This one's probably going to get doinked but . . .

[Le Taz Hot]

Someone used the word "sycophant" to describe Hillary supporters who turn a blind eye to her "gaffs" or justify the most egregious policy stances, behaviors (out-and-out lies) and associations (Kissinger, Cheney, Bushes) but it's deeper than that.

I remember when people in this country used to claim a Hitler could never come to power here in the U.S. Now, I'm not comparing Hillary to Hitler, BUT, the blind devotion is the same. That same glassy-eyed adoration completely ignoring her history, the GLARING warning signs of her foreign policy-for-profit, her war mongering, her disdain for everyday people and so much more. It's a blind loyalty that is reminiscent of dictators past. THAT'S why I cannot support her, under any circumstances.

IBTL

[Sherman A1]

1. I don't think I would go that far and

I don't believe this comparison is especially helpful. Certainly there are people with a blind loyalty or devotion to most any candidate (or many other people along the way) and certainly I find a host of problems with HRC's stances, statements and associations but I don't really find this to be a post that is helpful.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. It's my opinion

and I stick by it. But then again, I've never been the squeamish type, however, if the hosts want me to take it down, I'll respect their wishes. There's always social media.

[Paka]

3. It was close, 5-4.

I was on the jury. Another over-the-top alert. The only no-hide with an explanation.

[Le Taz Hot]

4. I knew it would be controversial.

Again, if the Hosts want me to delete it, I will. Otherwise, it stays.

[Paka]

19. No reason to delete.

The post was totally appropriate.

[pugetres]

5. 5-4?

Am I missing an inside joke? Or, has the jury system changed?

[Le Taz Hot]

6. . . .

[pugetres]

7. My copy/paste will look like heck but

this is what I read:

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3. It was close, 5-4.

I was on the jury. Another over-the-top alert. The only no-hide with an explanation.

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I've only seen a jury of seven on DU. "5-4" indicates a different system than I used to. I am confused.

[tencats]

8. Jury results

On Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:02 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This one's probably going to get doinked but . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280144876

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

You ARE comparing her to Hitler.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:09 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: As usual, over the top alert.

[pugetres]

9. Jury of Seven

Still not 4 to 5 nor 5 to 4...

Meh. Does it matter? I know who I'm supporting regardless of my confusion upon reading posts at such a wildly diverse site like this.

[Major Nikon]

18. Looks like the bots are still trolling the Bernie group

I've served on a few juries for anti-Bernie posts that were ridiculous alerts, but the reciprocal of that is probably about 10-1.

The alert seems to simply prove the OP. Rather than deal with all of the reasons why HRC has maintained a consistently negative favorability rating throughout the primary cycle, their tactic is to try to suppress everything as if it's all just going to go away.

[In_The_Wind]

25. FYI ~ The jury system has not changed. It's still comprised of 7 DUers.

[PowerToThePeople]

10. Imo it is pretty simple

They have sold themselves out to the hypercapitalists.

I see it in business/corporate environment too. The "yes men" and political game players make it and get promoted, the honest hard workers get passed over or pushed out/marginalized.

It is all about the money. If you have values that you place above money you currently fail in the USA.

I am all but certain I will be leaving the USA, post haste, if Bernie is not the Democratic nominee.

[pugetres]

12. What is your take on the Nine 9 vote jury system that some others are getting to participate in?

It is very interesting don't you think?

[PowerToThePeople]

14. confusion.

[pugetres]

15. I would have to agree with that.

Times are very interesting, confusing, and so very notable.

[jtuck004]

16. Ask our member who did the same thing, and thought how nice it will be to live beyond our screw ups

In the Ukraine. Well, so much for theory.

As well, I expect there isn't a place where electing the real estate swindler won't be felt. Like the sting of a whip.

[SoapBox]

11. Agreed.

[Bassomar]

13. Don't see controversy

This topic is worth discussing. many of her supporters are turning a blind eye, I bet if I looked into their history they would be outrage if somebody else did the same things, but since it is her, they are willing to look the other way. yes, they are letting her get away with lots of stuff, and I bet they will be the first to complain when she does what we all know that she will do.

[chervilant]

20. Some of

Hi11ary's most ardent supporters herein were adamantly opposed to her when she was running against Obama. Such a turnaround does make me wonder.

Feeling the BERN!!!

#NotMeUs

[A Simple Game]

24. I have thought for a long time that many are just shopping for a minority candidate.

Nothing else matters to them. They have just one qualification, nothing else matters.

Then again many on DU are not really liberals or progressives and some are very conservative. I remember some defending President Obama putting SS on the table and as recently as yesterday saw at least one defending the TPP.

[chervilant]

36. Sad really.

I cannot understand how anyone could support "putting SS on the table," or defending TPP.

SMDH...

[Donkees]

17. "Do not expect to be able to cure them. Avoid arguments...

"Do not expect to be able to cure them. Avoid arguments, especially where they can support their ego through anger that is directed at you."

[Betty Karlson]

21. The desinclination to vote for Clinton even if she manages to usurp the nomination, has

many reasons for many people. This is a new one. But her devotees will ignore it like all the rest. Or maybe with just a bit more fervour.

[ebayfool]

22. Rec'ing for doinked! :P

Blind loyalty and adoration fit. As well as the pretzel-like contortions to make the shoe fit when Clinton makes a fumble and has to be justified in her newest positions. When you see gushing about her looks (and the carping about Bernie's), the 20 to 30 year out of date pics and avatars? Oh my, if anyone did that in GD ? You know the sexist rain would fall! What you said fits. Perfectly.


I like Bernie ... warts and all. He's real. I don't have to make a soap opera serial out of his trials and tribulations to recognize his policies as fitting my idea of a president.



And for jurors or alerters:

Nothing that is being said here compares to the Clinton camp haven. Just discussing anomalies between the two camps, like discussion boards do.


LOL ... speelchucker don't like the spelling of doinked!

[ladyVet]

23. Interesting post.

The way I look at it, 80% of her "supporters" are paid shills. Of the other 20%, about half are just trolling for the lolz and the other half really are believers, for whatever reason (VAGINA!!!11!!1)

Not much support to win a presidency on, true, but let's not forget cheating and rigging elections, coming soon to a poll booth near you.

[no_hypocrisy]

26. Chauvinism.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chauvinism


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism

[unflapped]

27. Under ANY circumstances?

As in, even if she is the D nominee? You'd rather stay home and let Cruz or Trump win? I'm not saying you're wrong to generally distrust her motives etc, but a quick glance at who her husband selected to the Supreme Court vs who Republicans have selected should be enough to get you to the damn polls.

Comparing Hillary Clinton to Adolf Hitler, even softly, is absurd. As the decades have passed, I think new generations of non-historians now think Hitler was just a generally untrustworthy fellow rather than a genocidal madman. Or perhaps it's also a problem of people not knowing anything else about history? Asked to name two non-American leaders from the 20th century, a typical answer today might be, "Hitler, and... Did I mention Hitler?"

[Le Taz Hot]

28. I'm an activist, Sunshine, activists don't stay home.

And I was VERY CLEAR in the OP that I WAS NOT COMPARING HITLER TO HILLARY but apparently, in your blind loyalty to the Democratic Party, you missed that part.

I don't owe anything to the Democratic Party, they owe me -- a candidate I can vote for -- but that would be in direct opposition to their mission of turning into the Republican Party of the 1980's. Wait long enough and they'll be praising Trump.

[Ivan Kaputski]

31. So we're really voting for a SC justice selection. Got it.

[Kalidurga]

29. I think you are too kind.

But, this is a message board and you can't go too inflammatory.

[Ivan Kaputski]

30. Blind obedience to authority is the enemy of the truth.- Albert Einstein

[Le Taz Hot]

32. +1

[Android3.14]

33. I don't see it as that sinister

While there are a higher percentage of over-the-top rude and willfully obtuse and ignorant people in the HRC camp, I think they are mostly dealing with other issues. Most of the folks in either camp are fairly nice people. I suspect these mean spirits are unpaid and paid trolls, persons with social and psychological issues that prompt them to pretend they are some other type of person online or others who subsume their own personality in a functioning trance reminiscent of the cult of unrelenting happy people from the movie, Bubble Boy.

Rather than sinister, it is mostly sad that we have too many people who have life situations so devoid of meaning they must find purpose expressing their inarticulate biases here.

[Le Taz Hot]

34. I don't think their purpose is sinister,

I think Hillary's purpose is sinister. I think it's loyalty to Das Party and loyalty to Hillary even though she's such a grossly compromised candidate. They scream "Do you want Trump to be the president?" No, I don't. And if they manage to shove Hillary into the nomination that's exactly what is going to happen. The congnitive dissonance in that type of thinking is just astounding. But then again, blind loyalty requires a suspension of reason.

[MisterP]

35. since '07 they've been saying they don't care what policy their candidate enacts,

as long as it's the candidate doing it: they're even fuddled when anyone objects to that mislogic

they've turned politics into a perfect vacuum

[dana_b]

37. No. I would say that about Trump supporters

as some are willing to take orders from him and to get violent. TTelling Bernie supporters to "go to Auschwitz" - that kind of shit.

Hillary supporters - I don't understand them - but I wouldn't use that word.