Bernie Sanders
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the next few weeks are going to be nothing but kitchen sink politics
nothing but smears ,but do not let that get you down.
Do not feed the trolls !
They want you to get mad, upset do not let them.
valerief
(53,235 posts)I don't hear a peep out of them.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Some of them go missing for a few days and than pop up with back to back smear
because its coordinated
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Note I say SOME, not everyone because some attacks on Bernie feel like I'm hearing Rhetoric from Republicans. God help us if the Democrats have really gone this far right.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Especially after seeing how many of those same posters trashed Hillary back in 08. I get the impression that they want us to have the weakest candidate, and Hillary is a seriously flawed candidate.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I now think the whole thing in 2008 was sophisticated manipulation.
Because if it was real things would have come out that are crucially important to health care success - related to what we have already tried and failed at, but didn't.
If you go to Google's advanced search and look at the India press, or the India top level domain TLD (.in) and type in words relating to their accession to the WTO, GATS, and the right to education, you'll see a whole dialog being discussed there which we should have had here in 1994 over WTO and its "GATS" but didn't, and which we should be having here over the pending trade deals, now, because they last forever, and coud make drastic changes - ones we dont expect could happen, like sudden opening of the worklaces to subcontractors from firms from other countries, here on L1 visas, making US minimum wages or Third World wages, which then we likely could not even know (because they will be between the firms and their employers and would be paid overseas) Politicians acts should have a time limit attached to them, even their signings of trade deals, otherwise one corrupt Administration can doom a country forever to some horrible situation, with no escape possible. If their signatures expired after say 15 or 20 years, and whatever they had approved expired at that date, then at least there would be "hope" that corruption could be reversed. Someday. But with trade deals that don't expire, its forever.
Losing all public K12 education to globalized private chains that employed the cheapest degreed workers they could find, from all around the globe, at subsistence wages, because we had a few private schools, a few charter schools, would be nuts, but that's the path we're on because of the way the deals are designed.
Nobody knows that. These are core issues about whether or not our children will be able to go to school fter they are no longer needed as cogs in the machine, because jobs are automated. Becuse by midcentury, machines will think so hiring humans will be a luxury that's done for sentimental reasons, basically. The GOP and Hillary are pretending that none of these changes are happening and that we're living in some past which simply is a intentional deception.
American investment protection strategy should also be to protect small investors, not to try to eliminate checks on big banks and put the US taxpayer first in line to pay off the gambling debts of the ultra welthy with bailouts of free money. Which is what we are doing with TiSA.
We shouldn't be trying to force countries to end public higher education (thats what we've been doing with the GATS since 1994 and thats what we are doing with TiSA, TPP and TTIP - all virtually unknown parts of our global "progressive liberalisation" goals. (basically that means one way privatisation with a lock in, noose-like ratchet that prevents any reduction in any specific privatization or re-enactment of any regulation that was eliminated, after the relevant standstill dates in 1994 and 1998.)
Also, I refuse to vote for a candidate who clearly wants wages to fall anywhere (US policy on Haiti in 2011 was to block a increase in the minimum wage there, which was approved unanimously by the government) and I especially refuse to vote for a candidate or party that wants wages to fall here, but doesn't have the maturity to be open about it. If thats what they want, then everybody is going to need an advanced education to get a job because the WTO and other tade deals require objective criteria to be used in determining the specifications for procurement awards and pricing and that means education, not citizenship or origin of the firm, so basically, people who want to make good money will need lots of edducation because that is the way jobs will eventually be valued, not by citizenship. Right now Americans often make ten times more what somebody in a developing country to do the exact same job. Its clear that they want to end that, but they are pretending they don't.
Sanders clearly sees what a disaster that would be in an environment where loans cannot be forgiven, where education is no longer public, where health care cannot ever be public, which is what GATS says, because public health care is framed as a theft of market access from foreign corporations.
The same with education. This is extremely important. Its literally a make or break issue for this planet because of the evermore powerful nature of these neo-liberal global governance institutions which elevate corporate (framed as investor, but basically, corporations exist as people, people just exist as markets - rights to which and service in the form of cookie cutter "objective criteria" standardized parts that belong to their corporate owners, their firms, their labor to be traded like poker chips) This new "amoral system" was designed to silently replace our historic system while we were diverted with a phony left versus right skit which was shifting the Overton Window to reduce the expectations of all Americans
In a sense its as if the pod people in invasion of the body snatchers were replacing humans with napa cabbage people who had no heart or soul, but externally appeared normal, with only a few clues as to their lack of humanity. When humans slept, they would be replaced by their napa cabbage evil twin, which had also taken their soul. Those fils were about narcissism which is what all the people pushing it are, narcissists with zero conscience or empathy. Only they could do these things.
These secret deals are basically saying, money is everything.
Unlike 20th century century global governance institutions that used to put human rights above corporate rights, these deals may pay lip service to human *rights* but throw us to the wolves on economic issues by using an ideology of supply and demand that just doesn't do anything good. The services deals are designed to preserve the growing slice of the shrinking pie for the already insanely wealthy while creating an extremely precarious economic milieu for working people everywhere, pitting them against one another in a divide and conquer scheme to lower the planets wages without any democracy.
Clinton was part of the creation of the WTO but pretends not to know anything about all this, she tries to look like she wants increases in minimum wages here, but pretends she wants them to rise.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)when they post on a thread you don't see it? Even if it's your OP? And if its their OP, it won't show up under your Latest Threads?
I've never hit the 'ignore' button for anyone yet.
artislife
(9,497 posts)It is a beautiful thing.
840high
(17,196 posts)out of Tums xstrength.
artislife
(9,497 posts)The volume is up to 11 around here.
Turn it off!
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)And when we had to wait weeks to see a specialist he needed much sooner, I as a mother was to blame if I didn't circumvent our wonderful health insurance and care system to fight for him. There is nothing wrong with our current system...I just am not strong enough to work it for my kid. That one is on ignore and off juries too. Have a few more as well.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)not to become rich but to make a difference, and where profits weren't the primary consideration but curing people was, you would not have had to 'fight for' your child to get service. You wouldn't have even had to worry about anything - just go in and get the services.
I've always wondered why profit has to permeate everything.
Thanks for your reply, and hope your boy is OK now.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)If it is your OP or from somebody you don't have on Ignore, you will still see the thread. What you won't see in it, or in any thread, are any responses from people that you have on Ignore, or any responses to them. If somebody you have on Ignore initiates a thread, you won't see the entire thread.
Try it, it works extremely well.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)But, once you log in to DU they are disappeared and you don't need to bother with the insults and the temptation to engage them.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I let them out from time to time but they always find the way back in. Its pretty much always the same ones too.
I am pretty tolerant but I can only put up with so much bullshit. two lies or three half truths and out they go
valerief
(53,235 posts)I don't know how many people I've had to tell to put ME on Ignore when they get all poutraged at something I've said.
Ignore is a beautiful thing.
madokie
(51,076 posts)during the primaries.
I just went through my ignore list and I was surprised how many transparency pages were displayed
valerief
(53,235 posts)I'm not going to go through all of them for transparencies! Ha!
I wish I knew how they were ordered. They're not alphabetical and not by date of when I put them on Ignore and not by date of when they joined DU either.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Jackilope
(819 posts)I trash canned the Hillary group, but a thread or so appears on the Latest Threads. Ditto with a few of the people I blocked.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Some of the Candidates engage with dishing out the Lies and Hate, The images in my head start to *blur* together....
*that's gotta be BanWorthy....
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)I hope this is not banned. It's HILarious!
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)they might not want to listen to others but I do.
QC
(26,371 posts)Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)Seriously though, I'm more than disheartened/angered by the vitriol that some folks here have chosen to post, again and again, to prove their stance against Sen Sanders. It's disgusting and it becomes more disgusting every time I see an OP from certain individuals who post multiple threads bashing Sanders for this or that...in particular in regards to Sanders' outreach to POC.
QC
(26,371 posts)but it's what we should expect from a Fox "News" sort of person.
I expected it
They are going to smear call him a Hamas Sympathizer, Don't be surprise if Bibi pops up
The Clinton Camp will do whatever they can to get into power
hence why 2008 She bashed Obama over J.Wright, and played possum when ask if Obama was a christian
artislife
(9,497 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)to stay in the race, as she did in 2008, there's no reason to hold back on anything. All pretense of simple human decency is gone after that.
kath
(10,565 posts)i've decided to not even click on her threads. If more of us would do that, her threads would sink and she wouldn't get the attention she so craves.
Thankfully a few of the other really annoying ones are currently on more of their multiple vacations. IMO, the frequent offenders should get the permanent boot - maybe 2 or 3 timeouts, then you get the ban hammer??
pacalo
(24,721 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)There is one guy, Man actually that wore me out with the multiple insipid OPs that I put on ignore. It has been most pleasant because I know that particular poster would never actually post anything I would find inspired. You may want to do the same with those who strike you that way. It is like not reading the comments in the political section of Yahoo News. Life is better when you don't read those kinds of posts.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to put her on Ignore. Yeah, the person I'm thinking of is posting everywhere and it's quite annoying.
valerief
(53,235 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)That such a disruptive, abusive and admitted troll is allowed to continue posting is really kind of infuriating.
kath
(10,565 posts)Such bullshit that that troll is still here.
Then there's the one who was exposed as having multiple sock puppets and is also still here. (Who has a copy of the post exposing her?)
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)that was really enlightening.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Then they go over that stinkfest of the Hillary site and serve up the whine du jour with their pizza.
kath
(10,565 posts)have never seen anyone say that that actually happens.
Five times seems more than generous. I'd vote for three or four.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)Flip the covers on your buttons so they can't press them.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)The MSM has decided to just count the super delegates as gospel this cycle, which is alarming. The super delegates might just decide to burn the party to the ground to avoid the possible change a Sanders Presidency could bring.
However, it's our job to stay on message and continue to get out the vote. It doesn't matter what is happening state by state or what is happening with national polling. It's our job to influence our friends, neighbors, family, and anyone else around us in a positive way.
http://feelthebern.org/
At the bottom of that link are printer friendly flyers you can hand out. I keep a stack in my car and hand them out in drive thru windows and post them on bulletin boards at the parks. At the drive thru windows I always say "Bernie wants you to make $15 bucks an hour, read this and go register. You should see their eyes!
Fuck the trolls. you will not change their minds. They are happy feeding their masters and receiving nothing in exchange. It is our job to stand up and convince everyone we run into they don't need to feed the trolls, they can choose to stand up for themselves and vote against them.
Offer to drive them to the DMV or courthouse to get registered. Offer to help them get to the polls. Show them it really can be different.
It really can change if we make it change.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)At this point is just getting Sen.Sanders message out
helping getting new voters
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)We must overcome the superdelegates. They may turn against the majority this election, they have a lot of money at risk.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)offers all of the resources in spanish!!! this is a valuable and useful link. thank you, casseiopeia
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Their threads only gt notice when we are in them
other than that let their shit fail
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)The usual people are playing divide and conquer big time. There IS no fair shake possible from the establishment, so I'm gonna stay true and caucus for Bernie on March 1.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)That's their goal
our goal and mission is to just get Sen. Sanders message out there
anyone who is willing to take the time and listen can always be change their minds on voting for HRC
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Starve the trolls and stay positive. The ground game is getting interesting, and I'd like to see all of you still here and unbanned after the GE.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)They meet on the other site and plan to come to DU and post non stop smears
artislife
(9,497 posts)We all know who pushes our individual buttons to make us react, best to shut them out so they get shut down. There is very little across the aisle conversation right now anyway. It's a fever pitch.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Truprogressive.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)just scream out to be refuted. However I do try to avoid using the kind of logic which would trigger a successful alert.
When I read some of their lies, snark and gratuitous, really nasty attacks, I do pity the poor people who are their co-workers, spouses, children, etc.
840high
(17,196 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Just smile, wave and nod.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)I've trained many years at GameFAQs against trolls. I've got this.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Don't give them the oxygen they require by responding in their own threads.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I will strive to take it!
TBF
(32,064 posts)I just really don't read all the needless sniping. Either they will need us next fall or we will need them.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I have had to walk away a couple of times today because I could feel my temper and blood pressure both rising.
Good advice
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)VerseX
(19 posts)I have just started fighting back by making pro-Bernie images and posting them. Seems to work.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Insecure or something.
arikara
(5,562 posts)I couldn't stand the abrasive nastiness or even looking at its sig anymore. Generally I can ignore them without disappearing them but this one goes above and beyond.
grandstand_news
(1 post)Is Bernie Sanders the beginning of a new era of a multi-party political system in America?? Maybe... http://grandstandnews.com/2016/02/16/798/
Cal33
(7,018 posts)WEST12345
(1 post)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I hope and some point things can become civil again, but signs don't look good now.
And I need to remember that line at all times, "Do not feed the trolls!". That is the key. Plus having maybe 5-600 trolls on your ignore list.
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olddots
(10,237 posts)perservere everyone because the repukians are coming out .
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Cherry picking statements from fact checking orgs re: her cherry picking of data from an amendment that never passed.
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Rparker123
(4 posts)Totally agree!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)dmm80
(38 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)just put suns**ker on ignore. sheesh.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)They (You know who I mean!) get away with comments that would get any of us banned!
rickford66
(5,524 posts)If I criticize Bernie do I get banned from this group? I made a mild criticism about Hillary in that group and was immediately banned. No wonder there are no rebuttals to all their comments about Bernie. My complaint about Bernie is his very basic mission to get money out of politics. He doesn't connect that issue with getting his proposals enacted. "How's he gonna do it?" It's all you hear over and over. It's not just Hillary and those at the top who follow the money, it's all elected officials. I've listened to most of his speeches and listened to him on Hartmann for years so I love the guy, but for every issue he raises, he should at some time point out the corrupting influence money has on that particular subject and not treat money as a separate issue in its self. Back to work now.
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truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Just try to post about vaccines, Gm foods and seeds, etc.
I do a lot of my posting on Facebook among progressives who are so much better informed than some people here.
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)is that we are still in momentum mode AND winning against the still imposed narrative. As much as you want press fast forward this is going to be a grudging battle. It might be more worthwhile to prepare for victory in NY. No this is not unfettered optimism. This is likely, but because close or too close you have to remember there are many places you cannot hear what you might like or even expect in the event.
So what will be the reaction, since they have already set talking points in motion to cover their coming defeats. Any win of any proportion in NY considering all the facts have purified the actual political judgment in Sanders' total favor, never mind for the moment "but the delegate count" "the roadmap, the roadmap!" If she loses closely the same SHOULD be said but won't or not very loudly. Clinton is too weak a candidate for actual voters. Sanders, despite every type of massive opposition is rallying, enthused, intelligent. populist and ever more informed support in increasing numbers. The party has to wake up and either step aside from the dilemma of backing the primary season actual loser or find ways to benefit from and support the Sanders candidacy. They are supposed to be pros in dealing with hard choices They might earn their place in history yet by not blowing an entire election cycle for the sake of entrenched interests and join in leading and following the people- as has been done in the past with the blame shifted onto some single scapegoat.
When Sanders wins NY the fact of the matter is that all the issues are resolved- except delegate count total- replay of 2008 or maybe Bush/Gore 2000? It is time for the party organization to wake up and face a damn well evident reality.