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Nyan

(1,192 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:59 AM Feb 2016

What Chris Hedges and Noam Chomsky said when Bernie announced to run.

I don't remember the exact words, but Hedges said something about how the DNC would do everything to bury him.
Chomsky said that Bernie is a "thorn in the Clinton machine."


Now, I am not as cynical as they are when it comes to Bernie, but those are some of the greatest intellectuals. And their sentiment rings true. We have seen the DNC unravel in the way that I certainly wasn't expecting. At this point I'm completely disillusioned about the DNC. And I don't think I'm ever coming back.
There's a reason why Warren and Biden are not running this time around. This was not supposed to be a primary.


But for Bernie, the first democratic debate would have been a complete joke. Webb, Chaffee, O'Malley -all fine folks, for sure. But not even a match for Clinton. All of them outsiders -two of them former governors. They were the kind of people who had no clue what this was (Webb and Chaffee, in particular, seemed to utterly lack self-awareness).
They're not part of Washington. They had no idea that the people in Washington had decided that this was not a primary.


Did Bernie know that? I think he did. He's a politician, too. After all, he's been in Washington for decades. I think he knew but decided to run nonetheless. I think he felt a sense of urgency that we cannot go on like this. Because what we now have is unsustainable. We can't constantly bomb people abroad while poisoning our children. We can't turn away sick people at the hospital anymore. We can't let sick people go bankrupt anymore. We can't. That's unrealistic.


"Thorn in the Clinton machine." How appropriate. It makes sense why they're calling it "firewall." It's very indicative. As in a firewall blocking foreign materials from infiltrating a machine, so it could function as it normally does.
And whether people realize it or not, corporate media is big part of it. Even as they're harping on email scandal on MSNBC, they sound like folks in the Clinton strategy room. But it's fine even if Clinton goes on to lose to republicans. Republicans are fine, too. They're not turning the apple cart upside down. Republicans will cut social security. Republicans will start wars. And the media's not gonna challenge them. That's how you keep your job on MSNBC.


How far will Bernie go? As far as he could. And that means, as far as we allow him to go. Because we're the reason he's running, and we're his fuel. We fund his campaign.


Like Bernie said, "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Let's do this, Bernie folks!



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What Chris Hedges and Noam Chomsky said when Bernie announced to run. (Original Post) Nyan Feb 2016 OP
Kick and recommend, he CAN DO this! nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #1
Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #2
Bernie can win. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #3
Yes. Nyan Feb 2016 #4
Appreciate the post. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #12
Mainstream media accounts by USA Today and NBC that many people see, appalachiablue Feb 2016 #10
The DNC DWS DLC Third Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About Bernie - No Tactic Is Too Malicious cantbeserious Feb 2016 #5
Thank you for this post. jillan Feb 2016 #6
Bernie has already won The Traveler Feb 2016 #7
I'm too old to regroup. Paka Feb 2016 #8
Agree, this country faces many serious issues and threats, and time appalachiablue Feb 2016 #11
Thank you! ybbor Feb 2016 #9
Recommend.... KoKo Feb 2016 #13
We are all fired up Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #14

PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
3. Bernie can win.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:31 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton should have won by double digits in NV, but did not. Also, some disgusting, shitty race politics the Clintons are behind came to light. The fact the Clinton Foundation gave Dolores Huerta $100K in 2010, and then she tweeted out that bullshit.

Clinton can't touch Bernie on the issues. Not even close. Clinton cannot win the general election. If she's our nominee get ready for at least four years that set us back fifty.

Because Clinton cannot touch Bernie on the issues, she and the rest of the establishment, including the DNC, are resorting to the ugliest bunch of crap I've seen, even worse than what we saw in 2008.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
4. Yes.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:45 AM
Feb 2016

That's the reality we're facing.
That's the true color of establishment dems, which is why I'm never coming back to them.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
10. Mainstream media accounts by USA Today and NBC that many people see,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:51 AM
Feb 2016

not knowing the realities because they are unaware of in depth and non corporate independent news or don't care.

Btw, do you know the reason Huerta was given 100K in 2010? Thanks in advance.

'CLINTON WIN HALTS SANDERS MOMENTUM AS BATTLE LEADS TO SOUTHERN RACES', USA TODAY, 10 hrs. ago.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/first-take-clinton-win-halts-sanders-momentum-as-battle-heads-to-southern-races/ar-BBpKJ7v?ocid=spartandhp

Hillary Clinton’s victory in Nevada halts the momentum of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who trounced her earlier this month in New Hampshire, and the win may begin a streak as the battle heads to a series of southern-voting states that favor her. The decisive outcome, as opposed to her narrowest of victories in Iowa, mirrors her successful margin over then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008. Saturday's win came as a result of a strong ground operation that’s been in place since early last year and reflects her strength with the state’s sizable minority populations. Recent polling had showed the two running neck-and-neck.
Bolstered by strong support from unions and an exhaustive effort targeting Latinos and other minorities, Clinton accomplished something she failed to do in New Hampshire’s Feb. 9 primary. She overcame the enthusiasm of young voters and working-class whites responding to Sanders’ message about a “rigged economy” and income inequality...Sanders performed best among voters considering themselves very liberal, and many of them cited the fact that he is “honest and trustworthy” as the most important trait. He also did well with political independents. (con't).
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'Decisive outcome', hardly. 'Targeting Latinos and other minorities' is accurate, certainly endorsers like Delores Huerta, Luiz Gutierrez, Castro, Jim Clyburn and others.
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'LATINO IMMIGRATION BULLDOG LUIS GUTIERREZ, LATINO HEAVYWEIGHTS ENDORSE CLINTON', NBC, Feb. 18.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/immigration-bulldog-luis-gutierrez-latino-heavyweights-endorse-clinton-n520966

Gutierrez and other supporters have been attacking Sanders as only recently becoming interested in the Latino community, saying he's the type of candidate who only comes around at election time. (Clinton supporter Delores Huerta is also mentioned as criticizing Sanders on immigration)....Latino Victory Fund, a political group cofounded by actress Eva Longoria that seeks to expand Latino influence and presence in politics, endorsed Clinton. The others had done so earlier.

Henry Cisneros, who served as housing secretary under president Bill Clinton, arrived in Las Vegas Wednesday. Recognizing many of the Clinton canvassers may be too young to remember him and to know he was the second Latino mayor of a major U.S. city, he introduced himself to each person first.
>He said the DNA in Hillary Clinton's campaign is to create prosperity for everyone and make sure it includes new populations.
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Cisneros seriously damaged his image with the revelation of his long term mistress in the 1990s.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
7. Bernie has already won
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:13 AM
Feb 2016

Let's presume for a minute he loses the nomination. I never expected him to win! I never expected him to bring so many people together. I never expected him to shape the discussion to the degree he has ...

The political revolution is ignited. We're rockin'. And this is not going away if he loses ... because none of us ever expected him to carry the ball this far forward.

I fuckin' love this guy. He's a fullback who broke out for a 60 yard run. Let's shove this ball forward!

Trav

Paka

(2,760 posts)
8. I'm too old to regroup.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:35 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie has to win. He is the best for this country and it is the 11th hour. We win this time or we don't get another chance. It's up to us to make this happen.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
11. Agree, this country faces many serious issues and threats, and time
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:59 AM
Feb 2016

is not on our side. There will not be another chance to improve this country and earth for young people and future generations, if we don't fight the entrenched establishment and mass political-economic corruption and exploitation now.

ybbor

(1,555 posts)
9. Thank you!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:39 AM
Feb 2016

It is about us! We need to make it happen. We need to take our country back. It is up to us to stand up,to these forces that do not have our, nor our country's best interests at heart.

Screw those people. They could give a shit about us. They only care about themselves and will continue to do the really nasty shit they are doing. Bernie knew this was coming. He warned us. Now is the time to stand up to their shit and let them we know we will not be cowered. There is power in numbers, and we have the numbers if we can get his/our message out.

There are nine innings in every game, and we are just in the first. I personally like winning in the later innings, it usually really pisses of the favorites.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
14. We are all fired up
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

when you think about it it was only a narrow loss in Nevada. It could have gone either way. My mother (in England) said this morning that Bernie has hardly been mentioned and they have had Trump and Clinton on TV every day.

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