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yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:10 PM Jun 2015

Sorry guys I am leaving the group.

I been made aware that I don't know wtf I am talking about. I have been accused of posting right wing crap about Hillary, so I won't post anything any more in regards to the Presidential election. I do best posting things about Asia, and though I love and will support Bernie, I won't be leading the charge any longer with articles from Twitter or the internet about Bernie. Thank you very much for your supportive messages, when I found good stuff to post about Bernie, but now consider me the first causality in this battle. I am done. I have removed myself from the group, thanks for allowing me post.

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Sorry guys I am leaving the group. (Original Post) yuiyoshida Jun 2015 OP
I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way. Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #1
Accused in the Bernie group of posting RW anti-Hillary stuff? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #2
+1. I forgot to make that distinction in my response. Thank you. think Jun 2015 #4
in GD yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #6
Don't let the B.. ah son of a guns get you down. stage left Jun 2015 #8
That's their intent, yuiyoshida. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #20
Than they win... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #21
Then that's too bad. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #25
They have managed to run yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #27
Did they really? That's also too bad. How did they do that? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #55
humiliation and bullying probably yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #56
Sorry to hear this - I don't engage in discussion anymore either. bananas Jun 2015 #80
There are a lot of people who appreciate what you post davidpdx Jun 2015 #81
I have to agree, but DU is not every one's R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #82
I agree with you on the real world part davidpdx Jun 2015 #83
They don't care if something is right or wrong, they are trying to stop people from sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #91
yuiyoshida, please don't leave! You are one of my favorite posters here! cascadiance Jun 2015 #57
No, Sorry...as I said down thread... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #59
There are a few people who make a career out of attacking THE MESSENGER on DU. They sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #90
Sorry, I can't ..I have been called a yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #96
That is what they do. We have all been attacked that way, 'Putin Lover' eg and followed around DU sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #97
I hope you change your mind. Your posts are absolutely fine. Don't let those that can't refute facts think Jun 2015 #3
I love your posts! Chiquitita Jun 2015 #5
Thanks..but my love is for news about yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #7
Who are they to judge what clue you have? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #22
arigatou...demo yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #24
I've lived in USA most of my life... chev52 Jun 2015 #28
don't leave the group nor quit posting in GD Ichingcarpenter Jun 2015 #9
I will be posting about Asia yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #13
Yes you DO have every business posting about the Presidential election. Autumn Jun 2015 #73
Please keep posting. Some people just have to be ignored. You have much to contribute. Shrike47 Jun 2015 #10
Others can do much better than me ... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #16
It takes a team to win aspirant Jun 2015 #26
I am with all of you but yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #30
Your material is good for me aspirant Jun 2015 #32
I really like your posts Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #11
Thanks Cheesy... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #19
Please, Please, Please do not EVER leave the group. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #12
Thanks for your kind words and encouragment yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #14
Okay, then RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #17
Who told you that you don't know WTF you're talking about? aspirant Jun 2015 #15
Come On - Buck Up Man - What If Bernie Got Disgusted About What People Were Saying About Him..... global1 Jun 2015 #18
first of all, I am not a Man... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #23
Didn't Mean To Offend You - I Used 'Man' Generically - Figure Of Speech - Sorry....... global1 Jun 2015 #35
Please stay! Your opinions and insight are valuable! LongTomH Jun 2015 #29
I am an American... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #31
My error; but, it's still valuable to hear from a person from another cultural background. LongTomH Jun 2015 #33
apparently not well enough yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #34
Does your culture give a lot of weight to braying? If not, why assume someone who brayed at you merrily Jun 2015 #94
i don't know this word you speak.. yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #98
Nor should you have to. It's untrue. I am sorry someone tried to make that untruth stick. We know merrily Jun 2015 #107
O no! abelenkpe Jun 2015 #36
Not quiting DU yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #37
I appreciated all of your posts - swilton Jun 2015 #38
Perhaps it is somebody else that doesn't know WTF they are talking about Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #39
Read post #76 yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #43
That's what they do MissDeeds Jun 2015 #45
So very unhappy to hear this. I always look forward to your OPs which are great. These packs of appalachiablue Jun 2015 #40
This is what yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #41
Hmm, didn't look that bad dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #44
Also they're very aggressive and angry lately b/c Bernie is rising & drawing huge crowds that even appalachiablue Jun 2015 #42
Here...this is the straw yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #48
A real blade slicer, rude and vicious. I've noticed it recently. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #50
No, This is like being a minor league yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #51
We'll be here for you if you change your mind. smokey nj Jun 2015 #46
I think you Do know what you are talking about, but the truth is unpleasant to some n2doc Jun 2015 #47
she doesn't think so.. yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #49
For years I was always looking outside of myself for the answers, aspirant Jun 2015 #52
I grew up with the love of baseball... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #54
"he could have improved" listen carefully to your words, aspirant Jun 2015 #61
Wow! Don't just post this. Engrave it on a stone tablet, then Instagram a photo of the tablet. merrily Jun 2015 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author aspirant Jun 2015 #53
And Eric Snowden is a Libertarian as well... cascadiance Jun 2015 #58
first of all a correction yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #60
I lived a year of my younger years in Hawaii too... cascadiance Jun 2015 #62
As Richard Feynman once wrote n2doc Jun 2015 #65
Very sorry to read that. sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #63
I barely post about him on twitter... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #64
So why can't you post Asia on GD aspirant Jun 2015 #66
This group is singing to the yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #68
The people who are attacking you are hyper-partisans for their candidate enigmatic Jun 2015 #67
I want away from Presidential yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #69
Keep posting and tell those partisan hacks to pound sand. The Atlantic is respectable. Scuba Jun 2015 #70
I am done with yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #75
Show them this video...in her own words. madfloridian Jun 2015 #71
It won't matter that she said it... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #74
I get that crap when I post about ed reform. madfloridian Jun 2015 #76
Have you considered posting Asia information in Good Reads? That section is very different from GD appalachiablue Jun 2015 #72
Don't leave and please keep posting! haikugal Jun 2015 #77
gomen ne yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #78
I'm sorry to hear this A Little Weird Jun 2015 #79
This!! yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #84
What you already know but see #13, 21, 25, 27, 33, 6 etc. There are issues here, and it's not you. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #85
I been called a HILLARY HATER and a RW troll.. yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #87
I'm sorry you were mistreated, yuiyoshida. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #86
Likewise DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #88
Take a break if you must. TM99 Jun 2015 #89
Please reconsider marym625 Jun 2015 #92
This should be, and usually is, a safe place for you to post about the election. merrily Jun 2015 #93
Don't go. LWolf Jun 2015 #99
sorry no... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #100
I understand your reasons but I hate to see you go. arcane1 Jun 2015 #101
I will be around.. and I will post about yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #106
Groups are too rigid HassleCat Jun 2015 #102
My problem is not this group yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #104
I look forward to your posts about Asia :-) Bradical79 Jun 2015 #103
Thank you yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #105
Sorry people can get so mean, yuiyoshida. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #108
They don't seem like yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #109
Until bullies are cured of their bullyism, they will continue to bully. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #110
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
2. Accused in the Bernie group of posting RW anti-Hillary stuff?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Or in GD?

GD is a fucking insane asylum when if comes to Her Royal Highness, but you should have been safe in here...?

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
6. in GD
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jun 2015

And i don't want to post in a bubble. I have posted both here and there, so people there could read things I have found, but apparently, I have to now research the author of any articles, cause god forbid they may come from some right wing rag.. so I am done. I am tired of being sniped at, and will only post about things I know..which is Asia. Thanks again.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
21. Than they win...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jun 2015

I will bow to them. They are correct, I only go by what I read on the internet, and as I told one of them, if a Right Wing Republican says the Sky is Blue, who am I to call him a liar? MOST DUers have been around since Bush took the White House.. and they have proved over and over again that they know more than I do. So I will stick with what I know best, and that's news from Asia.

No one will call me a right wing troll for posting about Japan.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
25. Then that's too bad.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jun 2015

Let's just hope that the Aholes who have chased you off don't decide to take you on elsewhere.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
56. humiliation and bullying probably
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jun 2015

She has lost the desire to post anymore.. she just reads DU now.. and barely comments. DU has few Asians on this website.. They just lost another.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
80. Sorry to hear this - I don't engage in discussion anymore either.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jun 2015

I just post articles to LBN and Good Reads.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
81. There are a lot of people who appreciate what you post
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jun 2015

Please tell AshinaKimi we miss her and to come back home.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
82. I have to agree, but DU is not every one's
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jun 2015

cup of tea, and there us a world outside if our computers.

Sometimes it might be better if more of us realized that.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
83. I agree with you on the real world part
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jun 2015

Sometimes I get burnt out on DU. If this primary is just a coronation I too am going to be getting the hell out of here.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
91. They don't care if something is right or wrong, they are trying to stop people from
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jun 2015

discussing real issues. They do it anyone who doesn't go along with THEIR view of the world. Such people are weak and no one should allow them to get away with trying to censor people here.

Best way to handle them is to ignore them.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
57. yuiyoshida, please don't leave! You are one of my favorite posters here!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jun 2015

They may try to make you "right wing" by post links, but you know and we all know that your heart is in the right place. If something really is a right wing group that is posting something against Hillary, etc. and you aren't aware of their "allegiance", it wasn't your intent to empower the right wing. But if they post something that seems close to the truth and that it reflects factual events, etc. then those that are responsible for those events that are distasteful, even if noted by a right wing source are more at fault than the right wing rag that's taking advantage of those truths being out there.

The corporate media is being "respected" as a neutral source when it isn't! Perhaps we should all complain as well when everyone posts corporate media links since they push corporate mantra on to us too and we really shouldn't be accepting that either. Same logic.

I think if you like others here post articles that reflect what appear to be the truth and are what you can find from other sources too that look to be based in fact, then they really can't fault you for what you are doing.

People feel threatened by people like you, because you are upsetting the apple cart that they and those that also like the corporate agenda want to have keep power. Don't let them get to you! In the end, we'll win, and everyone will be better off, and so many people will be thankful for you diligence in trying to look for the truth for us all here when it is hard to find these days.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
59. No, Sorry...as I said down thread...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jun 2015

I am a minor league player in a major league game and I have blown it, too many times. I am sending myself back to AAA ball,..I can post about stuff I know and has a reputable source. I know about Asia, and Japan...I have no business posting about Presidential election stuff.. I don't know who the right wing hacks are, even if its from a legitimate magazine source.

Did you see this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026883780#post76

This is the straw that broke the camels back. I am done. I can play no more... I am out of my league.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
90. There are a few people who make a career out of attacking THE MESSENGER on DU. They
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jun 2015

do it when they don't like the MESSAGE. We have all been attacked by them so please do not feel that you have to stop posting your WONDERFUL posts. You are one of my favorite posters here, you post some wonderful information.

Ignore them, most DUers have them on ignore anyhow.

All they ever do is search for something to stop conversation about the content. They constantly 'question' sources, but when asked if the INFORMATION is correct, they will not respond.

I'm sure nearly everyone here could name them they do it so often.

So you shouldn't let them get to you, put them on ignore and post what you have been posting.

I would miss your posts terribly if you stopped doing all the great work you have been doing.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
96. Sorry, I can't ..I have been called a
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jun 2015

"Hillary hater", and I won't be apart of the discussion if I am labeled that by dU.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
97. That is what they do. We have all been attacked that way, 'Putin Lover' eg and followed around DU
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jun 2015

by some of them. They SHOULD be banned for their personal attacks, it is a shame they are tolerated here.

But I never liked bullies so won't tolerate their bullying by allowing them to win.

Anyone who calls anyone good DUer a hater here should be banned. But sadly for whatever reason on this 'progressive, liberal forum' they are tolerated while good Dems are run off, banned, or just don't want to deal with the nastiness anymore.

I understand and won't try to persuade you to do something that is so personally upsetting. It used to affect me the same when I first started interacting with Bush supporters. They were so nasty I remember crying one day, wondering what I had to elicit such nastiness from them. Then I got mad and not only stayed, but it helped make me tougher. It was like going to political boot camp. To be honest what goes on here reminds me of them. And it's a shame, we should have higher standards on this forum.

Take care and I hope you will change your mind and post in this forum where they cannot get away with the nastiness but if you don't I understand.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
3. I hope you change your mind. Your posts are absolutely fine. Don't let those that can't refute facts
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

get you down. Even if you have multiple sources that are well respected these same people will inevitably come up with some reason other than a logical discussion of the facts to try and dissuade you from posting.

Thank you for your wonderful support and posts.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
7. Thanks..but my love is for news about
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

Asia and I know a lot about my culture... and most of my stuff that I post about is in regards to Japan. I have no business posting on stuff I have no clue about.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
22. Who are they to judge what clue you have?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jun 2015

It's my experience that those whiners that say I have no clue are attempting to hide something.

 

chev52

(71 posts)
28. I've lived in USA most of my life...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jun 2015

And I get flak from some when I don't tow the liberal line in some posts. Stick around, we need more thinkers.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. don't leave the group nor quit posting in GD
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jun 2015

I will be forever less for not seeing your cute picture and thoughtful posts

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
13. I will be posting about Asia
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

Its a subject I know best... I have no business posting about the Presidential election, since I been told I don't know crap about Hillary.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
16. Others can do much better than me ...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jun 2015

I will leave it for them to step it up... I am done. I can not go on under such pressures. I will post about what I know.. which is Asia and leave presidential elections to the experts.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
26. It takes a team to win
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

This group is a sanctuary for all of us. We come for support, encouragement and to regenerate at times.

I hope you are feeling the warmth and love this group is giving to you because you are one of us.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
30. I am with all of you but
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jun 2015

will feel more comfortable supporting you from outside the group... I can't post in a bubble.. I try to find the best material I can, but on this subject, it is inadequate and if it is, its no good to anyone. Thanks for your kind words.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
19. Thanks Cheesy...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jun 2015

But I have to do what I am best at... and that is news from Asia... I have great sources...and I will leave the rest for DU to indulge in. Bernie will get my vote.. but I will just stick to what I know.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
12. Please, Please, Please do not EVER leave the group.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jun 2015

I don't care what others say, I read ALL of your posts. This group wants and NEEDS you!
As long as you are posting stuff about issues, I think that it is legitimate. If others interpret it as an attack, that is their problem. We all know that Mrs. Clinton, and Bernie have opposing views on MANY things. We all know that Mrs. Clinton and Bernie have DONE opposing things when it came to a specific issue.
You need to be a little tougher, and just bear what the others may be saying.
I have seen an awful lot of supporters of Mrs. Clinton post nasty comments here, and wish that the moderators in this room would do what the moderators did to me in Mrs. Clinton's room when I posted one opposing view. They kicked me out.
Such a strong supporter of our next president is really needed here, if we are to have any ammo to thwart the onset of insults that is coming from the supporters of Mrs. Clinton.
Keep posting Please, please, please, please, please with whipped cream and a cherry on top, continue to post.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
14. Thanks for your kind words and encouragment
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jun 2015

But I have made up my mind. They have told me I don't know crap about Hillary, and am using right wing articles from some what questionable publications. I don't want to research every author who posts an article.. so I will post on what I know.. or stand behind legitimate Asian news, that I know is reputable.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
17. Okay, then
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

send me the right wing Mrs. Clinton articles, via my email, and I will post them, when I get time.
You do know more crap about Mrs. Clinton than a lot of them know in their little toe. They are merely denying that those things exist. They think that Mrs. Clinton will bring them unicorns and rainbows.
Oh, and here's a little tip, don't ever use "Hillary" use Mrs. Clinton. It's more formal, and a lot of them hate it.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
15. Who told you that you don't know WTF you're talking about?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jun 2015

RW sources, we can help you with that.

Life is a learning process, not always smooth and easy. It takes a lot of courage to venture into the unknown and watching and reading your posts, you have my respect

You are creative and special and ignore anyone who tells you differently

You have friends here and we will wait for your return.

global1

(25,270 posts)
18. Come On - Buck Up Man - What If Bernie Got Disgusted About What People Were Saying About Him.....
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jun 2015

and dropped out. If he can take the heat - certainly you can take the heat. He needs all our support including yours. Don't give up because others may be questioning you or criticizing you.

Look at all the flack the Repug candidates take - and they are trampling each other just to join the clown car.

We wouldn't have any candidates on either side if they couldn't take it. Don't quit. Become more intense. Give it right back to those that dis you. Bernie needs you.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
23. first of all, I am not a Man...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jun 2015

And Yes, Bernie is older and wiser than I am, but I am by most standard measures, a young DUer..and you have a higher post count than me, which still makes me untested, and suspect. So I will go back to posting about stuff I know, which is Asia. You guys will have my support as will Bernie..but I am done posting about stuff I don't know.. so you guys who are older and know what to post, I will learn from you by reading your articles ... But I have lost confidence that I know anything about Presidential politics.

global1

(25,270 posts)
35. Didn't Mean To Offend You - I Used 'Man' Generically - Figure Of Speech - Sorry.......
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jun 2015

the only way you will get a higher post count is to keep posting. That's how I got my post count. And yes - when I'm off base in my posting - other DU'ers tell me, flame me, dump on me - but that goes with the program. That's the way this thing works and it goes with the territory. Sounds like you find things out there on the Interwebs and post them and as anyone that posts something here - that provides additional info which we might not have had should it not have been posted.

Are some of the sources suspect? Maybe - but until someone tells me that the source is slanted - I may have never learned that and learning that would make me just that much more knowledgeable and smarter than before. If it turns out to be a RW site and I didn't know that - at least when I'm talking to my RW friends - I can sift through their BS - because I now know where they got their info.

The fact that you are a member of DU to me means that you are more aware and knowledgeable about Politics than most Americans. Don't get down on yourself. Don't give up.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
29. Please stay! Your opinions and insight are valuable!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jun 2015

We need to hear what other countries and cultures are saying about the American elections. Americans, even many liberals, live in such a bubble. We need to be reminded that we're not the only people on the planet.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
31. I am an American...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jun 2015

I was born and raised in Liberal San Francisco. I am Asian, but an American Asian! In my Asian culture if you don't know what you are talking about, you are best to shut up and listen. Fine, I been told to shut the fuck up...I will do so. I have other areas of expertise I can fall back on and I will contribute in other ways to the discussion.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
33. My error; but, it's still valuable to hear from a person from another cultural background.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jun 2015

Who says you don't know what you're talking about? From what I've seen, you are as well informed as most people on this board.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
34. apparently not well enough
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jun 2015

There are some people who have been here a long time, and know how and what to post that will be valuable to Democrats. If they tell me what I post is Crap, THEY must be right. So, I will do what I hope is my best in areas I know about. They can not debate me on Asia, cause I know about the culture very well, as I live it every day.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
94. Does your culture give a lot of weight to braying? If not, why assume someone who brayed at you
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:48 AM
Jun 2015

must be not only correct, but more correct than the people on that thread who agreed with you? Why respect the brayers more than those who agreed?

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
98. i don't know this word you speak..
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jun 2015

I only know I have been branded a Hillary hater.. I won't wear that crown ever.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
107. Nor should you have to. It's untrue. I am sorry someone tried to make that untruth stick. We know
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015

better

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
36. O no!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

I like your posts and will be sad to see you stop posting about the election. I get where your coming from though. Been thinking of quitting too.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
38. I appreciated all of your posts -
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jun 2015

I felt we all have / have had something to contribute....Please reconsider.....

Your passion is what counts!

Omaha Steve

(99,722 posts)
39. Perhaps it is somebody else that doesn't know WTF they are talking about
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

I rather you stay just as you are.
 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
45. That's what they do
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

Attack the source, deflect, deflect, deflect. I swear they are somehow all on the same page of music. We saw this in 2008 and unfortunately it's not going to change. I know you're raw right now and fed up; I feel that way too. I can't tell you how many posts I have written only to erase everything before I hit "post my reply". Take some time away if you need to, it helps. But to echo what has already been said, if they silence you, they win. Don't let them do that.

appalachiablue

(41,172 posts)
40. So very unhappy to hear this. I always look forward to your OPs which are great. These packs of
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

desperate die-hards make a point to bring up irrelevant issues, obfuscate, twist, distort and attack on non issues and lies. I've even read that they organize and strategize elsewhere. I've been a target of them and have seen how they operate, to the point where I almost left, just last Sunday again! since I'm not the best at defense against their well practiced attacks.

Some here are able to effectively dismiss and call out their comments as false, immaterial or battle with truths because they recognize BS or they have counter facts. There's absolutely nothing 'wrong' with your great posts, they're only 'wrong' to those who consider Bernie their enemy. Please consider staying around in some way and at least sending links to another who can post, sort of like a team even for a while. We really need good people like you to help us fight for progress.



yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
41. This is what
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jun 2015

made me decide to quit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026883780

You can read though the thread...I don't want to go though that again, especially
post #76. I am done, thanks.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
44. Hmm, didn't look that bad
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015

I just skimmed the article and read post 76. The poster may have had a valid point about the source, I don't know that source and would be hesitant to use one I don't know at least a little.

But Hillary is no great advocate for human rights, she actually has a very spotty record on those issues, including but not limited to U.S. interventions and coups in other nations where the rights of the people who live there are secondary to corporate interests. And the article you posted looked to me to be fairly accurate re her recent changed position on gay rights.

I don't write many OPs, pretty much none really. We should all contribute in ways we are comfortable, and if we are sometimes wrong (I am not convinced you were wrong) it is good to admit it and learn. Leaving the Bernie group seems like a gross over-reaction to me, but it's your choice to do what you want.

You aren't wrong to support Bernie, of that I am certain. Peace.

appalachiablue

(41,172 posts)
42. Also they're very aggressive and angry lately b/c Bernie is rising & drawing huge crowds that even
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jun 2015

the M$S, Mainstream Media is acknowledging. Yep, mad as Hell and really upping the attacks. Have you considered informing a few of the great fighters we have on this group to look out when you put up an OP? They would help, I've seen them do it naturally. The others practice this and are coordinated as is clear; we can and do help each other too! Nobody needs a degree in political science, debate and language or to even be a Democrat to post on DU; your views and posts are as valid as anyone's. This forum isn't Debate Underground either.

appalachiablue

(41,172 posts)
50. A real blade slicer, rude and vicious. I've noticed it recently.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jun 2015

The name isn't familiar but the *avatar is new which can be a sign of a returned member or a new identity as I've read here. That kind of thing is done on purpose to shock and hurt, and it's a well practiced technique. Plenty become just as turned off as you. On the other hand, others here seem to enjoy the battle of the keyboards and the back and forth dueling. That's not everyone's preference. Anyway, glad you shared this with us and it's regrettable. Stay well and if you return we will be delighted!

Last weekend an OP I put up here casually was immediately attacked as I was on the way out to a family affair. When I returned hours later I saw where others here had got involved in the thread. The creep had been waiting for something to attack which was me and continued to harass others deliberately to disrupt and create conflict all day. Moderators came and told them to cut it out and they left.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
51. No, This is like being a minor league
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jun 2015

player in a major league game, if you can't play, get the fuck off the field and take your glove with you. I am going back to AAA ball.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
47. I think you Do know what you are talking about, but the truth is unpleasant to some
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

Love your posts. Do what you need to but don't let them get you down.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
52. For years I was always looking outside of myself for the answers,
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jun 2015

he made me mad, she broke my heart, they made me sad.

Then I finally realized that it was always just me, only I can make me mad, only I can break my heart and only I can make me sad.

Buddha says when someone gets under your skin it's a GIFT because they have now made you aware of an unresolved inner issue.

My sig line applies, so search with true love because your inner wisdom is patiently waiting for you.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
54. I grew up with the love of baseball...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jun 2015

My dad took me to SF Giant games when I was a kid. I remember how this one Japanese player came up to the giants from the farm team. I don't remember his name now, but I latched on to him as a fan right away. The thing is he couldn't make it as a major league player, he struck out constantly, he dropped balls and muffed plays. I remember one day, the coach called him in and off the field he went. We never saw him again. I read later that he was sent back down to AAA.

I was heart broken. Why was he not good enough to be in the Bigs, he could have improved, he could have been great, but the coach sent him back. Now I know how he feels.. some times you gotta give the ball to someone else and get the fuck off the field. Baseball cards were only meant for major league players..and their fans.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
61. "he could have improved" listen carefully to your words,
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

the inner you is desperately trying to reach and help you.

YOU CAN IMPROVE NOW and not relive that youthful hurtful experience. It's just an emotional childhood story that you still hold on to until you become aware that this is your life, not his.

He is not holding you back from the majors only you can do that. His experiences were his lessons, be happy for him and hope he learned them well.

When you can let this go and realize that he gave you a gift and thank him your life will change.

Love yourself, have confidence in yourself and knowledge and wisdom will flow freely into you.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
95. Wow! Don't just post this. Engrave it on a stone tablet, then Instagram a photo of the tablet.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:51 AM
Jun 2015

This is sooo good.

Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #49)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
58. And Eric Snowden is a Libertarian as well...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jun 2015

... and I might disagree with him on many other things that Libertarians believe and I don't.

But in my book he IS a hero for what he did in exposing so much wrongdoing in our intelligence service operations in this country, and those that just try to use the "Libertarian" label to dismiss him are basically ignoring the ugly truths that even infect the Obama administration as much as they infected the Bush administration. We have to be above that and look at articles and individual acts like Snowden's to judge on. Many out there might have other actions that they have done wrong, but I judge them for what their general body of work is and what dominates what they do. Much as I hate what FDR did to Asian Americans in keeping them in detention camps during WWII, the lion's share of other things he's done for this country still has me so thankful for what he did. I don't just push those acts aside though, and I will remind others that try to treat him more than the human being he was, that he was also capable of big mistakes like that as well, and that we shouldn't forget them and repeat them in the future.

Context is everything! Don't let these people going after you deter you from your mission of helping us all build a better world! I believe in you as many of us here do too!

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
60. first of all a correction
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jun 2015

FDR sent Japanese to those detention camps. Chinese people helped them identify Japanese people. Koreans never went either. Maybe my family was lucky being in Hawaii..and part Native Hawaiian or they would have been there as well.

Secondly I am out of my league. I am just a minor league player in a major league game, and I have bobbled the ball too many times, and struck out far more times than I can count. I don't need to be in this game..I need to be back running my Asian Group and posting about the one thing I truly know about, Asia... and news items from Asia. I can do no good here..there are far, far more superior political minds here that know what they are doing, and won't make the rookie mistakes I have made.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
62. I lived a year of my younger years in Hawaii too...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jun 2015

back in the 60's, not too long after Obama was born there. It was a great place there! I also lived two years right after that in Bangkok, Thailand too during the Vietnamese War then. I discovered some truths of some of the people my dad worked with personally there from watching the film "Citizen Stan" that has me feeling bad of what happened there as a result of some of their actions. I wish I could have found that out earlier in life to have a good discussion with my Dad then before he was completely down with alzheimers and died not long afterwards.

The problem is if everyone feels that they can't be a part of the poltiical process because they are "minor league". That is why we have failures like those we elected here in Oregon who I have met and talked to personally on a number of occasions and can't really understand why they voted the way they did today. That is what is motivating me to take a more active role to help us find other solutions and not just "bless" those that are "major league" above us (if they really are "above" us).

It is the way they stop Democracy when they try to push down people like you and me down the ladder from trying to take an active role in public critiquing what is going on when we and so many others are frustrated now. Don't let them beat you down. You are better than what they are trying to push you down as. Many here posting are saying the same thing I am here.

I have in the past also unknowingly at times posted articles from "right wing" sites by mistake. Often times, they weren't really bad articles.

Sibel Edmonds has always been a hero to me. She sometimes sides with Libertarians too, but she always looks for us to know more the truth of what happens behind the scenes in Congress and the White House and in our intelligence agencies. I have had personal contact with her too (to the point that there are a few frames of a web site I helped build content for in a couple of frames of the film that was made about her in France), and even though she's shared what some consider damaging information about what she claims to have seen about investigations of Jan Schakowski, who I also really like as a congresswoman, and that others have critiqued her heavily her about, I feel that it was Schakowsky that missed out on an opportunity to go after those that investigated her, instead of what Sibel Edmonds said about them. I can understand why she wanted some of that information kept private of hers, but I think in that mess the wrong people got blamed too. It's going to take a lot of courage these days to fight the PTB that are abusing their powers. That's also why Julian Assange is hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in London as well too to keep him from being pushed in to a situation with Sweden too that is being used to "keep him quiet".

She used to post here too on DU a while back before the Schakowsky thing happened. I wish she'd still post as well, as we're in times that I'd like to hear her take on Edward Snowden here as well. Not having her take (and in my book she IS the big leagues in that arena) is also bad too.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
65. As Richard Feynman once wrote
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jun 2015


Sometimes I post things that generate a lot of criticism. It comes with the territory. And sometimes I post things that I come to regret having posted. Same thing. I figure someday I will post something that gets me banned. But life will go on.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
63. Very sorry to read that.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jun 2015

I like your posts very much. Don't feel to bad though.
I will tell you one thing though. If HRC wins the primary,
I will be out of here totally. Until then I will argue for
Bernie, even against the worst insults. I think that he
deserves that much from me. And I am most certainly
not one in the big or even mediocre league.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
64. I barely post about him on twitter...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jun 2015

I might re-tweet articles I see, but save twitter for more conversational stuff. No, I am better off being where I can contribute to DU in other ways. I don't need to put my nose where its not wanted.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
66. So why can't you post Asia on GD
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jun 2015

and share with us Bernie and Presidential things here in the group?

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
68. This group is singing to the
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jun 2015

Choir, when I posted things here, I also posted in GD. I don't want to have anything to do with Presidential Politics for a while.. I want to post my Asian stuff in the Asian group and in GD when there might be an interest for it.

enigmatic

(15,021 posts)
67. The people who are attacking you are hyper-partisans for their candidate
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jun 2015

I seriously wouldn't worry about it. I understand that you wouldn't want to post in GD but I wouldn't quit this group because of them. This is a protected group and the hosts have been very good in taking care of those who try to attack those here for their candidate.

You have as much right and as much knowledge to post here as anyone. I mean that and everyone here knows that as well. They attack everybody, you just happen to be their latest target.

Don't leave the group; you have every right to post here.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
69. I want away from Presidential
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jun 2015

Politics. When I posted here, I posted in GD as well, so everyone here could see what I also posted in GD. This is the nasty season, and its cut throat, and vicious, and I don't want to be a part of it. I will go back to posting about what I know, and not be ripped to shreds by those who hate what I post.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
74. It won't matter that she said it...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

it does matter that the person who said, she said it, was a right wing hack, therefore, I must read a lot of right wing crap, and therefore I must be a troll.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
76. I get that crap when I post about ed reform.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jun 2015

It's really true that the the left and right are both mostly opposed to the privatization of public schools. In fact it's hard to find lefty stuff about it because they accept it because Obama is doing it.

So I have to pass over some very good research by some moderates on the right if I don't want to be attacked.

I know that feeling of being ganged up on...and that's what they did to you.

appalachiablue

(41,172 posts)
72. Have you considered posting Asia information in Good Reads? That section is very different from GD
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

which is such a huge repository, like a warehouse for articles from serious to silly, that things receive much attention, quickly sink or are the source of a lot of contention. GD is a wild card. Check out the rules for Good Reads, from what I've seen the OPs cover a very wide range of topics from soup to nuts. There isn't the issue of K & R nearly as much because OPs are entered chronologically and stay that way as far as I understand.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
77. Don't leave and please keep posting!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary isn't the candidate, she's a candidate....support Bernie if you want and try to shrug off the negative folks who troll.

We need your voice and you have as much right to an opinion as anyone!

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
79. I'm sorry to hear this
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jun 2015

For what it's worth, I really enjoy your posts (both the ones about the presidential race and the ones about Asia). I don't post very often either - often for the same reason. I don't feel like I know enough (about many subjects) and I don't like arguing. It is disheartening to see posters that I have liked and respected for many years suddenly seem so unhinged. It seems the primaries are bringing out the worst in people on DU. Hopefully things will get better after the primaries but I fear I will not be able to regain some of the respect I once had for some DUers.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
86. I'm sorry you were mistreated, yuiyoshida. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

They are BAD PEOPLE. I hope you will reconsider.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
89. Take a break if you must.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jun 2015

I have had to do so on occasional.

But please come back. I value your posts. We value your posts.

We need to fight back against the STFU and vote bullies that a few of HRC's supporters are.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
92. Please reconsider
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jun 2015

Don't let them get to you. .you are safe here. And it doesn't stop your post from being read. It doesn't stop the information from getting out there. It does stop the harassment.

We need you

merrily

(45,251 posts)
93. This should be, and usually is, a safe place for you to post about the election.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:38 AM
Jun 2015

I don't think anyone who is a supporter of Sanders accused you posting right wing crap, did they?

If you don't want to post about the election in GD, I understand that, but I don't understand why behaviors of GD posters would cause you to leave this group.

Whatever you do though, I respect your final decision, but I would be sorry to see you leave the group, especially because of something that happened in GD.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
99. Don't go.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jun 2015

It's a strength when people with different perspectives and life experiences unite to make something good happen.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
100. sorry no...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jun 2015

Watashi wa shūryō shite imasu! I am done with this. I will not carry the crown of Hillary Hater...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026883780#post102

I am done, finished.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
101. I understand your reasons but I hate to see you go.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

Here's hoping to see you out in the rest of the DU world!

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
102. Groups are too rigid
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

It's not just the Sanders group. Most groups are nothing but echo chambers, where no real discussion occurs. Egos and personalities reign supreme. It's like being in a cult or something. I visit the groups once in a blue moon, make some kind of mild comment or suggestion, and get threatened with a ban. I am permanently banned from the Barrack Obama group because I suggested they should accept some constructive criticism of the presidents actions. I did not make any criticism, merely suggested it might be OK. When told to get lost, I pointed out they weren't being consistent with their Statement of Purpose, and -- poof! -- I was gone. The groups could be interesting, but they seem to be dominated by those who just need continuous and unconditional reinforcement.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
104. My problem is not this group
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jun 2015

I was posting here and in GD at the same time. If I found an article, that seemed legit, I would post it but now, I in GD I was labeled a "Hillary Hater" (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026883780#post102) and I won't wear that crown.
I am done with Presidential Politics. My specialty has been about Asia, and news and culture there. I will stay in that zone, and no longer venture out on promoting a candidate.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
103. I look forward to your posts about Asia :-)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

I'm sorry some of the bullies here have driven you from posting about Bernie Sanders, I usually enjoy your posts when I come across them regardless of subject. Asia is a big important subject too, and something I'm interested in so I'm glad you will still find something to discuss here.

I'm still figuring out how best to support Bernie in my own way, so I hope I can make up for the loss in some manner.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
109. They don't seem like
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

Real Democrats do they? Using vile names, and making accusations of people they don't agree with calling them Right Wing Republican trolls. The thing is, I could put those messages to a jury and it would be dismissed. "She's just being overly sensitive!!"

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
110. Until bullies are cured of their bullyism, they will continue to bully.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jun 2015

Overly sensitive people are society's moral compass, be grateful you are.

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