I bet the Hillary supporters are legitimizing their tactics by this one idea

[AZ Progressive]

" Bernie is a political lightweight from the small state of Vermont. He doesn't know how to play in the big leagues. Bernie won't have a chance against the Right Wing political machine. Thus, its up to us to prove that he can't play in the big leagues. If Bernie can't take everything we throw at him, he has no right to win the nomination, because he has no chance against the Republicans. Politics is a dog eat dog world. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

I bet you they are legitimizing their dirtiness using this reason. They might also add the idea that "It's nothing personal, just the way the game is played." As a Bernie supporter I am appalled at their tactics but I can have an idea what the other side is thinking.

[Rebkeh]

1. Sounds familiar

I think I've heard it before. In '08, perhaps?

[dchill]

2. Politics ain't beanbag.

No. Evidently it's organized crime.

[TBF]

3. I'm not playing mind games w/those narcissists

personally I don't care what they think. Obviously the ends justify the means for them and that is all I need to know.

[AZ Progressive]

6. Thats the real world, you have to play along with Narcissists and sociopaths and other slimy people

And these types of people are exactly the ones that make the world such a brutal and harsh place. They are the obstacles to peace, economic fairness, and equality for everyone.

[TBF]

9. Well we differ on that then -

I'm not "falling in line" with oppression of other people. YMMV.

[AZ Progressive]

10. Im not suggesting joining them, but we need a strategy to counter them

And I think enough people are fed up with the way the system is now, all you need to do is get them to intensely desire change and get them mobilized.

[Politicalboi]

4. That's why we need to roll in the dirt with them

HilLIARy has more to crash her campaign than Bernie. We need to push her to cooperate with the FBI. If those e-mails sink her we're all sunk if it's too late. Release those speech transcripts should be heckled at her at every event.

[jwirr]

8. One other issue: Why were the Foundations tax returns for

many years corrected without any explanation?

[jalan48]

5. The powerful Hillary backers have too much to lose.

They are not about to have their obscene wealth taxed to pay for programs benefiting the rest of society. It's a class and money issue being passed off as a gender one.

[jwirr]

7. And that is EXACTLY why I will vote against them. I do not

care how the Rs play the game. But I expect better of our own party. Enough politics as usual.

[malletgirl02]

11. Not just the dirty tactics but thin skined as well.

The dirty tactics of the Clinton campaign is bad enough, but what irks me most it is extremely think skinned. Ever time a Sander supporter says something accurate about her record the Clinton campaign says it an attack. Also is anyone else tired of the phrase "under the bus"? Clinton supporters say that every time a Sanders supporter tires to defend Sanders from an attack from one of her surrogates.

[nc4bo]

16. SEGAMI just now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511300057

If the mood hits you right, go on and recommend it even if it's been hidden.

The lying by that campaign is crazy slick.

[malletgirl02]

17. I rec your post

There is serious bias going on. While your post is hidden, there is a post pretty much saying that Bernie Sanders and his supporters are like Chairman Mao and the Cultural Revolution. After that post I want Bernie supporters to take the gloves off.

[Zorra]

12. "There's no right way to do wrong, and no wrong way to do right"

~Former Pro Boxer Joe Frazier

Self-deluded individuals will attempt to justify to themselves any unethical act they commit for personal gain, and sociopaths don't try to justify anything to themselves because they have no conscience.

Prisons are full of criminals who fit into these categories.

1) Self-deluded: "I beat and robbed granma because I needed money"

2) Sociopath: "There is nothing wrong with beating and robbing granma, so I did."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. but in politics two can play at that game

Fight back and don't take it. This is the fighting stage.

[AZ Progressive]

14. We need a war room, rapid counterattack capabilities

Take Hillary's attacks and be able to debunk and counterattack as fast as possible.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. Yes

that's exactly what is needed. The Clinton campaign and the GOP are trying to set up Bernie. It's easy to get people to pretend they are Bernie supporters. An old trick.

[AZ Progressive]

18. I was so right about what the Hillary people are thinking, see this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511301180#post29

29. The Clinton campaign has been treating Sanders with kid gloves

The concept that the Clinton campaign has been very negative on Sanders is simply false when you look at what Sanders would be subject to if he was the Democratic nominee. VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.

When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?

But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.

His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.

The attacks that would be levied against Sanders by the Kochs, the RNC candidate and others in a general election contest would make the so-called attacks against Sanders look like patty-cakes. The GOP and Kochs are not known for being nice or honest and as the article notes there are a ton of good topics available for attack. Raising taxes is never a good campaign platform (Just ask President Mondale). The GOP would also raise the socialism and age issues if Sanders was the nominee.

Again, I agree with the VOX position that so far, Sanders has not been subject to negative attacks close to what the GOP would use against Sanders and the attacks against Sanders if he was the nominee would be brutal. I urge Sanders supporters to read the VOX article to start to get a feel for what real negative attacks would look like.

[Ken Burch]

19. For some reason, that reminds me of Salvatore Tessio's line from THE GODFATHER, PART II

"Tell Mike it was only business. I always liked him."

(Not meaning to compare HRC and Bernie to rival Mafia bosses...just something in that tone).