The Dean Scream—what has changed since 2004?

[eridani]

Regardless of who your candidate was that year, if you posted on DU or Daily Kos, you knew perfectly well that the endless repetition of sound from a single mic seriously misrepresented the high level of ambient noise that Dean was trying to speak over. Posting this in the Sanders forum, but O’Malley can probably expect the neocons and Third Way types to cook up something like this for him as well. Dean’s campaign couldn’t deal with it in 2004. How can we deal with this in 2016?

Think of all that has changed since 2004. I attended my first Democratic Party caucus that year, and helped with the delegate allocation calculations. We collected email addresses, but about half of the attendees didn’t have email, or didn’t want to share the information. I didn’t have a cell phone until 2006. We collected some cell phone data, but the numbers were mostly landlines. The voter database that the state Democratic Party used was badly in need of updating. The use of Meetup software for organizing was state of the art revolutionary at the time.

We need to effectively blend old-fashioned doorbelling with social media outreach. I think we can do an end run around the MSM and the party hierarchy. Look at what has happened since 2004.

YouTube went public in 2005

Facebook was an Ivy League hookup app until 2006, when it was opened to the general public.

Twitter first went online in 2006

Blackberry PDAs and various precursors to modern smartphones were in use in the early 00s, but widespread smartphone usage did not take off until the iPhone in 2007 and Android phones in 2008.

Now that everyone can be a media outlet, our public discourse on race has been completely altered. Many white people knew about the school to prison pipeline and overpolicing of people of color before, but this was mostly just intellectual. A constant stream of videos of police abuse has finally connected on a gut level—not only can people of color more effectively mobilize public outrage, but more and more white people are really mad about this now, and not just intellectually. #BlackLivesMatter could not exist without modern social media.

The 2008 Clinton campaign was run as if it happened in 1996. I’m sure she has learned something from that, but Samders supporters are far more energetic and committed, and that will count for a lot. We should be able to make antidotes to any “Dean Scream” moment go viral very quickly.

[Kalidurga]

1. I don't think the scream was the problem.

I think running away from it was. Yes, it's true that it wasn't what it sounded like. However, he should have said yep it sure sounded loud from that microphone. I am passionate about my party and my platform and my base is as energetic as I am. Watch out world we are in this to win this.

That is what is good about Bernie he doesn't run away or let people shame him for what he is and what he does. He will sing for a cause, he will plow the roads for the people of his city so they can drive safely, he will march with civil rights leaders and even vote to expand civil rights and not turn around and push policies that hurt them. That is what we need to do, we don't antidote what the media pushes we face it head on and at times we will have to embrace it for the world to see we believe in what we are advocating for and it's not some pretty package for Mad Ave.


ETA kicked and rec'd

PS I hope nothing I said is taken as being critical, just offering another view point.

[eridani]

2. Without social media, how could anyone have fought constant recycling of "the scream"?

Emailing the text of the FAIR criticism to friends simply cannot have the impact necessary to counter constant recycling of an attention sucking audio clip.

[Kalidurga]

3. That's the thing Dean himself needed to combat that on his own unfortunately.

He would have had to use his face time at a microphone provided by the media at an event and say it himself. That he isn't afraid to show his enthusiasm. I think it was his backing off that was the problem. Other people say that the scream or even lack of embracing it had nothing to do with his drop in popularity and they have some numbers to back that claim up. I have no idea what the problem was myself. I actually liked the scream. I was like you go Dean. But, I never go the chance to vote for him because he wasn't on any ballot I got a hold of.

[eridani]

4. He could have combatted it on his own with modern social media

Back then, if you didn't get face time at a microphone from the MSM, you were SOL.

[Kalidurga]

5. Yeah I don't remember if he ever got the chance to be in your face about the scream or not.

Everything seemed to happen so quickly. Sorta worries me now things I really like other people are like oh that's weird you like the screaming maniac. Well yeah I do. I am fairly quiet so I appreciate people who are more outgoing and enthusiastic.

[dreamnightwind]

8. Can't wait to hear you scream in the Republican debates

and I truly hope you win the nomination. Are you sure you should be posting in the Bernie group? Probably a double agent, but for who?

[Kalidurga]

9. Dean didn't scream in any debate.

We are talking about Dean not Bernie. Bernie isn't likely to scream during any speech for any reason. But, if he did it wouldn't kill his campaign he would handle it differently. Now go away.

[dreamnightwind]

10. Here, allow me to clear up this misunderstanding

Sorry I am up too late and confused you with this poster:

I've decided to run as Republican nominee for President of the United States.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899262

I suppose both of your handles start with a "k", that's about all the excuse I can find. But hopefully my post makes more sense to you now.

I actually agree with the OP, they have a thousand ways to discredit pesky truth-tellers, and we need to be all over it to help as much as possible when it happens. If Bernie gets close enough that they feel he is a threat, they WILL come up with something. Hell, they already dredged up some 40 year old college paper he wrote with some bizarre rape story, Chuck Todd threw it at him on Meet The Press, that was shameful of him to do. If Bernie gains traction they'll come up with much worse.

[merrily]

13. Yep. It was shameful for Toad, but even more shameful for DUers.

Thanks.

[dreamnightwind]

14. The funny thing to me about the old Bernie paper being brought up

was I had emailed Chuck requesting he have Bernie on MTP since he had announced his candidacy, and Chuck and I had a couple of back and forths about it. I was surprised he took the time to respond, though he didn't say all that much. I tried to be polite while insisting he give Bernie airtime. Then when he had Bernie on (I'm sure it ahd nothing to do with the emails, just made it ironic to me) he popped him with the old paper thing, pathetic, though the rest of the interview was respectful enough, of course he wanted Bernie to talk about Hillary, which Bernie was too smart to do.

But yeah, it was sad how some DUers tried to use that paper against Bernie, almost as sad as the old white guy who doesn't care about race attacks, as if Hillary is a POC or has any actual policies that will help POC beyond anything Bernie will do, whereas Bernie will be much better for them by taking on the wealthy interests. But now I'm way offtrack, that issue really pisses me off because I see people buying into it and I just think it's the opposite of who will really help POC, they're being marketed to rather than helped.

[Kalidurga]

17. Oh I know they will try to come up with dirt

So far the tactic is to attack Bernie for things he hasn't said as in "but, what about the whales? will no one consider our policy on the whales?"

Oh and that poster was making a funny. It's hard to tell online sometimes.

As for Toad I started a petition to get him fired. Not because of what he did with Bernie though that was bad, but because his hood slipped. http://goo.gl/ZhrSWL

It only got 110 signatures I am not very good at making a thing go viral. But, I am not the first or the last person that is going to try to get NBC to pay attention to what a horrible person he is and fire him.

[merrily]

11. The scream may not have been the problem. Prefacing airing of the video with the suggesstion that

Dean might be insane, as I watched Katie Couric do on the Today Show, may have been a problem though.

I was not supporting Dean in that primary. Still, my jaw dropped that day, from the Today Show on. People had the video of that scream on a loop and they all aired it as though it said something terrible about Dean. It was aired literally hundreds of times, and usually with some mention of the possibility that he might be mentally unstable.

[Enthusiast]

15. It was a barometer of media bias.

[merrily]

16. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

And, he did.

[raven mad]

6. I want Bernie. I think he's honest.

I don't think any of the rest of them are. That's it.

[eridani]

7. And by melding social media with traditional outreach, we can get Bernie n/t

[merrily]

12. Talk about putting it in a nutshell. Well done.

[Snotcicles]

18. K&R nt.