Gotta hand it to her, Hillary definitely succeeded tonight

[QC]

in reminding people why they dislike her.

I used to like the Clintons a lot and spent years defending them. Now? I just wish they go tend to their moneygrubbing and let some new leaders step up and at least start undoing some of the damage of Clintonism.

[jillan]

1. I love your avatar!! That's great :)

[QC]

2. Thanks!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

3. She's like Bill without the charisma

[QC]

6. Totally. He was a masterful campaigner, regardless

of whatever failings he had. The guy genuinely loved mingling with people. He even enjoyed taking on hecklers and did it with a smile.

I think Hillary could well be smarter than Bill, but she doesn't have his political skills.

[potone]

7. Actually, I think Bill is smarter.

Like the poster, I used to defend both of the Clintons, and I think there was a great deal of unjustified vilification of them both when he was in the White House. But something happened to them, perhaps in part because of all of that abuse. Ever since they left the White House, they seem to have spent all of their time with very wealthy people, and they have lost touch with how most Americans live.

Hillary's behavior tonight, and her constant shifting of positions and evasion of questions has alienated me. She also is condescending and arrogant. I realize that she will probably win the nomination, but it will be hard for me after this primary season is over, to vote for her.

I appreciate her support for women's issues, which are very important to me, but I think that the biggest and most urgent problem we face is climate change, and I don't see her addressing that with the degree of passion and commitment that it will take to solve the problem. That frightens me, because we are running out of time to head off catastrophe.

[Scootaloo]

9. A rich white person with no concept of boundaries or responsibilities?

[malokvale77]

11. You nailed it. nt

[Zira]

16. +1

[leftcoastmountains]

4. Ditto!

I thought I would vote Hill this election cycle. Once Bernie announced I was excited
after listening to him on Thom Hartmann for years. Now with everything that has happened
this primary season I have really grown to dislike her. Amazing how things change so quickly
at times.

[QC]

10. I was still feeling pretty proud of her during that endless Benghazi hearing.

It was fun watching stupid people trying to trip her up. The way she couldn't quite hold back her contempt for those clowns made me chuckle.

But this campaign brings us right back to the disgraceful way she treated Obama, going scorched earth and then retreating into phony victimhood when called on it ("Shame on you, Barack Obama!&quot

Her primary campaign has consisted of little besides smearing a good man. It's the kind of things Republicans do. Republicans and Hillary Clinton.

[malokvale77]

12. It's the smearing of Bernie...

I can't forgive that.

[QC]

18. Same here. It's ugly and so very...Republican. n/t

[bluethruandthru]

21. +10000 n/t

[Nyan]

5. I was reminded me of somebody saying on TV that Bill is a politician,

and Hillary is a technocrat (I don't remember his name. He's not an American journalist).
All things aside, she just may not be likable enough to be president.

[LovingA2andMI]

8. Why Did Hillary SCREAM at me all night

And the Karate Chop Hand Movement was not a good look.

[hedda_foil]

14. You're right. Not a good look but truly terrible to hear that voice.

[Baobab]

35. It would have been better if she had toned it down a bit more once people started booing her.

I can see why she didn't want to debate.

She was really interrupting Bernie a lot.

[sorechasm]

15. Totally agreed. On stage we saw one Presidential Candidate next to desperate politician chopping

into him, desperate to get the kind of attention she feels like she deserves.

[winter is coming]

19. She tends to have a "cold" voice, which can be harsh on the ear.

And the minute she gets stressed or angry, it only gets worse.

[LiberalArkie]

20. She definitely needs to tone it down

[QC]

25. Let the microphone do its work!

I think her voice takes that hard edge when she tries to project. Her normal speaking voice is rather nice. It's when she tries to holler that it takes on a harsh edge.

As many consultants as that campaign has, surely they can afford a speech coach.

[LiberalArkie]

27. You know that would not work out at all. A speech coach would have to correct her

speech. Ever try to correct a manager "who knows everything about everything"?

[QC]

28. True. I have had a few students like that.

Sure, I have a terminal degree and have been teaching for nearly thirty years, but they know more than I do, because their parents say they are geniuses.

Ugh.

[LiberalArkie]

29. I have worked for managers just of college that knew more than I did about the phone

business after being in it most of my life one way or the other. The last few years I took care of internal networking at the home office of a large phone company. This was data, special circuits, lan and phones. I had one lady dressing me up and down about something, how I never could do anything right, how the service was lousy etc. We got in the elevator and then the CEO came running in from his noon run. He grabbed me and asked when I was going running with him and how things were going.

The lady had that deer in the headlights look like I have never seen before.

[QC]

30. LOL!

[thereismore]

31. Cold eyes is what really gets me. Like a fish. nt

[malokvale77]

13. I just want her to go away. nt

[Zira]

17. me too. For the sake of brown people's lives.

And the million jobs that will be lost with the TPP. And Climate Change.

[Baobab]

23. much damage has already been done

in 1995 with the WT&removethis&O services agreement which has already bitten us badly several times and will bite us more more I am sure.

[QC]

22. Just imagine getting to relive the drama of the 90s, though!

Breathless gossip/news coverage every time Bill is seen talking to a woman somewhere!

Endless investigations!

Sleazy oligarchs hanging out at the White House!

Such fun!

I'm with you. I don't bear the Clintons any ill will--well, not much--but I do wish they would just leave public life. They have become the old, rich, clueless people they replaced.

[Autumn]

43. The thought of that makes me sick. Nothing important will get done

[QC]

44. But think of the DRAMA!

The opportunities to relive the 90s!

And all the while, as we're watching CNN run shows like "Monica: Twenty Years Later" and such, the banks and their friends will continue robbing the country blind.

[Autumn]

45. Won't that be exciting? Perhaps a whole new generation to be treated to

blow jobs, penis curve and cigars on all the news shows. Again. I like them, I just want them to go away. They could buy an island like Onassis had.

[QC]

46. I like them OK myself. Got good memories of the 90s for the most part.

But yeah, I wish the Clintons would just join the international glitterati, maybe get a superyacht or live in one of those gigantic buildings in Dubai.

It could be cool to see them on the news hanging out with the beautiful people and being pursued by paparazzi and know that they're not going to be running our government anymore.

[Autumn]

47. That would make me love them all over again.

Well at least that rascal Bill. The man can grasp your hand and say a few words and no one else exists.

[QC]

48. LOL. He is charming.

He was one of the most skilled politicians of my lifetime.

[felix_numinous]

24. It's the people's turn NT

[northernsouthern]

26. Watching her getting booed.

Last debate when Bernie called her on the auto lie and she did that nervous swallow I felt bad for her, and wanted them to be nicer. This time I did not care. I am sure it was that Sandy-Hook stunt she pulled this week that I no long respect her even on that level.

[Plucketeer]

32. I haven't liked them

not since Willie parsed the word: is. Listening to Hillary now - it's obvious she's taken Bill's advice to the letter!

[noiretextatique]

33. She does that lot

She not very good a campaigner, and she comes across as insincere, and condescending. She's definitely not as extroverted as Bill...I wonder if she's on the shy side?

[QC]

36. I think the witch hunts of the 90s changed her,

and it's not hard to see why. I didn't see the brittleness and secrecy then. Bill 'n Hill were a refreshing change after Ronny 'n Nancy and then, God help us all, George 'n Bar.

They were young and optimistic and didn't tell us that changing things is hard and we should just stop whining and be grateful for what we have.

Now they have become the Bushes.

I got to see Hillary in action at a small rally in 1992 and even chat with her briefly, and she was warm and a good speaker and obviously very, very smart. But a lot can happen in 25 years.

[noiretextatique]

38. The iron lady thing is not appealing

For some reason, I don't remember much about her during that time...not until Bill's dalliances surfaced.

[QC]

40. Yeah, but I think I prefer the Iron Lady persona to Quivering Victim.

The problem is how she whipsaws from one to the other, according to the needs of the moment. One minute she's a Valkyrie in a steel bodice and the very next, when someone criticizes her, she's deeply wounded and might collapse in tears.

It would help if she would choose one or the other, or, better yet, be herself.

[Utopian Leftist]

34. The scariest thing

is that she hasn't been pulled to the left by Bernie at all. Not one bit.

Everybody said that Bernie would pull her to the left. But really?

I mean, yes she is doing the Flippity-flop dance on $15 instead of $12, but we all know she thinks $12 is enough for the "Proles," and that she won't lift a finger to help rally support for more than that, should she by some miracle actually get elected.

[noiretextatique]

39. That will make it very difficult to vote for her

Unlike many, her intransigence is frightening to me also.

[Duval]

37. I used to like them, especially Bill.

I swallowed his NAFTA push hook, line and sinker.

[liberalnarb]

41. Clintonism. Thats a good term for it.

But I call it neo-liberalism, or moderate repukism. What Bill Clinton did forcing "workfare" on the poor was terrible.

[QC]

42. Basically, it's Republicanism with a Smiling Face. n/t