Help Me Understand How Things Would Change Around Here-according DU relies # 4 and 5 of this thread:

[DhhD]

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/118742105

Correction: My title above should read replies 6 and 9. Sorry.


Does this mean that the admin will change DU to a Centerist, Third way, and New Democrats site, to go along with a Clinton Presidency if one should occur? And does this mean that a coup to remove the progressive Left at DU, is the intention of the administration, as well ?

[JackInGreen]

1. I don't know that they could and keep the site open

I'm pretty sure that the changes requred are pretty much whatever a few posters (both that one and their closest associates) would dictate what was socially acceptable, democratic, liberal, or otherwise. Voices unlike themselves in race, gender, ideology, would be kept restricted or continually removed by admins.
There would be no holding hillaries feet to the fire, there would be no dissent, no one that stands against her on policy would be allowed to continue to argue, under the hold out that their motivation is sexist, anti woman, and possibly republican in nature, and therefore should be removed from the site or 'brought to heel'.
At least that seems to be what they want, or that that person wants.

Doesn't seem like it's liberal or democratic, but I'm weird I guess.

[LiberalElite]

25. It sure as hell isn't

"underground" either. You can't get anymore Establishment lovin' than this place (in certain parts).

[Paulie]

2. This happens every primary season

Once the nominee is clear there will be no infighting against the nominee. This site is for Democrats and they will support or they will be gone. It's part of the deal when you signed up all those years ago. It's nothing new.

If you want a free speech zone there aren't any. If you want to bash anyone, anytime, with vulgarity, but civilly, then the Admins of this site provided an outlet: http://www.discussionist.com

[DhhD]

5. So many of the Progressive Left are left with reading DU in support of DU. It has been well

established that President Obama left most all of his 2008 campaign promises behind. I am expecting the same for Hillary Clinton if she becomes President. Unlike Obama, Hillary Clinton has been flip flopping more and more Left ever since her April 2015 announcement. I believe Hillary Clinton to be a liar. She will be supported her on DU but how many will now be only readers? I write to only what I believe in and leave others to do the same. Will that be part of the change that relies 6 and 9 write about?

The OP, Joshcryer is leaving DU for a while. There seems to be a very large DU admin developing at DU, apparently the rest of us can get the f*** out.

[Android3.14]

8. "...President Obama left most all of his 2008 campaign promises behind..."

Many people were wearing rose-colored sunglasses for Obama. If you go back and look at the things he said he would try to do, he pretty much did so. I voted for him in the GE knowing we were essentially voting for a Reagan conservative, so he never disappointed me.

Bernie, however, is the real deal.

When the GE cranks up with HRC leading the Titanic, I'll sit back and watch the idiocy unfold and vote the D ticket. If Bernie is calling the shots, then the 'Droid family will be eating salad in order to donate to the campaign and we'll out en masse to win this election.

[nxylas]

3. Hopefully, any real progressives will hang out on Jackpine Radicals

And take their donations with them.

[VulgarPoet]

4. Yep. I only donated to put my Jury possibility back even

but if Clinton winds up the nominee, I'm not wasting my money on the site for damn sure.

[Depaysement]

6. It was designed originally to be closer to that than a radical or progressive site

Even though the screen name "Sid Dithers" was created for fun, read posts his posts and you get a pretty good idea of where the founders want the site to be. It was created to try to help Dems win in the dark days of "W." It wasn't intended to be a "progressive" site or a place for radical views.

Josh Cryer started the OP you linked to. He was an extreme cheerleader and apologist for the Libyan War, complete with daily charts, maps and posts touting the "heroic struggle." Of course, that turned in to a humanitarian crisis, a political nightmare and another ISIS/AQ breeding ground. To his credit, I actually think he regrets his role and may now be more cautious about war and its consequences. But this is another example of third way politics in the foreign affairs realm.

[DhhD]

10. Thanks Depaysement. That still leaves many other progressives needing a move away from third way

for at least part of the day. To me it is a waste of time following third way, in to its own Oligarchy; Bloomberg said he will run in Clinton's place if she is not the nominee. Maybe a new thread about third way and Oligarchy may be coming to help me sever the ties. I believe in the campaign promises of Bernie Sanders. Thanks you to Bernie Sanders too. I believe that I will spend more time at DU, in four years, when the Left and the Right, primary third way Hillary Clinton. I need to spend my time getting ready to adjust to the loss of our Social Security benefits and the like keeping in mind what the Clinton's wanted before April 2015.

I have come to see that DU is a site dedicated to third way vs. Extremist. Bernie can become President just the same.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Here's some info...the Owners/Admin are Clinton supporters.

They went so far as to endorse a primary candidate Clinton and built her her own special (now defunct because no one supports her) web site "HillaryMojo.com"...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11077277

DU has ALWAYS demanded members support the Democratic nominee or you are banned. After the nominee is chosen you MUST toe the party line or leave.

If Bernie isn't the nominee, I'm outta here. It'll be interesting to see how DU survives when 90% here are Bernie supporters.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[LemmingWarrior]

9. hmm, thanks for that information

I didn't know what was hiding behind the curtains here. I think I'll follow your lead if the worse happens, but I won't settle for a Hillary nomination without encouraging a robust write-in campaign for Bernie Sanders. I was thrilled to see the Clinton campaign use dirty politics down in Vagas as it speaks for everything I believe about her.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. You're welcome.

Her cheating in the 2 caucuses is why she won them. Bernie won the NH PRIMARY because she couldn't steal it or cheat. I might add...WON IN A LANDSLIDE. Wait until we get to evoting machines.

Yeah, DemocraticUnderground is a real stretch. Especially since they changed from moderators to the jury system. It's never been a Progressive (though most members have been Progressives) site, but it wasn't as Conservative/RW as it is now either. IT GIVES FR a run for its money now...hard to see the difference.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Fawke Em]

14. This place will be dead if she's the nominee.

She really has very little grassroots support. She's only where she is because of name recognition.

And, if she's the nominee, I fear for this country. I don't think she'll win, so we'd have all three "houses" occupied by Republicans.

Even if she does win, the lurch rightward will only move at a slightly slower pace.

It's very sad that it might take an actual armed revolution to change the country because so many are uneducated about the political one.

[jillan]

11. If Bernie isn't the nominee I'm outta here

I was gone for about two years maybe more. The only reason I came back was because I found such great Bernie supporters on this site.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Same here!

I left when DU2 became DU3 and changed from moderators to the lovely jury system. I came back for one reason only - BERNIE.

EXIT LEFT for me if Bernie isn't the nominee.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[MuseRider]

15. Me too.

I am glad you came back jillan. I came back once a month or two to look around then went back to doing other things. Then I would come back and just read, this is such a great place to catch news stories I would never see otherwise. I did not post except to a friend or maybe to join a thread now and again then I would leave again. I posted some once the new DU came onboard just to get a feel for it. I maintain my star, now because if we have to have a jury system I want to be a part of it.

I respect the rules here, I may not like them but I knew them in 2002 when I joined. It is pretty easy to stay within those rules if you mainly read.

I can't read the replies stated in the OP so whatever new rules are proposed I guess we will see.

I like JPR but have not spent the time to learn how to navigate it yet. I will learn and that is likely where I will end up. I imagine I will always have some presence here unless there is a purge then perhaps that will be over.

[DhhD]

16. You cannot read the replies in the AA Group because?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118742105


Reply 6:
I will be glad when Clinton gets the nomination and the admins change the way things are around here.


Reply 9:
Here's to that actually happening, Coolest. I mean the second part of your sentence.

[MuseRider]

17. Those two must

be on my ignore list or I am on theirs (if it works that way, I don't know). I do read the AA Group but can't see these.

Thanks for posting the replies. They may have only meant the rule changes that always occur once we have a nominee. Those are pretty easy to live with if you just are selective about how and who you reply to.

[DhhD]

18. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I do not have anyone on my ignore list. As a teacher

have learned that having everybody around on a board denotes a class with its own atmosphere and climate.

Being banned and removed from a board is something not found in a progressive forum. This goes back to the intent of DU. I think DU is moving forward with Insider invitations. You and me ain't in that club.

[DhhD]

19. Sorry about replying to my own reply #18. I have seen many ads and have received many emails,

being surprised by Daily Kos, all asking me to sign some kind of a pledge to support Hillary Clinton. I have just ignored it. In my OP questions to the Bernie Sanders Group, I am wondering if signing a pledge to support Hillary Clinton is coming to me, in order to remain Logged-In here at DU, in the coming future?

Thanks.

[MuseRider]

21. I have never seen the admins do that.

Members will try stuff like that, that is partly what alert stalking is all about. Read the DU rules again, you don't even have to be a Democrat to post here but there are rules about supporting the nominee.

I dislike Kos for so many reasons. This would not surprise me but loyalty oaths should be against everything we stand for. Your vote is your own business, no one else has the right to that knowledge unless you want to tell them.

[MuseRider]

20. I never used ignore

except to ignore someone I was getting ready to tell off. I would take them off 24 hours later after I had cooled down. This session I have used it liberally because I do not have time to deal with stupid. *Bernie never got arrested, those were not pictures of him, he believes women want to be raped* over and over and over again and in the middle of discussions about anything BUT that. I graduated with a degree but not in elementary education. I understand what you are saying and I do happen to agree with you but stupid is a waste of time, I wanted to be able to talk issues without all the thread jacking that was going on so badly that no point ever was made and debated with a result except yelling about other stuff. For that reason and that reason alone I used it.

[DhhD]

23. Teachers have to take psychology classes. Ignore is the basic tool. Some cannot follow a

routine because they have little self esteem and need to follow a bully leader that lies about Sanders. This happened to Obama too. The consequences to our country will be devastating if third way or extremism wins. We know the vision of Hillary Clinton. Jackpine Radicals is a place of sincere discipline and truthfulness. I am a proponent of, what is allowed to go on here at DU by the admin, will come back to DU. Thank you MuseRider for standing with Bernie Sanders' vision of a better American, one we can be proud of.

[ladyVet]

22. I think we should all leave if Hillary manages to get the nomination.

Stop supporting the site and let it become whatever the remaining members want. It will make for a nice circle jerk before it explodes and vanishes into the "where did that site go, anyway" annuls of internet history.

We don't need this place, it needs us.

[DhhD]

24. I plan to become a reader.

[LiberalElite]

26. I wonder if we all on this

thread could get banned (or something) just for this "unpatriotic" (for want of a better word) thread.
We must have UNITY!

[DhhD]

27. Remember, we are part of the bully system on the playground that Hillary Clinton gathered

back then, or now, from the neighborhood with Mother's help. Mothers against Mothers in a neighborhood. Bill picked up the roll of Mother and he is still at it. Who was the real bully in the neighborhood of so long ago-I say it was Hillary Clinton. She has told several underdog fantasy stories, known by others as lies. She is still playing the victim. Satan played the victim to Eve. They both learned. Adam followed.

We could see that we were an ark unto ourselves, having no fear.

[DhhD]

28. Hillary and her Mother Video by CBS Anchor Scott Pelley