Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumIt seems that now Thom Hartmann is backing off from supporting Bernie
Thom Hartmann is now hanging up on callers that attack Hillary or that "promote the circular firing squad." Thom says that his show is not just for Bernie supporters but for Hillary supporters as well.
awake
(3,226 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)emulatorloo
(44,172 posts)So good for him.
TM99
(8,352 posts)and vote for Clinton. That is well known.
You and I may certainly disagree with him on that. I damned well won't.
But this doesn't surprise me in the least.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Though Mike Malloy is anything but an optimist...
TM99
(8,352 posts)and that is about all these days.
bernbabe
(370 posts)He has said he likes Hillary and thinks she will make a good President, among other things. He is kind of naive about her.
TM99
(8,352 posts)That is disappointing yet again not that surprising.
Too many leftists and Democrats are apparently willing to give her a pass. I am not.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)"as bad" as a corporate owned Repub or narcissistic Trump. IOW....he'll vote for more of the same.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
draa
(975 posts)The media has created a cottage industry where ignorance and incompetence is profit and must be protected. They will vote to keep the status quo when given the chance.
swilton
(5,069 posts)I've always read him as pro Bernie (saying he was the next FDR, for example) but Hillary would be acceptable.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)getting into internal wars, which is his right and I understand.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)position. Regardless of who it is being criticized. If I correctly understand Thoms intent - it is to remain neutral because he sees the bigger picture (no pun) being that We Must come together in support of the Dem Nominee, no matter who wins after the last of the primary's. He (if memory serves) Has long ago made clear his preference for Bernie and has simultaneously stated as many times that if HRC prevails-he will Enthusiastically support her over allowing any GOP to win.
I listen often and this is my observation.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)To vote for her, if gawd forbid Bernie is rigged out of being the nominee...guarantees that the Elites of the DNC will push the 99% into complete irrelevant oblivion, crushing any hopes of getting a common sense/main stream agenda in place.
I do believe...this is our last chance.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)The whole political picture in this country is already changed. All the "old rules of thumb" can be tossed.
"We" in general are more awake, more informed and "we've" largely drawn our lines in the sand. Bernie supporters are determined, pissed, Young and motivated.
However-Which successor to the WH would "we" have The Best chance in Moving on our issues? HRC or Drumpf?
I loathe the idea of holding my damned nose again and I cannot honestly tell you What I'm going to do. Every fiber of my being says to write Sanders name in...and then I remember these kids need the best chance we can deliver.
I interpret Thom's words making these very points.
More curious to me: Why are Dem numbers down in the polls and who isn't showing up? Old? Young? Women? Men? First time voters? GenX? Are turnout numbers really down? Or are shenanigans rigging the numbers?
Another point-no matter Who wins the WH-If it's a Democrat...and IF we don't get out and VOTE for a New congress - Neither of them will get a dammed thing done.
And "we" already know "we" cannot "move" a GOP controlled congress or POTUS at all.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)I trust he has his reasons.
I also trust that his intentions are always good and that in his heart, he stands correct.
I don't need to know any more than that. I do wish he'd stop trying to play it safe, but that is not my call. It is his, and his alone.
I respect it.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)He should start identifying himself as a Democrat instead of as a progressive.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the others choice of candidate because they feel that, regardless of who is the candidate chosen to run in the general election, everyone will have to get in line to beat Trump. I don't think he or the other hosts are right. The temperature I'm getting is that people are going to vote for whom they want and I strongly believe that many voters, who will vote for Bernie or Martin O'Malley had he remained in the race, will not vote for Hillary Clinton. However, I respect his and their decision not to fan the flames.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Norman Goldman claims that he's closer to Bernie on the issues but continually makes the case to his supporters that Bernie has no chance of winning and Hillary will easily be able to win, and has in the past admired Hillary and the way she plays the game, even though he claims to be disinterested in being involved in the actual political party because of corruption. Never mind that he himself gives hints at his own inflated ego from time to time, and has been wrong on more than a few predictions.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)part of that pact.
bernbabe
(370 posts)But yeah, he has been really frustrating me lately and he is one of my favorites. He said that Hillary is nominated and we don't vote for her we are traitors of the party. Of course, he forgets that some of us aren't Democrats...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)and will not vote for Hillary, either voting for Trump or not voting at all. Hillary just can't win the general election.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)The audiences of Hartmann and Stephanie Miller and others are so small already that if they alienate a significant portion of their listeners they will be off the air.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)It's not Bernie's fault, it's Hillary's fault for being so corrupt and cunning.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I think he's a little over defensive of Hillary, but he constantly says that he prefers Sanders.
jillan
(39,451 posts)All we want is a Bernie news source because there is a black out in the msm.
(for example did you know that Bernie just received a bunch of endorsements from MI for his work in Flint? - No? of course not!)
I told him that he was all that we have.
If a Bernie supporter calls into the Stephanie Miller show, she hangs up on them. Bernie really does not get any coverage. I think that is why I spend way way way too much time on DU. It's become my Bernie news source. (Plus twitter)
He is the one that introduced us to Bernie. All we want from him is to provide us with Bernie news.
He doesn't even need to mention Hillary - it doesn't need to be about her at all.
We just need one source where we can get Bernie news.
Not everyone has the time to sit on the computer and read DU - so where else can people find out about Bernie?
I urge everyone that is a listener to reach out to him.
He is missing the point on why we need him.
Just my 2 cents.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)She's been very involved in the Flint, MI issues but has not credited Bernie for his part.
Has Stephanie Miller hung up on Bernie supporters? I haven't seen it, except for one who was OTT rude and I believe used a word that violates FCC rules.
jillan
(39,451 posts)About Stephanie Miller, I stopped watching her because on more than one occasion she hung up on Bernie supporters that were bringing up issues about why they supported Bernie over Hillary.
I haven't watched in about a month, so I don't know if she has gotten better.
There really is no place to go for Bernie news other than sites like this. I'd love to see Thom be that person. That's who he used to be, that's how many of us learned about Bernie.
bernbabe
(370 posts)clearly getting a woman president is of utmost importance to her.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)I've seen her on there. 100% Hill supporter, yet never bashes Bernie, or lauds him.
The show style doesn't fit me like others, Thom, Amy G., Mike 'Pap', TYT, new guy Tim Black, online radio host is great.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)he should bring up some of the things people need to know like this relationship she has with Henry Kissinger. It's a big problem regarding her fitness to form foreign policy if he's the person she's going to for advice.
jillan
(39,451 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)It's a bunch of people sitting around seeing who can be the snarkiest about the latest idiocy and bigotry from Republicans, and none of them are particularly funny. There is very little information of any value, at least in the times I've tuned in. Hartmann tries to educate and brings on some interesting guests.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)All the other ones seem to focus more on Republican / conservative bashing or general politics.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)on Head On Radio. http://www.headonradionetwork.com
wcmagumba
(2,889 posts)I still tune in occasionally on sirius/xm during my commute but mostly what I hear are drunk, fart or sex jokes...not only in poor taste but typically unfunny. Oh, and several people with bad mics talking over each other, very annoying.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)political figures and politics. I find the fart and sex jokes unnecessary myself. She probably should take a page out of Jon Stewart's comedy and not South Park's.
DI Freighter Watcher
(128 posts)Many years I have listened to Hartmann and have always respected him, still do. However I recently stopped listening on a regular basis, he clearly has a Hillary bias. I have found other sources for Bernie information. I would suggest some but don't want to make the DU administration angry.
Feel The Bern!
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)That everything is out that needs to be out about Hillary, Republicans haven't taken apart Bernie yet.
Awhile ago, Thom did say that he was afraid of the MSM doing a Dean Scream on Bernie.
revbones
(3,660 posts)I'm sure someone will alert on it, but I don't agree with everything Obama did.
Thom frustrated me to no end twisting into pretzels to defend Obama. Maybe he needed to for his audience. Maybe he needs to now.
I'm just not as compromising on my ideals as many Hillary supporters would seem to be.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)He often brags about the money-making businesses he and wife Louise has started over their lifetimes.
Every Friday for years Bernie has helped expand his business with "Brunch with Bernie" and where was Hills?
This is a survival tactic as another one of our lefties succumbs to the Clinton fear apparatus.
When does this stop?
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)pull out wins in Michigan and Illinois, that would be huge and force all these pundits to get off their "unelectable" rant. We here are really an insular bubble - I'd venture to say there are millions who still have not heard Bernie's message. I think this has been the most stressful election cycle I've ever lived through, partly because of the mendacious, egregious Republican candidates who get so much air time. But also because of the lack of support for Bernie from elected Democrats. Ya hear me, Al Franken??? Hell, my own HR rep. Xavier Becerra came out for Hillary last August!
But...we must keep going with donations, phone banking, showing up for Bernie events, leafleting, knocking on doors, GOTV, handing out buttons and bumper stickers, etc. Visibility and momentum. That will result in a win for Bernie, and we already know, Everybody loves a winner!