Under the Bus, Jimmy, Under the Bus you go....

[n2doc]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511696186

[malletgirl02]

1. Jimmy Carter is now the chief Bernie Bro to the Media.

How dare a former U.S. President not pay homage to our feudal lords, the Clintons?

[EdwardBernays]

2. Not to be a huge jerk

But

I love Jimmy Carter.. Proud to claim him an ex-president. Of my country.

But.

His foreign policy was pretty awful.

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

So Carter was warned that his potential actions could lead to a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - and all that that implies - and he still did it.

That's an Iraq War sized blunder.

I love the man and his work, but we have to be completely honest or we become no better than Hillary Clinton.

[surrealAmerican]

3. This was our country's longstanding cold-war policy.

We would have done anything to weaken the Soviet Union - and we did.

[EdwardBernays]

6. Well...

By not challenging the status quo he prolonged it, and that status quo led us to 9/11 and the Iraq War and ISIS.

I can't really just forgive that because everyone was doing it... Plus he KNEW how many dead kids would result from a Soviet invasion...

So...

I'm unwilling to simply forgive bad things because they're common.

[n2doc]

4. All presidents make mistakes

Carter came in with little foreign policy experience and was led astray in several areas. The difference is, he has learned from his mistakes. HRC has doubled down on hers (Iraq-Libya-Syria-ISIS....).

In retrospect, the aid to Afghanistan became a problem because Republicans And W Clinton kept interfering in the region and allowing Sunni support for OBL even after he became a threat. It did have the effect of further weakening the Soviet Union and arguably was a major factor in its breakup.

[EdwardBernays]

10. Agreed

I think the moral compromises he made are yet another disastrous legacy of the idiotic cold war nonsense..

[Nyan]

5. Yes. As much as I admire the man, Carter bears responsibility for that.

He was a liberal interventionist, and sometimes that leads to deadly consequences. That was a wrong decision.

[EdwardBernays]

7. 100%

And it's good to be clear headed about this stuff.

[LiberalElite]

8. ok I commented there and got the HELL out nt

[Stardust]

9. That gif cracks me up!