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thereismore

(13,326 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:18 AM Mar 2016

A VERY insightful discussion of the Clinton server problem and the ongoing FBI investigation (CSPAN)

It's not an email problem, it's a server problem. Her responsibility was to protect classified information as one of only 10 people in government with the ability to classify.

Pagliano lied on his State Dept. forms that he already was on Clinton's payroll.

If Pagliano was given statutory immunity, there has to be a grand jury.

Russian Boeing deal, $900,000 to Clinton Foundation.

FBI is trying to recover the 30,000 "private" emails that were deleted, from 6 .gov servers, on suspicion that "private" means pertaining the Clinton Foundation and monetary donations.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?406228-4/washington-journal-joseph-digenova-hillary-clintons-emails

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revbones

(3,660 posts)
1. But don't you know the FBI and DOJ are just right wing organizations out to frame her
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:20 AM
Mar 2016

for doing nothing wrong, or that someone else did something similar, or that she only did because she liked blackberry over windows CE, or that she never sent any classifed emails that were marked as classified (since she'd have to have copied the markings).

I mean, it's really just a right-wing conspiracy right?









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Baitball Blogger

(46,752 posts)
2. So, they're trying to find a serious quid pro quo?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

Some of us are here, with our hair on fire trying to tell people that the nineties was a series of quid pro quos that reached down into local government, and it's down to a search of old emails to make that connection between the Clinton Foundation and a Russian Boeing deal?

Here is what surprises me: If ordinary people, like me, can see how these arrangements are soup du jour, why did it take the FBI up to the eleventh hour of this election year to come up with conclusive proof? You all realize that they probably won't give us the details we need to hear until after the primary. I wonder if this is intentional, paced timing.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her, regardless, but damn, this is seriously a masochistic American process as far as I'm concerned.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
3. If there is any way to put a video link with this OP, please do it and repost in V&M
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016

for more exposure. Thanks!

jalan48

(13,876 posts)
4. The private email server enabled her to get around the Freedom of Information Act.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

If this were a Republican what would we be saying, as Democrats?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
12. Here's the rub: if he does, he taints his own presidency.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

Allowing state-sponsored hackers to view national security secrets in an effort to avoid FOIA requests and/or for simple convenience after the NSA forbade it for national security reasons isn't something the American public will forgive.

If Obama's Justice Department refuses to indict her after the FBI recommends it, the blame gets shifted from Hillary to Obama. Right now, Obama has plausible deniability: he didn't know she wasn't using .gov email and she went rogue.

GardeningGal

(2,211 posts)
6. Glad I took the time to watch, now I understand the issue better.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

This is a concern and wish they would finish their investigation.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
8. Wow
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

That was very informative and also very damning IMHO. They are being very circumspect and that makes me wonder if it's because she's in deep trouble and they're playing it close to the vest (which seems likely) or they're going to give her a pass. Either way, that was fascinating. Thanks for posting it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. I'm really surprised there's been no leaks, either way, on this
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:33 PM
Mar 2016

With the number of people involved, it's pretty amazing there's zippitydoodah on where the investigation is at the moment.

That said, I'm not sure Joe Digenova is a great source. He's very right wing and certainly would put the most biased spin on any Democrat. I'm not saying he's fabricating anything here, just that his perspective will be viewed (with some justification) as suspect by Hillary supporters.

I do love hearing different perspectives though so thanks for posting!




thereismore

(13,326 posts)
10. I suspect they know this is a BFD and nobody dares leak anything. It is also clear that the
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016

investigation has not concluded or there would be a huge collective sigh of relief from all things Hillary. Instead, they are badgering Bernie to drop out. Also, it is clear she won't be indicted unless they have an airtight case. The fact that the investigation is still going on tells me that there are people out there thinking they may have a case. Why continue otherwise?

It's been a while since Pagliano was granted immunity. He must have talked. I think what he said is the reason why the investigation continues today. I don't think the Clintons are particularly happy these days.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
11. I agree
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

Like diGenova said in the video, they gathered all the info and dirt (if there was any) on Pagliano they could before they stepped to him. That's how they roll. They make sure they can nail you, then they offer you immunity and then you sing.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
13. Since when is it ethical for anyone under FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION by the FBI
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

to run for President of the United States? And just how long will Obama and Loretta Lynch let this go on? WTF are they waiting for? At the very least, Obama should have discouraged her run for his office. She could be indicted at any moment and it certainly sounds like she will be. They already know she committed a crime just by having NO .Gov server and every single email she sent was through her private UN-ENCRYPTED server which was ILLEGAL.

Joe Blow and many other peons who have done far less have lost their jobs or gone to jail for far, far less crimes!

WHY IS SHE BEING ALLOWED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT?

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
14. The problem is the Clintons are not ethical - never have been
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

never will be, but her sense of entitlement is huuuuuge. The way they go after the jugular of anybody who dares get in the way makes me believe that backroom deals that were made a long time ago are about to play out. They haven't stolen everything yet and while there's still taxpayer money left to redistribute to their friends, that's what they're going to do.

Investigations be damned, national security be damned, laws be damned, the will and best interests of the American people be damned. Hillary wants her crown and she's going to sink the ship of state to get it.

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