The number of Bernie supporters who say they won't vote for HRC must be devastating.

[Fawke Em]

All I'm seeing on Twitter this morning are Clinton supporters cajoling, begging and posting links to stories from other Clinton supporters cajoling and begging for us Bernie supporters to get behind Hillary.

One, from Salon, chided us to "woman up" and vote for her. LOL! Many are responding that they do plan to "woman up" and vote for Jill Stein if Bernie isn't the nominee. (You'd think a Clinton supporter would have seen that coming. Clinton isn't the only woman in the race).

And, now that Obama has quite possibly selected the most milquetoast of Supreme Court nominees, they don't even have that on the table. If this pro-prosecution/police, pro-corporation nominee is what the so-called "left" establishment wants, then there's really very little difference between a Hillary or a tRump on the majority of issues on which a Supreme Court may rule. I believe the ONLY thing Hillary would protect is choice. She wouldn't lift a finger to stop Citizens United or prison reform or to prosecute the folks on Wall Street who wrecked the nation.

Ah, well. I'm #StillSanders

[PoliticAverse]

1. Clinton has indicated her willingness to compromise with Republicans on abortion...

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html#ooid=N1ODF1dzpHyB52_cmPb77qDHRLMY2We_

[Fawke Em]

2. True.

So, that's not even completely on the table, either.

Seriously, what's the point in voting for her if the DNC establishment will still not nominate a progressive? I thought this election was all about the Supreme Court. How is nominating "Republican Lite" supposed to inspire liberals?

[PatrynXX]

4. DT and HC have both heavily donated to the PP

yet both are against PP. Would figure though. the majority of the Abortion money donations comes from Conservative groups. who object to it. Yeah we'll give you money for it but we'll bitch about it at the same time

[PADemD]

105. Donating out of sympathy or tax write-off?

[DeadEyeDyck]

139. Maybe they donate...

In hopes of eliminating people they do not desire.

[DookDook]

43. It was her stance on this and the death penalty that made it impossible for me to vote for her.

[k8conant]

107. That's regressive not progressive.

[Shadowflash]

3. Yup.

And the reasons are exactly the same as the GOP uses to get their vote out -- Fear of the other candidate. No one is suggesting that you actually vote FOR someone anymore. Now it's 'Do you REALLY want Trump to win?'.

I expect that the green Party will have an unusually good year if Sanders is not the nominee. The fear-mongering, blackmail and scare tactics, used to get people in line, don't seem to be working anymore as people are fed up with having to chose between two substandard candidates.

[StandingInLeftField]

21. ^ I agree.

The Green platform is very interesting.

[dorkzilla]

60. When I took the istandwith.com test

Jill Stein came in 2% less for me than Bernie.

[Kalidurga]

68. I actually got iirc 100% with Jill...

But, I want someone that can beat Hillary. I do think if all things were equal Jill would trounce Hillary, but they are not. Of course if all things were equal in the DNC, Bernie would be far ahead of Hillary by now. Oh I was at like 97% with Bernie. I won't say how close to Clinton I was because that was the day I took the test, today the results might be different.

[dorkzilla]

70. I think I was 99% BS

97% JS. I was somewhere 75-ish% with HRC.

I'm still SMH that she is as ahead as she is.

And BRAVO to you for your signature line. People have to be educated. Stomach churning stuff.

[William Seger]

86. In this case, "fear of the other candidate" is a DAMN good reason!

I voted for Bernie in our caucus, which he won, and I'm still hoping for a miracle. But come November, I'll do whatever I can to stop a Trump presidency, which means I'll vote for the Democrat, whoever it is. If I have to suffer through 4 or 8 years of Trump because Bernie supporters are pouting -- as I did 8 years of the worst administration in history because of Nader supporters -- I'm gonna be really, really pissed.

[malokvale77]

115. Stop it...

It wasn't Nader who gave us Bush. It was the traitorous Dems who voted for Bush.

Probably the same bastards that voted Reagan.

[William Seger]

127. I'm talking real world

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-nader-cost-gore-an-election/2015/02/05/3261cc22-abd2-11e4-8876-460b1144cbc1_story.html

[Lorien]

130. Nonsense. I was there

this is just an attempt by the establishment to absolve the GOP and Florida State police of their crimes and allow election fraud to continue in this State. Nader was not a factor. period. The people who voted for him wouldn't have come out to vote otherwise.

"Given a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the Republican every time." True then, true now.

[William Seger]

149. Voting for Nader was the SAME THING as not coming out

... so we got Bush. In a democracy, people have the right to take that attitude, but they ought to take responsibility for it.

[Lorien]

128. It was actually election fraud by the GOP in Florida, along with State police

that gave us Shrub. Greg Palast was the only journalist who took our testimony on that (I witnessed it first hand). There has been election fraud in every election in Florida since.

[malokvale77]

138. Yes I am aware of this.

I was trying to break it down into terms to who I was replying to.

Thank you Lorien.

[William Seger]

148. The result was the one Nader supporters voted for: Bush won

Being idealistic is great. But when you get in the voting booth, it's time to get real.

[eridani]

155. Debunked: The Myth That Ralph Nader Cost Al Gore the 2000 Election

http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

In Florida, CNN’s exit polling showed Nader taking the same amount of votes from both Republicans and Democrats: 1 percent. Nader also took 4 percent of the independent vote. At the same time, 13 percent of registered Democrats voted for Bush!

[William Seger]

161. Debunking the debunking

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

"All polling studies that were done, for both the 2000 and the 2004 U.S. Presidential elections, indicated that Nader drained at least 2 to 5 times as many voters from the Democratic candidate as he did from the Republican Bush. (This isn’t even considering throw-away Nader voters who would have stayed home and not voted if Nader had not been in the race; they didn’t count in these calculations at all.) "

Without even knowing who the nominees will be this year, we can be 100% certain that the next President will be either the Republican or the Democrat, and I'll vote for the one I think will make a better President. Suit yourself, if it will make you feel better to say "fuck you, Democrats, for not nominating Bernie," but at least take responsibility for it if Trump wins.

ETA: By the way, I'm speaking as someone who voted for Bernie in our caucus and still hopes he can pull off a miracle in the remaining primaries. Even if he doesn't win, he has done a remarkable job dragging the party back toward the left and showing that progressive values are viable in national politics, which is exactly what's needed. But once we Democrats decide on a nominee, I'll support that nominee over any Republican asshole.

[eridani]

166. Blame the Democrats who voted for Bush. Plenty of the Nader voters would have stayed home n/t

[William Seger]

167. Oh, don't worry; I blame them, too

If we end up with Trump, I'll blame everyone who didn't vote for the Democrat, but I don't understand why any DUer would want to be on that list.

[GoneFishin]

112. I'd rather gnaw off my own arm than be blackmailed into voting for the anti-Bernie.

[Lorien]

147. Sign the petition:

https://www.change.org/p/i-support-bernie-sanders-but-i-will-not-support-hillary-clinton-in-a-general-election?recruiter=1814151&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive

[Autumn Colors]

169. Signed (nt)

[Lorien]

113. They finally went way too far with that shitty tactic

and using one of Hillary's dear old friends and longtime supporters-Trump- as the boogyman intended to scare us into the polls for her is also a very transparent attempt at blackmail. NO ONE responds well to blackmail.

[LibDemAlways]

141. I have asked numerous times on DU for a Hillary

supporter, any Hillary supporter, to please make the case for her. Tell me why she deserves my vote. I have never received a serious response, and lately all I'm getting is because Trump is so scary. Trump's supporters are mostly assholes and Trump has done nothing to distinguish himself and is, in fact, an embarrassment and a buffoon. But so scary that we all need to cower in fear? I have no doubt that Bernie could easily handle Trump. Hillary has more baggage than the Duggar family on a world cruise and would spend virtually the entire campaign on the defensive. Is this really what we want? I predict if she's the nominee, Bernie will receive an unprecedented number of write-in votes. Hillary or Trump is like asking if you'd prefer moldy bread or rancid milk. Neither is appetizing.

[kath]

143. "more baggage than the Duggar family on a world cruise" and

"Hillary or Trump is like asking if you'd prefer moldy bread or rancid milk"

Love those!
My, you do have a way with words, m'dear.

[LibDemAlways]

144. Thanks! You have just made my night! 😊

[HooptieWagon]

5. If the Democratic Party slams the door...

...on millenials and liberals, then it's future doesn't look bright. They will not turn out in Nov for a status-quo candidate, nor will they vote for Republicans disguised as Democrats. The Party has begged and cajoled for their votes, but delivered absolutely nothing in return. If the Dem Party doesn't wake up, they will soon find themselves just a small party of bitter old retirees.

[artislife]

9. Time to leave them to it. nt

[HooptieWagon]

16. That may well happen.

[Duval]

25. Except for two retirees here who are for Bernie!

Not all us old farts are for Hillary!!

[peacebird]

57. This one is for Bernie also!

As is dear hubby!

[marew]

76. As is this old gal! nt

[haikugal]

103. Yo...another crone here!

[fredamae]

33. Haven't they already done so? n/t

[bkkyosemite]

51. DWS is an idiot for what she had done.

[HooptieWagon]

56. She's doing what her corporate masters pay her to do....

...making sure no people's candidates get elected.

[fredamae]

156. Never think they make

an uncalculated decision. These are not stupid people. They understand exactly what they're doing and it's always to their benefit - never yours. This is-is what it is. No more - no less.

The unmasking of motives/goals and facing reality...after decades of Trust...is hard to swallow. It's not you....it really is "them".
It's time to recognize/accept and stop enabling and rewarding their "bad" behavior.
imo-of course.

[onecaliberal]

52. Turnout is already low.

[forest444]

54. Exactly.

I certainly intend to vote for the Democratic nominee even if it is Shillary - but many other Democrats won't.

Add that to the undeniable fact that having Hillary's name on the ballot will be a GOTV dream-come-true for the GOP, and the Democrats will have a real uphill fight on their hands if she's nominated.

Not so with Bernie.

[Half-Century Man]

6. This is still very far from over.

I refuse to assuage the Clinton camp's fears of a republican take over. Weathervane must irrevocable commit to progressiveism, before I will commit my vote to a label instead of a person.

"If you chose not to decide, you still have made a choice" RUSH called it years ago. I will vote down ticket completely progressive, but I will have a very hard time picking between be shot in the kneecap or the foot. I would prefer not to be shot at all.

It is possible to hamstring a tRump presidency by flipping the Senate and winning back state legislatures despite of the DNC's best efforts to paint all the states red.

[tularetom]

10. Problem is with a weak candidate at the top of the ticket voters will not come out

and the chance of flipping the senate and making progress on the state level goes bye bye.

There's a slight chance that Clinton may be able to win the presidency by screeching "Trump! Scary! Fear!" but she won't have any coattails.

[bkkyosemite]

53. I think many will vote down ticket to set the record straight that the wrong candidate was

paid for oh I mean chosen to be President if that happens.

[Fawke Em]

14. It's a matter of allowing ourselves to be killed quickly or slowly.

tRump would kills us quickly, while Hillary would continue the slow slog into gutting the country.

[Half-Century Man]

23. This is exactly it.

When you look at it through the lens of climate change. Death, fast or slow.

[jillan]

97. Excellent analysis!

[marew]

101. Oh, absolutely! nt

[HRC isnot prgrsv]

117. I'm all for hitting rock bottom ASAP

This is a terminal illness and it has been going on a long time; if we can't get a drug that is going to revive the country pull the plug.

[Ivan Kaputski]

125. If it was an animal we'd put it down right away.

[astrophuss42]

7. I'm not feeling it

I was going to default to Hilldawg come Nov but frankly now I'll write Bernie in.

[artislife]

11. You may want to vote for the progressive on the ballot

They won't actually count, let alone release the number of Bernie votes if he is a write in. But they will count the Green Party or others that are on the ballot.

[HooptieWagon]

17. Not advocating it,....

But yes, a vote for Green Party, for example, will be counted and acknowledged. A write-in or not voting will not be.

[Duval]

27. Didn't know that. I'll check out the Green Party.

And, of course, I'll vote for progressives.

[improvingthecountry]

91. Jill Stein video

You can learn more about Jill Stein from this interview at TYT:

[Warren Stupidity]

8. And here on DU: all the bad apples got dumped

back in the bin and they are doing their best to alienate sanders supporters.

[Fawke Em]

15. Do they not realize they're just pushing Bernie supporters away from Hillary?

If I'm told one more time to eat my peas, I may start looking like Linda Blair's when she spewed what looked like pea soup in The Exorcist.

[HooptieWagon]

19. They don't appear to be that smart.

Acting like authoritarian thugs will just backfire in Nov.

[kath]

145. They're not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.

[dana_b]

26. they can eat...

well, you know.

The thing that is ALMOST funny is those who think that we're just having a temper tantrum and that we'll fall in line later.

http://www.thenation.com/article/relax-bernies-supporters-will-support-hillary-if-shes-the-nominee/

That article is so out of touch.

First off, this isn't done and she has not won anything

Secondly - do they know how to look on twitter and FB?? People there are not messing around. This is different from 2008 and before that. These people have NO loyalties to the Dems or the Clintons and do not CARE if she loses. They will not vote for her no matter what. And it's not just a few people. I have seen 1000s and 1000s of people like that.

If Bernie doesn't win, there will be a mass of apathy for a while. Hopefully those folks pick back up and get back in the game later but they sure as hell won't do it for Hillary.

[bkkyosemite]

55. They think Bernie supporters are not educated (very wrong) and just regular joes (many are not)

many are CEO's, company owners, professionals all over the board....the supporters are not morons that can be swayed.

[marew]

104. You are so right on that one! nt

[GoneFishin]

114. They were the earliest group to realize they were being played and had their eyes open for an

alternative to the same old shit. All accomplished during a complete media blackout of Bernie.

[DemocracyDirect]

134. It's not just that we've been played...

It is clear to me that some actors have been plotting since 1946.

It's that they have gotten so greedy that they are devouring the planet now.

[GoneFishin]

157. Yep.

[jillan]

98. Lol. I really enjoy your posts.

[Live and Learn]

39. I hadn't noticed how civil it actually was here until they all came back.

There will be zero reason to log into DU if Hillary wins the nomination.

[dana_b]

48. +1

[Fawke Em]

49. Agreed.

Just head to Jackpine Radicals.

[dorkzilla]

62. +1!!!!

JPR is a great place with great people!

[Major Hogwash]

100. Yale beat Baylor today.

Go ahead and tell me that Nate had picked Yale in his bracket!!

Don't think so.

[cantbeserious]

136. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

[CentralMass]

140. I sgree.

[TalkingDog]

12. Nominee or not, I'm still casting my vote for Sanders. If I have to write him in. So be it. eom.

[monmouth4]

13. My thoughts exactly..n/t

[cantbeserious]

137. Roger That

eom

[kath]

18. A SC nominee who apparently has had little to nothing to say on Roe v Wade?! WTF?

And Pro prosecution/cops, pro-corporation?
YAY! - aint't it great that we have a "Democrat" in the White House making wonderful SC appointments? Woo-hoo!

[Art_from_Ark]

108. Did Scalia personally recommend that nominee

before he met the choir invisible?

[abelenkpe]

142. This is how real politicians get things done.

[bernbabe]

20. I'm a man, but

I guess I can still "woman up" and vote for Jill Stein.

Should I go in drag?

[RoccoR5955]

22. Yep. I am most certain

that if she is coronated the nominee, Drumpf shall be our Chancellor... I mean president.

So many of the folks in Camp Weathervane, fail to see that their Chosen One has to face independents come November, and independents do not like her. It's pitiful.

This kind of reminds me of what happened in Germany in the 30s. Our Reichstag fire was 9/11. That was after the coup was allowed to take over the government, when people voted for an actor, acting the role as the president. It was kind of the same thing, only in slow motion.

As far as Obama's SC appointment, he's just another corporatist. This proves that Obama wants to be remembered as a corporatist, with the rest of them.

[dana_b]

24. tough shit

if they really want a Dem, then they should get behind a real PROGRESSIVE Dem - one like we haven't seen before in my lifetime - Bernie!!!

#WeAreBernie #sStillSanders #FeelTheBern

[Live and Learn]

40. Yep, they are killing the party, the country and DU. Very sad. nt

[HRC isnot prgrsv]

121. Every Crisis Presents an Opportunity

I am hopeful this either creates a distinct faction of the Democratic Party, or a stronger Independent Party, or a Social Democratic party. However far Bernie goes he has already won; he has changed the conversation(s) and served notice that the masses are NOT happy.
Having said that however this talk of moving HRC to the left once she gets in the White House is nonsense. Between her and Bill there is way too much hubris to allow that....come on people.

[mindwalker_i]

42. Hillary has, flat out, been nasty

A lot of her supporters follow her lead and are just as nasty if not more so. Granted that us Bernie supporters have been nasty back sometimes.

[dana_b]

45. no doubt! And i own up to my nastiness

I have had to take myself out of GDP because 1) it's a snake pit and 2) I don't like who I was becoming

BUT i will say this - my actions are unlike Bernie's and I think that he would frown on them. Hillary would give her supporters an "Atta Boy or girl!"

[mindwalker_i]

61. It's hard not to be nasty

When I read 7 billion posts saying Hillary is winning and that Sanders and the BernieBros are evil, sexist people without dealing with ANY of the issues, I get a little frustrated. I don't know which side was nasty first and don't care.

[Lorien]

116. Amen! If they want to keep a declared repug out of the WH, VOTE FOR BERNIE!

Bernie would be leading in EVERY State if the MSM were treating him fairly and giving even half the air time they give Trump (They don't want to air much about Hillary because the more we know about her, the more she makes our skin crawl and blood run cold). Time to do to cable news what we did to hate radio ;Threaten a YUGE boycott of their sponsors if they don't give Bernie fair coverage and equal time!

[Faux pas]

28. If hrc, et all

steals the nomination, I'll write Bernie in.

[djean111]

29. If someone told me, a woman, that I should "woman up" and support a woman who has

Hillary's record and stances on issues like war and fracking, and who lies almost as a matter of preference - the BEST reaction they would get from me would be a directive to go and initiate some action, by themselves, in their own domain. Maybe not that politely.

[Kip Humphrey]

31. The problem is Hillary cannot win the GE.

[PoliticAverse]

44. Not even if her opponent is Donald Trump? n/t

[Fawke Em]

50. Especially not.

He gathers up those who are angry, but don't have a real Party affiliation while she drives the liberals into the hands of the Greens.

[Gmak]

165. I know in my bones you are right, but it makes me nauseous to think about.

[jillan]

99. Just now on cnn the repugs on the panel were

Drooling over her being our nominee.

[HereSince1628]

160. There are already libraries of books og opposition research on her and Trump

and his supporters will gladly haul out every scandal and hang it on the line for viewing.

It doesn't really matter if she and her supporters believe she's debunked that. It's going to be months of repetition of crap and counter-crap that will serve only to motivate partisan opponents.

The independents are mostly independent because they don't want to be partisans. Without a lot of independents, the vote will be depressed. That's generally bad for dems.

[merrily]

32. And yet it's still a smaller number than the number of Sanders' supporters some people imagine

said they won't vote for Hillary.

[LonePirate]

35. Some of us will be voting in November to protect America.

The only way to do that will be the vote for the only candidate with a chance to defeat Trump.

[fredamae]

36. The Fatal Flaw in Dems Math

Is that HRC will Never get a Majority of Indies nor Greens, nor Republicans who are his supporters.
They think they'll pull that old "ok, you've had your fun-now get in line, tow the mark and vote for the candidate we picked for you in the first place" is gonna A) work on non-Dems and B) that the Dem Wing is even close to being in the mood to follow Schumer/Brock/DWS Voting Orders.
This is kinda serious.

[dana_b]

38. Indys have no allegiance

and that's why they're indys! I know because I m one too. I'm only here for Bernie, Bernie-similar Dems and the issues.

So threatening us actually makes most of us turn away. We've turned away before and we can/will do it again.

[fredamae]

41. Exactly.

I'm really Not interested in being "strong armed" to Vote Their Pick...by threats and FEAR Again.

This is either something they're very worried about and keeping it private OR they really are naïvely in Denial...perhaps Both. Either way, This is NO ordinary election cycle and there is No guarantee they'll have even a Fraction of voters "Towing DWS/DNC/Corp Line" like they've Always reliably done on Election Day.

For months we've been told by HRC supporters how great it Is that the majority of registered Dems supporting HRC is...well, lol-Who the Hell Are and Where the Hell are Sanders Supporters Coming From. They aren't all "reliable" Dems-that's for damned sure.

[dana_b]

46. so when they say "but Hillary has more votes now so how do you

think that Bernie can win?" I say, it's simple. She can bring the Dems but very few Indys. He will bring the indys AND the Dems.

[fredamae]

47. Yes-2016 Is Different...

Very different. Bernie has People. That's all. Bernie appeals to People from All corners.
It's isn't Bernies campaign; It's all "ours". That's why I call this The Peoples Campaign.
The leaders of Both party's have sorely Underestimated the level of Anger. Pain. Frustration. Demoralization they have wrought on constituencies. Dismissal. Insult. Poverty. And more.

[Live and Learn]

158. She can't even bring the Dems. I know plenty of them that won't vote for her no matter what. nt

[noretreatnosurrender]

82. I'm not an Indy yet

I'm a registered Democrat. I've never been anything but a Democrat. I've never voted for an Indy candidate for president (should have voted Nader). They have no clue who they are talking to online. They think they are only pushing Independents away because they can't fathom the idea that most of us who aren't with them are Democrats. Because of their arrogance they are pushing more and more Democrats out too. It's really short sighted. A party that does that year after year will find themselves irrelevant to a big share of voters. Not good.

[Lorien]

119. Bernie could easily win with the Independent vote. Hillary? Not so much

[justaddh2o]

58. A crazy thought

I'm wondering that if Bernie doesn't make it as the Dem nominee, should he consider joining Jill Stein, either as VP or as P? I like the idea of him as VP and her as P, because then there's a woman at the top of the ticket and perhaps many women who want a female Pres would give them a chance.

Since indies make up 43% of the population now, wouldn't that ticket have a great chance of making it all the way? Especially with the "outsider" vibe of the country right now?

I just love the idea of keeping Bernie in the race no matter what. And my goal is to get him into the Executive branch in some way or another. I really want him to beat Hillary and be the Democratic nominee, as that's the easiest path-- and I'm working and donating for that goal. But if that doesn't happen, do you think he'd even consider joining with Jill?

[dana_b]

59. holy crap

now that would guarantee a Trump presidency. No ifs, ands, or buts.

[justaddh2o]

65. You really think so?

Why? Do you think the Bernie supporters would abandon Bernie if he were to join forces with the Green party? Or do you think America still isn't ready for a Green party candidate?

[William Seger]

67. Anyone who can't win a major party nomination can't win the general

We got the worst administration in history because of Nader voters in Florida and New Hampshire:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-nader-cost-gore-an-election/2015/02/05/3261cc22-abd2-11e4-8876-460b1144cbc1_story.html

[justaddh2o]

73. Bernie isn't Nadar though

Bernie has a lot more support than Nadar had, right? I mean, if Bernie just barely loses the Dem nomination -- like by less than 100 pledged delegates-- wouldn't it be possible that he could maintain that support on a different ticket? I'm just speaking hypothetically here, not advocating it. I'd much rather see him win the Dem nomination. But a hypothetical Plan B is interesting, too.

[William Seger]

85. It's great to dream, but sometimes you gotta get real

... and the reality is that a Trump presidency would be a disaster, and the ONLY way to avoid that is to elect the Democrat, whoever that is. Bernie knows this; that's why he's running as a Democrat.

[dana_b]

74. no, not at all

it's just that the indys would go for Bernie and Jill and the Dems for Hillary. Not enough votes to go around to get elected.

Bernie purposely didn't run as an Indy because he didn't want to put a Repub into office.

[justaddh2o]

78. But if Indys make up 43%

of the electorate and Dems only 23% (saw these figures on here somewhere) -- and with a woman in the P slot, it could pull a lot of Dems who want a woman (but who were holding their nose for Hillary) to vote for the Greens.

I agree that in previous elections there weren't enough indys, but this year and Bernie's campaign seem to show that there are more indys (especially young ones) who are ready to vote for an "outsider".

Again, I'm not advocating this, but only wondering if it could be a possible Plan B to give Bernie a shot at the WH. I'd prefer it if Bernie is the Dem nominee, as it's an easier path.

[Lorien]

123. I'll keep fighting for Bernie, but if he can't get past the MSM and DNC

then I will vote for the Greens. If enough of us do the same they could become a viable party for Left of center voters. Without Bernie, we'll have no representation at all otherwise.

[William Seger]

66. Terms of Service violation

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.

[justaddh2o]

90. Interesting...

but I wasn't "advocating" anything. I was merely wondering. In fact, I stated that I would much prefer it if Bernie were the Dem nominee.

[Ivan Kaputski]

131. IMO Hillary is a 3rd party candidate (Third Way, DLC).

[Lorien]

133. Yes indeed, she is.

[Live and Learn]

159. +10,000 However according to Wikipedia, Third Way is quite acceptable here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Underground

Activism

DUers are active in U.S. politics in many ways. Many of them attend political protests and rallies, volunteer for campaigns, and write letters to editors of newspapers and members of Congress. Some are among the members of the Democratic Party infrastructure, serving as precinct chairs. Others actually work within the confines of various legislative and congressional bodies as staff. Many active posters at Democratic Underground have worked for various causes in both paid and unpaid positions, in campaigns and for special interest groups such as the AFL-CIO and SEIU. Others are members of the DLC, Progressive Democrats of America, MoveOn, and Democracy for America.
Owners

The website is owned by Democratic Underground, LLC (a limited liability company), and run by David Allen, who posts under the screen name "Skinner"[4] while on the boards and handles most of the issues relating to the forums. The other two administrators are Dave Allsopp, a co-founder, known as "EarlG" (of Washington, D.C.) and Brian Leitner, known as "elad" of Portland, Oregon. Allsopp and Leitner handle the articles and technical issues, respectively. Previously David Allen used to design websites for Blue Dogs/Third Way Democrats in Washington, D.C.

[Ivan Kaputski]

163. ~links

http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2010/03/democratic-underground-directly-tied-to.html

https://web.archive.org/web/19991127075202/http://dlcppi.org/

DU should be named DLCUnderground.

[GoneFishin]

118. I would start doubling my donations for that Bernie ticket.

[humbled_opinion]

63. I think we have to be true to ourselves first

I would much rather go on offense against a Trump administration sticking to my principles, then to have to defend a Hillary administration which stands for many things which I cannot support..... If only she had released those Goldman transcripts this primary would have went in a much different direction.... Now I will be told to suck it up and defend her, not gonna happen...

[Phlem]

64. The Party needs to attract voters, not the other way around

which is what they seem to be doing. Disenfranchised voters will go where they want. Simple as that.

Being that the party for the working man/woman has a wannabe leader, that has pocketed for $40+ million working in the public service sector, and the party deems her inevitable and all.

I wouldn't blame democrats for being disenfranchised and leaving.

I havn't trusted our party since Bill Clinton and it seems to be continuing on that path.



A 2016 articles:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-advantage-hits-campaign-low-lags-trust-leading/story?id=36524847

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/17/poll-hillary-clinton-least-honest-and-trustworthy-of-all-presidential-candidates/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/08/hillary-clintons-honest-and-trustworthy-numbers-are-lower-than-ever-it-might-not-matter/

Republicans seem to think she's the leader they need however. Go figure.

[malokvale77]

69. Being a woman...

I have "womaned" up for many a female candidate - from Shirley Chisholm, to Sissy Farenthold, to Ann Richards, to Lupe Valdez, etc. Hillary Clinton can kiss my succulent ass. I think she sets womanhood back a hundred years.

[dana_b]

75. your succulent ass? LOL!!

I love it!

[malokvale77]

83. Well, I'm getting on up in years...

but I still have the reputation of having the best looking ass in town. LOL

[orpupilofnature57]

80. I agree and sent you the results .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=2253235

[malokvale77]

84. ?

Your link says "That's not your message!". Please enlighten me.

[orpupilofnature57]

92. I was asked serve as a juror, someone asked to Hide your post We voted 0-7 Leave it, I tried to mail

it to you . I'm Juror 5


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=2253235

[malokvale77]

93. Thank you

Could you copy paste the alert and results message.

I don't get what was deemed alert worthy.

[orpupilofnature57]

154. This

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=150040

[marew]

106. Good one! LOL nt

[malokvale77]

110. Thank you

I love your sig line. I try to live that every day.

[Autumn Colors]

71. Sorry Skinner

#BernieorBust

[SoapBox]

129. Ditto.

[JPnoodleman]

72. Unfortunately for them, I don't believe in the No Win Scenario.

They will have to pry my vote from my cold dead hands. #StillSanders

[Ivan Kaputski]

132. Captain Kirk beat the "no win scenario" too.

[noretreatnosurrender]

77. #StillSanders

They are doing the same thing here on DU. It's insulting that they think we are so stupid that we'd fall for that parroted crap.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

79. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

This is his stated number one issue that we face.

[Lorien]

124. And he's absolutely correct

that isn't even on the DLC/ DNC's radar. The science and evidence is clear: if we don't take fairly drastic steps immediately, rising global temperatures will very swiftly (within the next decade or two) lead to massive floods, droughts, global military conflict, a refugee crisis unlike any the world has ever seen, lost coastal communities, stronger storms, global famine, and ultimately ecological collapse which will in turn cause atmospheric collapse (not enough oxygen to sustain life). Ocean flora provides 65% of our oxygen, rain forests the other 35%. We're destroying the latter for cattle feed and pasture and palm oil plantations at a completely unsustainable rate. The former is being destroyed by rising sea temperatures, pollution and biodiversity loss. Our economy won't be much of an issue when there isn't enough oxygen to fill our lungs or those of any other species on the planet.

[Lorien]

126. A vote for anyone other than Bernie is a vote to deprive Milennials

of any hope of ever reaching their 60s. This is literally a vote for their lives, and many of them know it.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

153. Many Many Thanks

it may get very ugly - very soon

for many ecosystems it already is

and far too many want the war woman

[TBF]

81. #StillSanders -

and I adore Jill Stein as well. She is a woman I would happily vote for.

[improvingthecountry]

87. Couldn't agree more

Voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and I will most likely do it again, unless Bernie manages to win the nomination or Hillary cleans house (gets rid of Debbie, asks her husband to shut up, releases the transcripts and stops accepting money from superPACs). I couldn't vote for the drone president who treated the Occupy movement in the worst way possible, instead of embracing them.

[swilton]

88. You nailed it

specifically with Obama's USSC nominee which, sadly, didn't surprise me a bit.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

89. I read somewhere that it is 33%

[ladyVet]

94. I will not heel. nt

[Ivan Kaputski]

95. Hillary won Florida with only 25% of registered Dem voters voting.

What's that spell? = Hillary will lose due to lack of Dems voting or worse ...they'll vote for Rump just to fuck over the establishment.

[Lorien]

120. As a Floridian I can tell you; elections in Florida are so hopelessly corrupt

that there's no possible way to tell who really voted for whom, or who TRIED to vote, and was denied. I had several Independent friends switch parties to vote for Bernie, but none were permitted to vote, even when they came with their new party registration. There hasn't been a clean vote in Florida since well before 2000. I suspect the same in true in Ohio.

[Major Hogwash]

96. It must be in the brazillions.

[CountAllVotes]

102. I've seem some very cruel stuff on twitter

There is a segment of the HRC group that claims that Bernie Sanders is a plant via Karl Rove if you can believe that -- Rove's puppet they are calling him!

[Livluvgrow]

109. Their voter outreach

Has made this voter out of reach. Her supporters are a reflection of her and have destroyed any chance of my vote.

[Lorien]

122. Exactly. I might of held my nose a year ago

but not now. I know more about her history now, understand what the game with Trump is about, and her neocon supporters have bloody well destroyed anything that was even vaguely "Centrist" about the party. It's now the New GOP.

[Lorien]

111. I will switch my support to Jill Stein if the MSM and DNC keep Bernie from becoming the nominee

I will NOT have blood on my hands by supporting the warmongering fracking pushing child rapist defending faux "Progressive" known as HRC, who wants to bomb the life out of Iran! HELL NO!!

[cantbeserious]

135. HRC Is Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Make No Mistake About Her Loyalties

eom

[Lorien]

146. There's even a petition that will be delivered to the DNC:

https://www.change.org/p/i-support-bernie-sanders-but-i-will-not-support-hillary-clinton-in-a-general-election?recruiter=1814151&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive

[delrem]

150. It isn't because they're Bernie supporters.

It's because Hillary Clinton is a neocon. Her foreign policy is 100% bedrock neocon.

She is extreme right on economic issues. Her first and only instinct is defend the rights of private health insurance companies, regardless of the fact that by definition they can't do the job of protecting an universal right to a basic health care package.

Hillary Clinton, as president, will work to further consolidate an extreme right wing neocon and war profiteering ideology, and will work to further marginalize the progressive/liberal-left.

So it's all because of Hillary Clinton.

[mikehiggins]

151. I will vote for the Democratic nominee but only reluctantly for HRC if it is her.

I believe she is a liar and that her slither to progressive stances will last only so long as she needs to placate the leftists in the Democratic Party.

Nothing she says can be believed.

[delrem]

152. So why would you vote for her?

After all, if what she says isn't to be believed, what do you believe about her, that would give her your vote of approval to lead the USA?

Don't tell me "She's not an R" is sufficient reason. Jim Webb is "not an R", but
"Jim Webb: I won't vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump
Former Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb won’t be voting for Hillary Clinton, but he hasn’t ruled out casting his ballot for Donald Trump."

So the definition of what a "D" is, is as fluid as the definition of what "is" is.

[leftcoastmountains]

162. Absolutely agree. No difference between

Trump and Hillary.

[Babel_17]

164. If Clinton wins, Sanders will support her. However ...

However I don't see him creating a fiction as to how the process wasn't rigged. Senator Sanders is old school, and that means the process matters. It's how defeats eventually get you a victory. It's why he's still running.

Our party not dealing with this reality is pretty frightening. I think they honestly never saw this coming, and thought that stacking the deck was an acceptable risk, as it wasn't at all likely to bite them in the ass. And now they are institutionally incapable of correcting course.

This is part of why the party needs new leadership. Though Sanders is still running, and might win, we'll see them try to reach out to the millions of voters the Sanders campaign has brought to the table, all feeling the bern. Their lack of ability to do so is going to be revealing, imo.

Having President Obama running in 2008 and 2012 has papered over our party's failings in appealing to the young voters, and the disaffected voters. 2010 and 2014 were opportunities to learn a lesson, but I'm not seeing any lessons learned at the top.

No matter who gets the nomination a heck of a lot of thought better go into the platform.

[BeanMusical]

168. "... there's really very little difference between a Hillary or a tRump..."