Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWhat do you guys think? I'll quietly leave if you disagree.
Because my beliefs of the Democratic Party have been misguided all my life if I'm wrong. Luckily Bernie woke me up, I never even voted before, but I always considered myself a Democrat and whenever I had to write it down, I said that. But if this is too much, I will gladly leave now and leave what hope I have for the party with it.
Is it too much to state my opinion and have it hidden? No discussion.
She will suffer for the injustice of her campaign and how she ran it, and her alliance to corporations over the American people. Suffer as in, a loss for the election. And if she becomes the nominee I can finally get rid of the guilt of being in this disgusting party. I'm just as excited about that. Bernie's way would have been easier no doubt, but taking out Hillary this way will be funner. And more satisfying
That is how I feel, how can anyone understand if it's not said?
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)What action will you take to purge your guilt?
Are you suggesting voting for JS or DT or writing in BS name?
Joob
(1,065 posts)edit: So yes, probably JS. But I still had hope for this party but felt like this thought needed to be said not punished
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)It gives me a lot of time to THINK about things. I understand how you feel.
Joob
(1,065 posts)The things she will say to win, I'm sure we can go back to Obama when he was running and the things he said. She's like an unpolished version of him, and even then. Bernie is the one who pushed her that way, and EVEN THEN she is known to lie throughout even this campaign, regardless of her past lies.
Even if it came down to having to choose two evils, I'd rather choose none. Because I still believe in people.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)me too.
:sigh:
Jill Stein is running on the Green Party ticket or you can always write-in Bernie on your ballot.
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BERNIE
leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)go to Bob Reich's Facebook page. The discussion/arguments go on for miles.
No bar whatsoever.
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)I myself have supported Bernie for president since day 1 including with a number of modest donations, and was among those hoping even before that that he would run AND TO RUN IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES and not as a third party splinter candidate. I hope and expect that he will continue to campaign until June, amassing as much support and as many delegates as possible, and building up that crucial network for future political organizing (which as the 'progressive opposition should start soon after the Nov election no matter who wins), and that if Hillary is the nominee, and it now seems likely, I hope and expect that he will actively support her and Democrats in a wide range of key Congressional/Senatorial races in the GE. In part, his support for Democrats in the national election if he does not get the nomination will make it that much easier to be able, after November, to organize the (relatively) progressive wing of the Democratic Party, from the grass roots. Some have insultingly compared Bernie and such possibilities to the teabaggers of the right in terms of substance ('uncompromising') although Bernie is spot on while the teabaggers are completely full of crap -- however, if progressive Democrats could get to the point organizationally reached by the Tea Party & the ideological right in this country that would be an achievement. Hopefully the relatively progressive wing of the Democratic Party will be MORE successful over time within the Democratic Party than (so far) the teabaggers have been in the GOP, and will triumph within the Party and the country as a whole over the various political forces, from neoliberalism to neanderthal reactionary politics, to its right.
I know however, that there are MANY supporters of Bernie who feel the way expressed in the OP, and especially want to convince those that are in swing states not to stay home, and to make SURE that neither Trump (nor Cruz) ever occupy the White House. The notion that a resounding defeat of the mainstream of the Party will help progressives didn't work in 1980, or 84, or 88. We only got the Party moving further to the right under Bill Clinton. And since then, including Obama, who has turned out as president to be far more centrist than many of his supporters from day 1 in 2007, including myself, had hoped, the Democratic Party has remained in the grip of various shades of neoliberalism, where it remains.
Bernie's delegates can fight to win a number of platform concessions, on particular points often with a large number of supporters among Hillary's delegates. And after November BOTH within AND outside the Democratic Party, hopefully Bernie himself and his network, his lists of donors and his networks in states across the country from the primary campaign, can be the core of an opposition.
I would add that although no serious multi-issue progressive opposition arose within the party (or outside) in any sustained way under either Bill Clinton or Barack Obama -- the most important so far being the Black Lives Matter movement, which unlike Occupy has continuous long-term prospects -- having a neoliberal Democrat in the White House would provide a clearer opportunity for this kind of mobilization ESPECIALLY WITHIN the Democratic Party than having someone like Trump. In the latter case, neoliberals and progressives would be together in opposition, and usually the neoliberals would win out, as in turned out there were no serious alternatives to neoliberalism at the end of W's disastrous presidency
But how can Bernie supporters like myself who urgently call on fellow Sanderistas NOT to stay home or (in swing states at least) vote Green or whatever, if there is any chance of a Republican getting the White House? By effectively limiting DU to those who support the nominee, the others will flee or silence themselves. I have posted numerous times on Bob Reich's facebook conversations and they are ABSOLUTELY not the same thing, though they have some value
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)I can understand the feeling. It is like watching a bad movie. You can see everything going on and know that it is not possible, but people still prop up someone that cares nothing about them.
I have voted Democratic Party since I was able to vote and after this primary, I fear I will not be able to vote for the Democrat if it is Hillary. I can't do it.
surrealAmerican
(11,361 posts)It's a bad movie we've seen before - many times, and it always ends the same way.
jillan
(39,451 posts)when you know exactly what's going to happen next.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)rather than candidates and political labels.
That continues to be the appeal of Bernie Sanders -- he champions a collection of causes. He may not become the nominee but all of us will continue to fight for the changes we most want to see in this world.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)It gives the illusion of choice.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)laying the cornerstone of a true people's party.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)As for going to bed, there is no choice.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)99% of Bernie supporters feel the same and will follow suit.
Unless she's INDICTED *REMEMBER THE FBI INVESTIGATION?*, November will be a rude awakening for the insidiously CORRUPT so-called "Democratic" party. They won't know what hit them when she loses....BY A LANDSLIDE.
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BERNIE
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)the manner in which she got the nomination has made
me not care in the least.I will just stock up on poppy corn,sit back
and watch it all unfold.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)It will be a glorious day.
And it will happen.
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BERNIE
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)A lot of people feel the same way.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I have to live with myself and there's no way I could live with someone who'd vote to put an underhanded, bare-faced LIAR in the Oval Office. I can sorta give the rethugs a pass if the elect DT - their choice based on stupid logic. But for a thinking person to elect a phony - there's no pass for that. Doing that would make me just as stupid as the Trump proponents.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)OK, chances are slim; but, there's too much to gain or lose here.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)been anything but a Democrat. But I am going to register as an Independent as soon as our convention is over.
The reason I am doing this is because Independents now out number Democrats. And I think they are going to even out number them more after this election. By moving to the larger party we can force the Democrats to earn our votes like they have never had to before.
I can do this because my state allows Independents to vote in the caucuses. By becoming an Independent I will gain power and the dear establishment will finally wake up.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)I can't vote for her. She's made it very easy to not vote for her. Her lies, her sense of entitlement, her campaign's abhorrent dirty tricks, the cyberterrorism - (REALLY, HILLARY?) the voter suppression, her neocon beliefs etc. etc. I can't ignore my own values to play their game any more. The cognitive dissonance has reached maximum load. She's a Democrat? Yeah, and I'm Queen Elizabeth.