A Message for Bernie Sanders supporters from the Hillary group

[Binkie The Clown]

I'll leave out all the fluff and simple quote the salient arguments from the OP of the same name in the HRC group:

You "are being forced to watch as (your) beloved candidate, St. Bernie, slips into a death spiral which can only culminate in a fiery crash."

You are "Berniebots".

You "are new the political game and are not yet able to separate political reality from utopian liberal dreams."

Your kind "make up 13% or less of the country’s electorate."

If you don't support Hillary "The only other alternative is to live under a Republican President, a Republican controlled House and Senate, and a Supreme Court controlled by ultra conservatives for the next 20 years."

"It is nearing the time that we all need to put aside the ill and hurt feeling of a long and often difficult primary process and unite behind the ultimate Democratic nominee for the highest office in the land. "

In summary: Here are a bunch of condescending insults guaranteed to hurt your feelings, now you must put aside your hurt feelings and toe the line.

[Cassiopeia]

1. Yeah, I'm sure that's gonna work.

A vote for Hillary is a vote to guarantee a Progressive doesn't have a shot at the WH until 2028 at best.

[Meteor Man]

2. Lions and Tigers and Bears!

Oh my!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I am so sick of the sneering and condescension from that bunch.

I get disagreeing and arguing, that is just politics. But after all that attitude how can they expect us to just fall in line?

[jillan]

4. I can't see anything posted in that forum.

In my honest opinion that needs to be alerted on. I can't do it because I have trashed entire group.

[CoffeeCat]

13. I trashed that group long ago (nt)

[RKP5637]

76. Same here. Nothing of value comes from them, mostly sneers and snarks. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

5. I like how the "peoplesview" guy is gonna HAVE HIS REVENNNNGEEE on anti-Clinton websites

YOU WILL ALL PAY! PAY, I SAY! PAY!

[Beowulf]

10. I think you can kiss net neutrality goodbye under a Hillary administration

[Ghost Dog]

44. Agree. Very important point. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

74. We will have to create our own underground network

It has been done before, it can be done again. It may not be as fast or as slick as their's, but it'll work just fine.

[appalachiablue]

83. That was quite clear some time ago. Those, including avid advocates here

who thought the technology would remain practically free and open, and sanctioning by TBTB wouldn't take place were naïve. If well meant.

[Autumn]

23. A portrait of Spamdan from the PeopleSpew.

Somehow I thought he would be taller. Guess that steaming pile of bullshit that falls out of him and falls to the ground just makes him look taller.

[QC]

48. I hate The Peehole Spew.

Where do they find all these shitty little blogs?

[Autumn]

52. In the sewer

[TSIAS]

6. I don't get Brock's online trolls

They have done nothing but turn people against Clinton. I would be more eager to vote for her were it not for these paid posters.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Pfffft!

If they don't want to live under a Repub regime and have a RW rabid SCOTUS, they should be voting for the DEMOCRAT, Bernie, not the candidate who has been ENDORSED BY DAVID KOCH.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[GoneFishin]

18. I know it. We should avoid a right wing POTUS by voting for another right wing POTUS.

So I much of the crap they shovel doesn't make sense when it is distilled down.

[napi21]

51. I LOVE Bernie, voted for him, and sent him money many times, BUT, you really can't believe there's

no diff. between Hillary & any Pub!! My BIGGEST CONCERN is the SCOTUS. I don't want a Pub controlled SCOTUS for the next 0-650 years. 60+ has been way more than long enough.

I know Hillary will never be like Bernie, but he HAS pushed her to the left, and I think he will continue to do that.

When Bernie gets to the convention he WILL have some demands. I don't know what they';; be, but I do know he won't let us down. Let US not let him down by letting any Pubbie win the WH.

[Fawke Em]

62. Can't say I agree.

Obama has nominated a pro-corporate, pro-Citizens United judge in Merrick Garland. Heck, we don't even really know what his stance is on many social issues.

If Garland is the best establishment Dems can do - and make no mistake, Hillary is the epitome of establishment despite her gender - then the SCOTUS argument is off the table.

It makes no difference anymore.

[napi21]

72. That's NOT te reason he nominated Garland. He nominated him in an effort to get the obstinate Pubs

to fill the vacancy. Garland is moderate enough that they SHOULDN'T have had any objection. Most of them actually DON'T object.

Apparently Me. McChinless has a whole lot of control over his caucus because they haven't budged yet. If you paid attention, almost all the talking heads have been saying if a Dem wins the WH, it's likely who ever it is will ask Obama to pull the Garland nomination so they could nominate a much more left wing candidate.

[GoneFishin]

75. Bernie pushed Hillary's public rhetoric to the left. That is meaningless except to those who are

fooled by it.

[sarge43]

8. If I weren't blocked, I'd love to post this at Camp Weathervane

[Jackilope]

9. LOL! Yeah, good luck with that approach ...

I trash canned that den of vipers back awhile ago. Glad to not read the hisses in thst echo chamber.

[Ed Suspicious]

11. Fuck them.

[840high]

34. Ditto

[jpmonk91]

40. Lol

I like it. Quick and to the point

[bkkyosemite]

14. They keep believing those polls...boy are they in for a surprise

I am not new to politics..I'm almost 70 Hillary's group...Get a grip!

[BobSmith4152]

15. OK so what? So this year's PUMAs are just as arrogant and entitled as the last bunch? That's not

the problem.

The problem is that the original PUMAs were Democrats and candidate Barack Obama brought in young or Independent or people who had given up on the process voters. We could go back to PUMAs after June and say "Hey you've always been a Democrat, and like it or not, this is our candidate this year" By the convention they'd mostly evaporated and they added to they Independent and/or first time voters.

This time the nominee is the, excuse the expression, Establishment candidate and Bernie's "reach out" voters owe no allegience to the Democratic party. Knocking on doors with Hope and Change is one thing but what am I going to do with "incremental let's not rock the boat but I want you to take an hour or two of your life to do something you've never done before because...because..." what?

[cantbeserious]

16. This Citizen Is Tired Of Being A DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Lap Dog

eom

[Smarmie Doofus]

17. I've been laughing at HRC INC. since it landed on the ground in NY in 2000....

.... looking for a US Senate seat, and her handlers were telling people ( i.e. the tabloid billionaire media that is headquartered here) that Clinton was really part Jewish because she had.... let me see if I can remember this right now... a "step-grandfather" ( whatever that is) who was part-Jewish... or secular Jewish.... or ethnically Jewish. Or *some* kind of Jewish.

Then there was scurrying out of the Gay Pride Parade just before it passed St. Patricks Cathedral at 50th street.... and rejoining it at 48th street... so as not to offend the Cardinal by parading right in front of that holy place w. a bunch of sodomites.

Just good politics, right? Myyyyyyyyyy *shero* !

It ( HRC Inc) has elevated cynicism and contempt for the intelligence my fellow citizens to the level of high art.


Really.... it is w. mixed emotions that I oppose her this time around. Part of me looks forward to the laugh-out-loud shenanigans that four more years of this in the national stage would entail. The entertainment value potential is supremely seductive.

What sobers me up really quick is: what new wars is she going to start? And how many people are going to die, get displaced, become disabled, become orphaned.... because of her?

It. Them.

[Bohunk68]

77. Thanks for that second paragraph.

Had not heard that before. That will mean something to a lot of my GLBT friends.

[Snarkoleptic]

19. If not for my being banned, I'd ask them to speak to these 27 questions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kris-seto/questions-for-hillary-supporters_b_9631302.html

[Kalidurga]

20. I trashed that group back in July

Okay maybe not that soon, but I sure didn't go to any threads on purpose that said they were from the Hillary group. I at the very least skipped over those posts when I read "Not good enough Bernie." That article was so poorly written and Hillarians acted like it was Shakespeare that I knew it meant that discussing the issues with them was going to be impossible. If they will praise an article like that it meant reason was gone, they fled to the dark side and nothing would bring them back. This is the essay in question:
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/05/not-good-enough-bernie.html

I am not linking to the DU thread it appeared on. That disgusted me. An article talking about things that happened before Bernie was born and things that Bernie has publicly denounced many times. Because he didn't start his campaign talking exclusively on issues that effect POC. The facts be damned in this essay, the Hillarian must find something anything to insinuate that Bernie is insensitive about racial issues. As if Hillary has the inside scoop on such matters. Feck em.

[Kittycat]

21. Translation...

Donate, phone bank. Show your support loud and proud. Remember that after the convention, after Novemeber, our work is just beginning. No matter what.

Thank you HRC group for the encouragement we need to remind us why #revolution matters. Do you hear the people sing? You will

[Voice for Peace]

22. This is the new unity tactic

The problem is that you can not fake love. Even when they try it comes out nasty.

[Bohemianwriter]

26. Sounds as genuine as one of Hillary's campaign speeches...

[Mbrow]

24. And if we elect HRC

we will have the same thing in the long run anyways. Her polices are so pro business and in a weird way it makes sense, Build up a party so fucking crazy that any thing else looks sane. The problem is the "sane" party is still selling us down the river. I guess we were not suppose to notice....

[Bohemianwriter]

25. Excuse me while I am rolling on the floor, laughing...

If that's their idea of an outreach, I hope they will enjoy the crumbles Wall Street leaves you while their Anointed One goes after those African American "Super-predators", continuing the perpetual war on minorities and liberals like Nixon did.

Or perhaps they can explain to their kids why it's important to volunteer for the next war in the ME.

With your attitude, you will never gain any friends among independents (who are 40% of the voting population) nor the real liberals in the party who have seen for a long time how your oligarchs have been buying your party leadership with one corrupt politician at a time.

Wonder why they never come in here and do the same "outreach"....

[Binkie The Clown]

35. It was clearly not meant to be "outreach".

If it were truly outreach then why was it posted in a pro-Hillary group that most Bernie supporters have been banned from, and don't even read anymore? No, it was meant only as showing off snark to fellow members of the choir. If it were outreach it would have been posted in GD-P where Bernie supporters might actually see it. And if it had been outreach it would not have leaned so heavily on insulting the very people it was supposedly reaching out to. Again, proof that it was showing off snark to the choir.

[LiberalElite]

27. When they blocked me they did me a favor -

I'm sooo grateful to them!

[artislife]

28. Their opinions sound like Trumps supporters' opinions

The cult of personality.

The real clintons are being exposed more and more every day. They will not have gentle twightlight years.

[HooptieWagon]

39. They sound like Republicans.

[peace13]

29. Open the door and get some fresh air.

It's awesome out there!

[CoffeeCat]

30. I think we should all agree to a Paltrow-esque parting of the ways

A "conscious uncoupling' sounds good to me.

[Fairgo]

31. Unlike a rogue septic tank

You can put it all on ignore.

[peacebird]

32. I voted D for 41 years, worked the phone banks, went door to door, collected signatures, volunteered

At the polls. Donated time and money.

I am totally Bernie or Bust! Too many Poor policy decisions from Hillary, too much appearance of quid pro quo, too much 'laws and rules don't apply' to Clinton.

If Bernie does not win the nomination, I will break out the popcorn for the general election, where I will write in Bernie Sanders for President!

[jpmonk91]

33. My message to them: Good luck trying to silence our revolution

This revolution is here to stay! No one can stop our movement! And if we lose the nomination

It is better to bern out than to fade away

[Bohunk68]

78. It is better to bern out than to fade away. DAYUM

I LIKE THAT!!!! THANK YOU!!

[HooptieWagon]

36. They really aren't too bright.

I hope BrockBro is burning through the cash with his ass clowns.

[Downwinder]

37. I salute them, a Rockefeller salute.

[TimeToEvolve]

41. OH NOES!!! /s

obligatory post

[Doctor_J]

42. Please stop posting things from that group in here. I have it on hide for a reason

If I want to read that shit I will unhide it.

[GardeningGal]

43. I started out this election believing I would vote for the nominee regardless.....

Bill's antics in MA, followed by IL made me change my mind. I will not vote for Clinton if she is the nominee. I have been registered as an Independent voter all my life but have voted democratic most of the time.

I cannot support the Clinton lying that has gone on and what appears to be deliberate voter disenfranchisement (whether by the Clintons or the DNC, who knows?). For the first time in my life (60 yrs. old), I may skip a presidential election and it pains me to think that's what this country has come to. But I cannot support business as usual, so I may not be welcome here after the convention. I guess we'll see.

[PADemD]

45. To quote Doctor_J

Please stop posting things from that group in here. I have it on hide for a reason

If I want to read that shit I will unhide it.

[Ghost Dog]

46. Is there a scent of real Change on the wind?

Inevitably.

[Rockyj]

47. Hi You must be a REAL Million Dollar Troll!

http://linkis.com/pastemagazine.com/CivYK

[Scootaloo]

49. From the guy who used a white supremacist anti-Jewish hate site to attack Bernie

How... unique.

[eridani]

50. Current group data

Sanders group
Number of subscribers: 1026
Number of people trashing: 175
Number banned: 343
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 2.99

Clinton group
Number of subscribers: 404
Number of people trashing: 406
Number banned: 841
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 0.48

[Major Hogwash]

53. Prince would have banned if he would have posted in that group.

Prince was one of the most anti-war, peace-loving musicians of the last 40 years, a guy who fought against the greedy corporate record companies so much that he changed his name to a symbol in order to get out of an onerous record contract, and yet . . . not even Prince would be good enough to post in the Bernie Haters club.

It's unimaginable.

When Doves Cry.

[progressoid]

66. Wow.

[Plucketeer]

71. Wow!

Well, they ARE the "shit list" authorities!

[democrank]

54. It`s part of The Third Way`s new Outreach Program developed at Corporate Headquarters.

A David Brock kind of plan with built-in punishments for any and all who dare try to interfere with the rightward trend in the Democratic Party.

But, prepare for the upcoming demand for unity in what I`m certain will be the most absolutely heartfelt, genuine words designed to show just how much Hillary and her supporters respect the Progressive Wing. In fact, I bet they`re looking forward to working with us....after general election vote.

[dana_b]

55. we are not self loathing masochists so

they can kiss our... or not actually. That's a revolting thought.

Btw - I can't speak for others but there's no way that they can "hurt my feelings" because none of them mean a damn thing to me. Nor does their vile candidate.

Oh, and we indys are something like 45% of the country and at least half of us are on the left so their numbers are all kinds of messed up. Of course we know that Hillbots suck at math.

[Jim Lane]

56. That's actually moderate compared to some of the shit they've thrown our way.

If Clinton is the nominee, I intend to vote for her. Nevertheless, although I regard that choice as clear in light of the horrors on the other side, I can understand the Sanders supporters who disagree.

What I can't understand is why some of the Clinton supporters seem to make it such a high priority to insult us. They've been saying for a year now that Clinton would inevitably be the nominee. There's no reason for them to devote energy to disparaging a "hopeless" candidacy, but it's particularly boneheaded for them to act in ways that will hurt their candidate if she is the nominee. The net effect of all the DU posts by Clinton supporters has been to decrease rather than increase the number of votes she'll get in November if she's the nominee.

[HooptieWagon]

67. You're making the assumption the Third Way wants to win GE.

Oh, it would be icing on the cake, but their goal is to keep the corporate checks flowing. This they can do, win or lose in the GE, as long as they retain control of the Democratic Party and keep progressive populist candidates from getting on the GE ballot.

[Jim Lane]

69. No, I'm making that assumption about most of the individual Clinton supporters on DU.

I agree with you that, in the wide world, there are Third Way types who are backing Clinton but who would prefer a Republican victory to a Sanders presidency. Among the Clinton stalwarts on DU, though, I think those people are a minority.

The people you're talking about would back Clinton against Trump but would back Bush (or some white-knight mainstream Republican like Ryan) against Sanders. In a Sanders versus Trump matchup in the GE, they would have no comfortable home. That's why that matchup might prompt someone like Bloomberg to make a run.

[Joob]

57. If Hillary wins, I'll be looking for a "Liberal" party.

They sound like Republicans

[senz]

58. Far uglier than any tea party Republicans I've encountered online.

I won't miss them.

[Scuba]

59. So I'm new to politics, eh? And Medicare for All is a utopian dream?

They're so wrong on these, and other, issues as to be laughable.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

60. If Hillary is our nominee

I will cringe when the Republicans open all her baggage and it will be ugly.

[creon]

61. bad form

Fence mending time.

For both sets of partisans.

For friends of Sanders:

Chill

For friends of Clinton

Chill.


"the enemy is that way son".

[JEB]

63. Yeah, well, fuck that shit. eom

[arikara]

64. And now they're bleating about this

Hillary beats Trump 61-25 among millennials new poll finds.

They might slightly prefer her to Trump, but do they REALLY think millennials are going to get out and vote for her?

[HooptieWagon]

68. A few millenials will vote for her.

Some may vote for Stein. A good number will decide its a nice day for the beach. If Camp Weathervane thinks a majority of millenials will be excited and motivated to vote for Clinton, they're delusional. Millenials are looking to change the status quo, not continue it.

[Flying Shoe]

65. No hope?

So you are suggesting we give up hope of ever getting a progressive candidate? If we give up on Bernie, we get in this hole of lesser of two evils and never get a candidate with the right policy. It is our job to fight for what we believe in, no matter what.

[Bettie]

70. And they wonder why

we're not falling all over ourselves kissing their feet.

[VulgarPoet]

73. Fuck falling in line.

[islandmkl]

79. thank every possible spirit in the sky, or lack thereof, they didn't go all Leo Sayer on us:

damn, i hated that song...which may be because it was only played ad nauseam that whole spring and summer of 1977...

[ladyVet]

80. #Iwillnotheel. That is all. nt

[shadowandblossom]

81. Hi again closet Republican. Said before and I'll say it again... I see you.

[Binkie The Clown]

82. LOL

WoW! You're good at this!