of foreign staffing companies, other savings will go to US firms who utilize the low cost labor. It may end up being one of the largest redistributions of wealth in history and it will most likely be away from the US middle class.

Skilled workers, at the start at least, will be the ones most effected by these temp workers who will be on temporary L-1 visas of no more than a few years in length- so its not considered to be immigration.

Technically, the jobs are described as being "Mode IV"

At first, unskilled jobs will likely not be impacted. I expect mostly teachers, nurses, federal government workers in areas where there is commercial competition may be impacted the most.

One can see that the developing world is gearing up for this, they have been waiting for it for a long time, 20 years.

This video is about an FTA that is part of this scheme

[lostnfound]

1. As upper management I am getting regular requests...

From third party outsourcing companies and contract employee firms that want to sell me on the idea of downsizing staff and replacing with either Indian labor or temporary workers. Regardless of skill set, they say.

They are aggressive, doing follow ups, trying to bring me little token gifts. Young women, fresh college grads, who themselves are no doubt working on commission.

We think the economy has hit bottom for workers? I don't think so.

[Baobab]

2. Its called "Mode Four"

and they have set up this fake set of crises intentionally it seems.

It started back in 1994 but they never got the traction they wanted because they were able to use quotas. however, the quotas may soon get struck down,our ability to use them is being examined, and if that happens the WTO will have overnight destroyed the futures of an entire generation of US young people, both with and without educations.. Why get an education if there is no entry level pipeline to work unless you have a PhD?

Other countries have a very great many highly trained people who are not burdened by huge debts so they can work for much less. They are eagar to come in and do that work for a fraction of what people are paid now. At the same time, the government is forbidden from offering any kind of debt relief or regulation on the slaughter of families especially homeowners. Any reduction of the entry cst in starting businesses will be nullified by the small size of companies - basically a company woud likely have to be very large to take advantage of these low wage contractors.


Senate, Congress, presidents, they all have been hiding this.

Also, this deal is likely the reason health care has been the way it has, its been intentional trade deal driven dysfunction. Read the paper in my sig

[Baobab]

5. You shoud write up your experience with this.

People are profoundly unaware this is coming. I am making a fool of myself trying to tell people. I have been seeing this develop over the last few years and its going to hit people really hard to realize they have been taken for fools by these politicians.

These are the kinds of hurts that literally kill people, this way of screwing the country is gong to cause massive illness and death in those subjected to it, in the same way the death of a close family member or spouse would.

Once the country's trust is gone, they will never get it back. its going to hit minority people the hardest because of the way HRC is selling herself as their friend.

For some reason I am just too emotionally tied up in this to be a good explainer of it. I get so pissed I make spelling errors, etc, and dont make a good case.

[Phlem]

3. Bill, Obama, Hillary, and the Thirdway have destroyed and will destroy

the lives of the American worker.

Period.

So let's vote for more of this AGAIN! Uugghh!

[Baobab]

4. The initial deal was signed in 1994 but we could at least help show rejection it by rejecting HRC as

she is the wife of the man most associated with it, (which we are expected to know, foreigners dont realize we dont know about these things at all-)

or by denying approval of all 3 pending FTAs- which all contain MORE of these kinds of provisions.

[Phlem]

6. I'm on the same page with you Baobab but I believe

foreigners know more about the FTA's than the American public IMHO (didn't France just reject the TTIP?).

I have never recovered from NAFTA and know full well that FTA's only benefit the one's at the top of corporations and the 1%.

The plain fact that so many are willing to promote Hillary Clinton (contributor to the TPP) show's how completely and willfully ignorant the American public is.

People on this site are willfully ignorant.

That, is the main problem.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Isaac Asimov:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

I see it every freaking day.

I'm starting with my daughter and educating her about realities of living amongst idiots. We must start with youth.

[Baobab]

7. No you're wrong, if people demonstrate they could get these things rewritten completely

to protect the right to regulate and protect public services and jobs.

These things are just FILLED with rejected, utterly wrong policy.

What is the pointof democracy if it is not to allow the people to get the best deal possible for all of us. These deals are attacks on ALL the people of the world by a tiny group of crooks who are only getting away with it by lying over and over again. People are really stupid to trust them. They are taking shameless advantage of that misplaced trust while they can, trying to lock us into their traps forever. meanwhile jobs are going away globally, and they are pretending thats not happening to.

If the above was not the case they would not have to lie.

So, you think people here - the sites users? or owners- are willfully ignorant?

How could they be? Either they are complicit or not willfully ignorant. just ignorant.

[Phlem]

8. Dude, I've been here since 2005 and I'm wrong?

Ok.

Good luck.

Remember, we're on the same side.

[Baobab]

10. Since they are hiding it, they know it would fail if it is exposed.

Because the "amoral system" they are setting up with trade deals is so out of whack with what people want.


You can read a lot about it at PolicyAlternatives.ca under trade. They have really top quality writing and its easy for non-trade lawyers to understand.

90% of it applies to the US too. Its better than any writing here on the issues.

[Phlem]

15. Oh they've done more than hide it.

They've convinced "some Americans" that it is a good thing.

Now that, really chaps my hide.

I just got done with another with couldn't be bothered with facts because it was making someone "look" bad.

Facts, I was posting facts and I got the fingers in the ears and the whole la, la, la, la,...

Ugh!

[dreamnightwind]

9. You can call the willfully ignorant complicit if you like

I don't see a lot of difference. I see a lot of willful ignorance around here. I assume we're seeing the same thing and calling it by different names.

Many of the people who support brand Democrat regardless of policy refuse to look too closely under the covers, they don't want their illusions destroyed. Call it what you will, it is what it is.

edit to add: thanks for the OP. Was hoping for a link on this, got anything? Would like to learn more details.

[Baobab]

11. I think that one thing in particular will be seen as a crime against humanity

what they have done with health care while they get the kinks of GATS Mode Four (or its replacement, TiSA) ironed out.

Now that is not willful ignorance. They were not ignorant of how it would play out.

We're going to see it as a crime against humanity. Because all that time we've been spending enough to give the whole country top quality health care for free, but didn't, for the greediest reason imaginable.

Because they wanted a fake crisis they could use to destroy Americans "too high" wages without being too obvious about it.

[dreamnightwind]

13. Agree, arguing on different points though

The poster you were responding to was talking about the willful ignorance of the public and of some DU posters, the Hillary supporters of course.

Your point above, while well-taken, is that the people in power who are driving these policies and trade agreements are not willfully ignorant. To which I agree, the range of rationales for their behavior runs from just intellectually buying into a system and not looking closely at its negative externalities, to willfully working to destroy protections for labor in favor of lowering labor expense to increase corporate profits.

Different scope of argument, people who support politicians against their own interest (though a few on the top will benefit) vs people in power who are working to increase profiteering at the expense of ordinary citizens.

[Baobab]

14. could everybody who sees this just respond with a little "ping" comment?

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thank you

[Phlem]

16. Exactly.

Thanks for clarifying dreamnightwind, and sorry for the confusion boabab.

I would like to clarify that Bill, Obama, and Hillary know exactly what they're doing. Meaning they are complicit.

They are all admittedly Third Way or "New Democrat".

No different than Republicans economically (I actually think worse because they honestly think they're fooling people), and only do "The Socially Populist" bit to remind you who the good guys are supposed to be.

As long as it doesn't cut into pro corporate 1% profits.

This is not the Democratic party I signed up for.

[Baobab]

12. I could almost guarantee that (the "France rejecting TTIP") is part of a good cop bad cop routine :(

They never ever could get these things through if they were honest- which should tell you how bad they are.

The drama is ..

so the phony politicians here in the US can pretend they only acquiesced to these parts (the ones that I am telling you about now), (procurement of government bought services, leading to full presence here for innumerable foreign service providers for example in staffing- at very low wages- ) reluctantly.

After all, it means no more New Deals, no more stimulus to create jobs will be possible, an end to parts of the economy which benefit groups like women and minorities more than average - like the soon to be former public services- and likely dramatic falls in wages for what would have previously been considered good jobs.

We will lose the entry level and business will sink into mediocrity nationally- due to a loss of hope-

They will blame it on this and that (especially immigrants, who dont deserve this skapegoating) but they have been planning all this for 20 years, all the way back to the Clinton Administration.

Google "Disciplines on Domestic Regulation"