Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:05 PM Feb 2016

Any candidate that would actively try to divide Americans across racial and cultural lines

Then attempt to foster hatred of each group against the other is harmful not just to the process but to the innocent people they are trying to divide into racial political wars, even if it is only an attempt to do so temporarily (as they likely tell themselves), just until an election is won, it is deplorable behavior and often seen used by hate groups across the globe.


This is becoming a pattern from the Clinton Campaign.
Incredibly well-respected surrogates sent out to attack Bernie or his supporters, get some pushback, accuse Sanders and his supporters of racism and/or sexism for pointing out the smear isn't true. It's sickening and cynical and divisive. I expect this stuff from Repugs- this divisiveness from the Clinton camp is heartbreaking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511300567#post4.


Brock is a big part of this (pit one poor race against another) in order to win victories designed to profit the wealthy at the expense of all the people that will suffer under their trickle down neoliberal policies which will harm all of us struggling people no matter the race, but those that hire them also have a history of agitating people to hate by race and so are just as, if not more, accountable for such deplorable tactics.

It is a tactic often used by the wealthy in order to keep the power and money while continuing to steal even more in the face of glaring wide spread wealth disparity across all racial and social lines, In war the tactic is called divide and conquer, the wealthy have throughout history done this at the point where the difference between the rich and poor becomes widespread and apparent.

A true leader on the other hand, one that wants to help all the people historically tries to bring all the people together to fight the aristocracy.

It is clear which candidate is following which tactic, just as it is clear which candidate is little more than the puppet of the wealthy and attempting to win yet more of their favor. Such candidates often acquire excessive wealth during their lapdog tenures practically rubbing it in our faces (how much wealth have the "public servants" the Clintons acquired again, and from whom?)

The honest candidate, not swayed by or wiling to be used by by an uncontrolled group that worships at the altar of greed often lives a relatively normal lifestyle, not depending on acquiring wealth in order to achieve their version of a happy life, again which candidate more closely represents this lifestyle?

I have told you of tactics as old as the existence of extreme wealth at the expense of others. In your hearts the signs of their use are evident, some would say axiomatic.

I have also told you of some common traits of leaders on the side of the populace.

There is enough for you to decide for yourself which side you are on. And who is on your side as well.


choose well.

27 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Any candidate that would actively try to divide Americans across racial and cultural lines (Original Post) Dragonfli Feb 2016 OP
K&R..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1
As a Latina I am particularly disgusted with this. Cleita Feb 2016 #2
As a multiracial person I am extremely disgusted with this, I strive for unity, because Dragonfli Feb 2016 #9
K&R AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #3
kicking /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #4
Racial, ethnic, religious, generational. It's a crapfest of divisiveness. merrily Feb 2016 #5
Unfortunately it is a tactic that works all too often rather effectively Dragonfli Feb 2016 #6
That is the message of Jesus senz Feb 2016 #11
Well, it is an indisputable truth in my mind even among those that are not Christians such as myself Dragonfli Feb 2016 #18
Truth cuts through a slew of religions. senz Feb 2016 #21
Howard Zinn malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #8
No. I am embarrassed to say I have not. merrily Feb 2016 #16
You say it so well, merrily. senz Feb 2016 #12
"Crapfest" indicates the greatness of my vocablulary! merrily Feb 2016 #17
Words like that improve DU's readability. senz Feb 2016 #19
And festive, too! You should have joined the diplomatic corps. You're a natural. merrily Feb 2016 #20
LOL, I love the sense of humor in this group Dragonfli Feb 2016 #22
K n R! jonjon Feb 2016 #7
Sorry to K&R so late -- senz Feb 2016 #10
No need to be sorry, I have trouble just keeping up on responses across the DU universe. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #15
I'm just wondering if POC remember Hillary's 2008 smears against Obama? Duckfan Feb 2016 #13
Since no group is monolithic, I image it would depend on the person. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #14
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Feb 2016 #23
Recommend... KoKo Feb 2016 #24
Insightful post....Thank You, Dragonfli KoKo Feb 2016 #25
Divide and Conquer. Works for a long while, until people's anger boils over. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #26
Thank you. NewImproved Deal May 2016 #27

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. As a Latina I am particularly disgusted with this.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

I have had lots of reasons not to like Hillary Clinton and this is particularly heinous.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
9. As a multiracial person I am extremely disgusted with this, I strive for unity, because
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

I am the result of unity, I carry four equally represented bloodlines. I cannot be at war with myself (that way literally lies madness).
I have no reason to believe we are all not equal nor do I identify with any racial part of myself.

Similarly I believe I am a microcosm in that when we fight each other, we fight ourselves, the same madness lies therein as well.

Only by not being divided, can we defeat the true enemies we all face, the same enemy that has us fighting each other for scraps have everything because they prey on us and the divisiveness they foster within us.

We live in the most prosperous of times and yet it is the largest portion that have the least, some so little that they literally freeze to death or die from illnesses that should not be killing them, or live in such poverty that one meal a day is a blessing.

Simultaneously the very, very few, the sociopaths among us have so much that they could literally not spend their wealth if they lived a thousand years.

They are so few, but we are legion, we must stop their obvious deceptions and ongoing attempts to have us distracted and at each others throats when we have so much in common, yet so little that make us different. They have been playing and winning this game of divide and conquer since the beginning of recorded history.

It is time FINALLY, to recognize it for what it is, gather together as one and win our equality in all things, it is time to stop dying and starving for their compulsive and insane greed and seek unity over divisiveness. This is the thing they fear above all else, it will be that fear of a united rather than divided populace that will force them to give us a sustainable life and the same freedoms for all that only some now enjoy.

I am not advocating blood, or confiscating all they have, I am advocating the unity they fear in order to live the lives we deserve, IIMO if we take all the excessive wealth we will be corrupted and back to square one, let them keep their lives and even one or two of their mansions but let us all have an upper middle class life and the dignity and rights that all humans deserve.

I am sorry that I tend to ramble on, it is one of the reasons I write so few OPs and choose to read more instead.

This post is a shorter synopsis of my main point that I am over writing here

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Racial, ethnic, religious, generational. It's a crapfest of divisiveness.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)

http://jackpineradicals.org/entry.php?209-Democratic-Primary-2016-Will-religious-bigotry-work-this-time

And, now, we're treated to the Catch 22 that pointing out divisiveness is also somehow related to white privilege.

Meanwhile, "Divide and Conquer" and "Divide and Rule" have been strategies well-known to the 1% for millennia.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
6. Unfortunately it is a tactic that works all too often rather effectively
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:59 AM - Edit history (1)

So effectively in fact that Jay Gould once uttered the rhetoric "I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."
That is why I like this Bernie ad so much:



It reminds me of Martin Luther king Jr. and his belief in unity

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
11. That is the message of Jesus
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

only MLK was a better rhetorician than Jesus.

I wish they both were still here. Our world is in trouble; we need more non-demagogic voices of wisdom.

But we have Bernie. He too knows and acts on that love. He is not the rhetorician that MLK was but he knows how to lead, as well as point, the way.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
18. Well, it is an indisputable truth in my mind even among those that are not Christians such as myself
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:31 AM
Feb 2016

In fact, If I had to label myself (an impossible task to truly label anyone even oneself, really). I would call myself an agnostic Taoist, Buddhist, Wiccan. If I had any commandment at all (which after closer inspection, I believe I do) - It would be
An' it Harm None, Do as thou Will. (something I picket up from Wicca that does not appear to conflict in any way with what I learned from Buddhism or Taoism) Not sure how it sits with Christianity however, but I do know it is not in conflict with "the golden rule".

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
21. Truth cuts through a slew of religions.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:01 AM
Feb 2016

I'm not too crazy about organized religion, but it's fine until the walls start going up. Then we're back into division again.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. No. I am embarrassed to say I have not.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

If that was his thesis, some may have mistaken it for an instruction manual, as they apparently did with Orwell's 1984.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
12. You say it so well, merrily.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

Thanks for the link; I'll check out your essay. Should go over there more often, just haven't gotten acclimated yet and it's all I can do to keep up with this place.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
10. Sorry to K&R so late --
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

this is an excellent OP and I'm having trouble keeping up w/DU.

Thank you for this.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
15. No need to be sorry, I have trouble just keeping up on responses across the DU universe.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

I feel honored and delighted that you find this OP valuable enough to read, unity is extremely important to me, I also loathe those that would divide us against ourselves in order to work against our own best interests.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
13. I'm just wondering if POC remember Hillary's 2008 smears against Obama?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:55 AM
Feb 2016

But then again, repukes do the same below the belt stuff too.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. Since no group is monolithic, I image it would depend on the person.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

The better question IMO, is of those that do remember. How do you ignore how she used/uses race (and yourself) as a political football?

Unless that is if you intend to use your memories of her out in the open racism as one of several reasons not to vote for her. (the other reasons having to do with Sanders' better policies on the issues some that claim to speak for all PoC as being the most important to you. I would point out as well his other superior positions deliberately designed to help all of us, diverse as we are as a country, that are not exceptionally wealthy do better financially and educationally.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
23. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:18 AM
Feb 2016

eom

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
25. Insightful post....Thank You, Dragonfli
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016
I've always enjoyed your writing and perspective.

It is a tactic often used by the wealthy in order to keep the power and money while continuing to steal even more in the face of glaring wide spread wealth disparity across all racial and social lines, In war the tactic is called divide and conquer, the wealthy have throughout history done this at the point where the difference between the rich and poor becomes widespread and apparent.

A true leader on the other hand, one that wants to help all the people historically tries to bring all the people together to fight the aristocracy.

It is clear which candidate is following which tactic, just as it is clear which candidate is little more than the puppet of the wealthy and attempting to win yet more of their favor. Such candidates often acquire excessive wealth during their lapdog tenures practically rubbing it in our faces (how much wealth have the "public servants" the Clintons acquired again, and from whom?)
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Bernie Sanders»Any candidate that would ...