Well girls and boys, I think the genie may be officially out of the bottle

[Bernin4U]

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Not that it's time to sit back and start counting our chickens. But I think we'll only be seeing more and more like the below.

The snowball is rolling, soon to become an unstoppable avalanche.

(EDIT: Here are typical comments from a news site this morning, that prompted me to write the above.)

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I had a micro-epiphany last night.

I can't stand Clinton, and have never trusted her. Too entitled. Too arrogant. Too . . .

However, I thought Sanders unelectable. Wild, non-implementable ideas, socialist tag, etc.

But I listened to his victory speech. Amongst the twice-too-long narrative, I was hearing all of the stuff I believe also. Make banking boring. Leave none behind. Sure, most ideas will crash and burn, but we can't let Reflublican resistance make it so that we don't even TRY. Bernie will try. Clinton will not.

Also, I thought about my fears about lack of foreign policy experience. I counted back presidents, and looked for it pre-term. I came up with H-W being VP and CIA director, Eisenhower in WWII (focussed on UK and France), and then nothing back to the founding fathers. So Bernie would be status quo. He'd bring in some people.

Starting to feel the Bern . . .
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My dad watches FOX and thought Bernie was basically Hitler. He also saw the speech, and also thought Bern was speaking for him. It's amazing how easy it is to mis-characterize someone in this day in age.

[retrowire]

1. Awesome to hear! nt

[RobertEarl]

2. Same old story

The more people listen to Bernie the more they like him.

Really, it's getting boring. Bernie needs to get radical!!
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[Cleita]

3. Anyone who listens to Bernie directly will not think he's like

Hitler. Anyone who listens to Fox News will be told he's like Hitler. Time for your dad to turn off Fox.

[Bernin4U]

5. Sorry, those were just some random comments today

That I think we'll be seeing more and more of.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. I know a couple of Hillary supporters who said last night was the first time they heard him speak...

They were shocked because they were told by other Hillary supporters that his speeches were 100% Hillary bashing.

The media blackout was that effective.

[Fawke Em]

22. Wow. He RARELY, if ever, mentions her.

In fact, most of the time, he'll speak about "the establishment," but not about any one person directly.

Goes to show one should do his/her own research.

[tblue37]

24. He also chastises interviewers who try to get him to baash her, and in his responses in

debates he complains about questions that focus on criticizing her rather than on real issues.

[tblue37]

26. What's really sad about how effective the blackout has been is that anyone who

wants to can hear Bernie speak at any time online. They don't have to wait for him to be covered by the MSM. They can also watch the debate online, even if they are infrequent or inconveniently scheduled. I think one reason Bernie appeals to younger voters is that they *do* go online to hear him and to check out his website, so they know what he is about.

But I find it truly sad that so many people are so politically passive that they sit and wait for their TV pundits to tell them about a major presidential candidate.

Martin O'Malley was even worse served by the media blackout, because by the time he got into the race, the online oxygen had already been sucked up by Bernie's fire. It should not be that hard for candidates to get their message out, even without the cooperation of the corporate media, but it is because US voters are so disengaged and passive. That is who comprises the army of low-information voters--those who can't be bothered to find out information on their own but simply wait like baby birds for inevitably biased opinions to be crammed like worms down their gullets.

[Bernin4U]

36. Problem is, too many people still let the MSM drive the narrative

Whether it's a subject of any actual interest to them or not, if it's not being covered in the MSM, then it must not be worth looking into.

Why people want to give a flying leap about what CNN, or MTV, or Academy of Motion Picture Arts want to force down our throats, is a mystery to me. 90% of it is junk food.

Really, it's just a herd mentality. People are more comfortable knowing they're in the majority. Which is why we heard so much more about HRH's polling early on, than anything of actual significance. "You should like HRH because she's the most popular." No thanks.

The flip side is that those who are quickest to jump onto a bandwagon are also the quickest to leave it. Things can remain dormant or under the radar for days, weeks, months, years. Then a switch is triggered, and it goes "viral" practically overnight. Things like popularity tend to grow exponentially much more than linearly.

Which is why it's dangerous to look at projections as a linear function. Bernie's spark has turned into a serious forest fire, and if HRH doesn't find a way to contain it immediately, her whole kingdom will be going up in smoke.

[tblue37]

37. Excellent post. nt

[PatrynXX]

11. no way for mine though

he's off Faux because it's too liberal he went to The Blaze but even that is wearing off. not sure what he watches now. Big issue with my dad he's always been anti Jew. Even if his brother married one. and like father like daughter naturally she married someone from outside the USA (Mexico) and I've told that one before he refused to go to her wedding ( I did he didn't) had a tendency when I was younger to say Hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. and neverending on Walt Disney. He's that sort of guy. Bernie will never win him over. He's tea party. He's no libertarian. They aren't the same thing. Rand Paul used to be more Tea Party but he's becoming more Libertarian as time goes on. Maybe he'll be Ron Paul someday. Ron who actually likes Bernie's stances on Wall Street

[Zambero]

4. Sanders would need Hillary supporters to win, and vice-versa

At the end of the day, regardless of who gets the nomination, the degree to which the Democratic Party unites behind its candidate will determine whether or not a Republican gets into the White House, a scenario that is almost too grim to contemplate.

It seems Bernie's message goes over well once people have a chance to hear his message first-hand. Kudos to your Dad for being open-minded in the face of an ongoing propaganda assault. Hopefully many more will see the light as well.

[Contrary1]

6. Kind of like the epiphany my husband had a few months back...

He's an Independent, and hadn't decided yet.

One night at dinner, he announced that he didn't really care too much for "that Bernie guy". The media had named Sanders a "Socialist", and he didn't have a prayer. My only response was "How can you say that if you haven't been paying any attention to him?"

He's paying attention now. There are countless others out there like my husband. Encourage them to hear Bernie's message.

By the way, he has since decided that Bernie best represents him. I didn't even have to quit serving hot meals.

[marions ghost]

7. good job

[Spitfire of ATJ]

9. "Let them eat corn dogs".

[japple]

14. Hell. let them eat cereal. I used to work with a woman who had a bad-

tempered husband. One day, after he had been ranting about something to her over the phone, she said, "I think we're having cereal tonight for supper." She had a cross to bear on many fronts (special needs child, insensitive boss, money woes, overbearing husband) and I applauded her for refusing to cook a hot supper for someone who never appreciated the sweet, lovely woman he'd married.

[barbtries]

25. Contrary, that last sentence

earned you a heart

[Contrary1]

40. Thank you!

[tblue37]

27. Actually, I would have expected you to go all "Lysistrata" on him! LOL. nt

[Joe Nation]

10. I love Bernie

And I don't like political dynasties be they Clinton or Bush. But, someone will have to tell me which state they see Bernie winning next. I can't see one he has a shot in. He put all his efforts into Iowa and New Hampshire. Now what?

[padfun]

12. Seriously?

Probably most of them.

You know, a black man with a "Kenyan" name will NEVER win a state.

[druidity33]

15. Well he'll win MA for sure. nt.

[marlakay]

18. I read today most of his campaign money comes

From WA state so they love him. CA my state Bernie folks everywhere.

I think Ohio, Penn, New York, i can think of plenty.

[artislife]

29. We do except

We have a real superdelegate problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016#List

All Washingtonians need to flood their inboxes, post on local site to get the them to switch to undecided until WE vote on March 26th!

Suzan Del Bene
Denny Heck
Jay Inslee
Derek Kilmer
Rick Larson
Jim McDermott
Patty Murray
Adam Smith
Maria Cantwell

[Bernin4U]

33. Thanks! I'm on it. Do you know if...

Patty and Maria have endorsed her? I'm assuming so, but haven't actually seen it.

From what I've seen, it's hard to imagine HRH would win if the caucuses were next week, let alone next month. Those officials will need to get out of their bubble!

[artislife]

34. Those two names are on the list.

I have already slammed Patty and Maria for their TPP votes.

I actually scraped 250 together to go to a luncheon with both of them and Al Frankin. This was not cheap for my purse. So I told them I was rethinking my automatic votes for them.

[Bernin4U]

38. Indeed. It's going to be get with the program, or get out.

Bernie is only the first step.

Live I've said elsewhere, you don't bring a superstar athlete into your team and expect them to fit right in and work miracles. You have to reconfigure a new system around them. It often means that some veterans may no longer fit in. So sorry, we appreciate your years of dedication, but this is not about you, it's about the team.

If Bernie represents the will of the people, whoever still have trouble to get behind him are only showing themselves to be no longer a good fit.

[artislife]

39. Preach!!! nt

[Paulie]

20. He has a shot in the next two

His team has been in the ground for quite a while in the next two. Keep at it and he can win.

http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/rep-clyburn-on-clinton-v-sanders-race-620320323606

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-02-05/tad-devine-sanders-has-a-chance-to-win-in-nevada

[greymouse]

13. Bernie and foreign policy

I was listening to someone or other on some radio station today (long long drive home refer to Hillary's time as Secretary of State as part of her experience. Here is a clue, unknown lady: Reducing a basically middle class country like Libya to a civil war hellhole overrun by ISIS is not on the positive side of the ledger.

[cui bono]

17. Good to haar that about the Dad who watches Fox.

That's why we NEED to nominate Bernie. He has crossover appeal. Hillary is a repellent.

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[tblue37]

30. Yep. Bernie motivates liberal Democrats who have withdrawn from the political

process in frustration and hopelessness, while also attracting independents, many of who were once Democrats but left the party because of its rightward drift. He also doesn't motivate the RW base to come out against him the way Hillary would.

His ability to give hope to ordinary people that their concerns might be listened to could bring a lot of new and/or lapsed voters out, as Obama did, which can also help with downticket races, especially since he usually emphasizes the need to get Dems into office to cooperate with him in enacting his agenda.

Meanwhile, most Republican voters don't trust Trump, but his 27% seems not only solid but actively hostile to the other candidates, epecially those favored by the establishment Republicans. If Trump is nominated, many relatively sane Republicans won't vote for him, and some would actually vote Dem to prevent Trump from becoming president. But at least part of Trump's fanatical base would probably refuse to vote for an establishment approved candidate if they think Trump was cheated out of the nomination.

However, the split in the Repub voter base is likely to disappear if Hillary is our nominee, because they are united in their virulent hatred of her, which has been stoked endlessly over the past 25 years. If it is Hillary, even Trump's fans will hasten to the polls to vote agsinst her. Hatred and rage are among their most powerful motivators, and Hillary provokes those emotions in them like no one else.

[Lorien]

19. From a Republian who posted to a friend's thread:

"As the token conservative of the group, I want to tip my hat and congratulate Sanders and all of you. You guys picked a good-hearted man and you backed him early and with conviction.

For somewhat self-serving reasons I want him to win the nomination (Clinton has a much better chance at beating kasich or Rubio). But I also want him to win because it's always good when sincerity and transparency beats the machine. Therefore, congratulations on your victory.

I'm still not feeling the bern, but I am feeling a rash that's starting to spread and itch."

[Cosmocat]

21. I felt the same way about that speech

as I felt during BHO's speeches during his campaigns.

I definitely want to hear more of them.

[Shadowflash]

23. ''Bernie will try. Clinton will not.''

Exactly. I'm NOT voting for the 'No we can't' candidate.

I never thought I'd see the day when a candidate ran, in the DEMOCRATIC primary, who came out against education and healthcare being rights for everybody, not just for the elites like them.

[guillaumeb]

28. Myth vs. reality

Myth one:
"Only younger, uninformed voters like Bernie"
I had breakfast with a group of retirees last week. Out of the 9 older, white male retirees, 8 expressed support for Sanders.

Myth two:
"women" are HRC supporters"
I have not yet found an HRC supporter among any females that I know. All are talking about Sanders.

Myth three:
"what Sanders proposes will never pass"
The same thing was said about female suffrage, and civil rights, and marriage equality, and many other issues.

[Bluzmann57]

31. I am a Sanders supporter

I am 58 yrs. old. My elderly mother is a Sanders supporter as is my dad. They are 85 and 82. And last I heard, my mom is a woman. So that puts lie to the myth that Sanders has no older people or older women supporting him.
Very simply put, what we all want is a better America. This is still the greatest country in the world with potential to become even greater. That's why people are hearing Bernie.

[guillaumeb]

32. Both of our posts will be dismissed as unscientific, anecdotal testimony.

But the rallies, the donations, the votes say otherwise.

[arcane1]

35. "Bernie will try. Clinton will not. "

Exactly