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Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:43 PM Feb 2016

Please tell me Bernie's staff have worked with him on FP for tonight's debate

Or at least just tell him to say what he really thinks (e.g., ISIS is a threat in one sense, but mostly being used by power elite & MSM as a distraction from important domestic issues).

I can't take another reference to "King Abdullah of Jordan..."

Early on in the campaign he would talk a little more explicitly about the failure of regime change as an historical US policy, and that was great, because he knows it like the back of his hand.

I suspect Hillary will try and do the ultimate stupid move, and try and paint him into a corner on Israel. I'm hoping Bernie will gently remind her neither of them is running for president of Israel.

Ultimately, if Bernie can go on the offensive about foreign policy (and boy is there ever a lot of room for that!), he will be crushing her in most areas. Moreover, he's had more than enough time now to get this right, and I suspect neither audiences nor press will be nearly as forgiving if he just stumps in his remarks or comes off as shaky.

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Please tell me Bernie's staff have worked with him on FP for tonight's debate (Original Post) Mufaddal Feb 2016 OP
We shall see Paulie Feb 2016 #1
I'm hoping for new material, too. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #2
What? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #3
I don't mean he's wrong Mufaddal Feb 2016 #6
He needs to stop letting her own it. 'she has more experience'. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #4
PS needs to keep reminding everyone of her Iraq War vote. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #5
And don't let her RUDELY interrupt every time he tries to say something! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #8
Considering upcoming Nevada, SC, and that Milw is a bastion of racism HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #7
His foreign policy is fine. malokvale77 Feb 2016 #9
I'm not talking about the broad strokes Mufaddal Feb 2016 #10
My prayers were answered Mufaddal Feb 2016 #11

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
6. I don't mean he's wrong
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

I mean it's his stump speech and there's not much meat to it. He knows how to attack US hawkish foreign policy very well, and he did it for much of his career. I think on this subject he gets self-conscious because Hill was SOS. Of course, she was a hawkish, terrible SOS (IMO), and it bothers me that he seems to hold back and not speak freely about his foreign policy views. I think it's the one area where he tends to get overly concerned about what people might think, or how it will play in the media or something. Just my gut. But he just needs to do what he does on every other subject: tell the truth, tell people what's really going on, and it will resonate. No need to be a deer in the headlights.

For instance, he could point out--when Hill tries to claim credit for the Iran deal--that she's claiming credit for Kerry's work, and with her there would have never been a deal. Or he could go after her preemptively on her hawkish views on Israel-Palestine, or more forcefully about her regime change views. She is a neocon when it comes to foreign policy, and he should treat her like one on it. He should also NOT let her get away with calling her Iraq vote a "mistake" again. That's disgusting minimization.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
4. He needs to stop letting her own it. 'she has more experience'.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

judgment is more important and he's correct. But he has lots of experience too, especially when the men come HOME.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
8. And don't let her RUDELY interrupt every time he tries to say something!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

He's too gentlemanly toward her. She would go for his jugular if she thought it would make her the nominee. No more nice guy.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. Considering upcoming Nevada, SC, and that Milw is a bastion of racism
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not to sure FB is where the candidates are going to take the conversation

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
9. His foreign policy is fine.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

Diplomacy first. Military intervention as a last resort.

What's the problem?

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
10. I'm not talking about the broad strokes
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

"Diplomacy first" is a nice soundbite, but it's not a full answer. He is getting needlessly panned on foreign policy in every single debate.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
11. My prayers were answered
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie killed it on foreign policy compared to virtually every previous debate. Kissinger, the history of regime change, all of it. Brutal. So happy right now.

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