Please Proceed Madame Secretary.... Bernie is not Jewish Enough!!

[jillan]

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.702540

Clinton to Attack Sanders on Israel Record After New Hampshire Defeat
For the Clinton campaign, New Hampshire made clear that it is time to increase pressure on the Vermont socialist — including a harsher message to Jewish American voters.

For the Clinton campaign it was a night that made clear that it is time to increase pressure on the Vermont socialist — including a harsher message to Jewish American voters.

“Hillary Clinton has been a very strong friend of Israel and that is something that should not be lost on the American Jewish community,” said Paul Hodes, a former New Hampshire congressman who came to rally for Clinton at her post-primary event. Hodes, who is Jewish and from New Hampshire, told the Forward: “Senator Sanders hasn’t showed himself to be the kind of friend of Israel that Secretary Clinton is.”

Yes, by all means attack the first Jewish Person that made history as the first time a Jew won a presidential primary.
ETA - Bernie's father lost family members in the Holocaust which is one of the reasons they came to America.

Please proceed.

[Kalidurga]

1. Unfortunately his family was quite Jewish enough.

[jillan]

12. Some info on that.....

Sanders's parents were Jewish immigrants from Poland. His father, Eli, a struggling paint salesman who saw his family wiped out in the Holocaust, worried constantly about supporting his wife and two sons.


http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-parents-holocaust/

[Kalidurga]

109. Yeah even when it's people you never actually knew

It has an effect. When I was a kid I would hear family stories and some of them were quite ghastly. The things nightmares are made of. I am sure that had the same kind of effect on a young Bernie knowing his dad's family was killed just for being Jewish.

[dchill]

2. K/R

[azmom]

3. I don't doubt it for a minute. Her campaign

Strategy sucks.

[LiberalElite]

97. Her campaign started that whole innuendo about Obama's middle name "HUSSEIIN"!!

that the right wing willingly adopted as their own and we're living with the repercussions to this day and beyond.

[zentrum]

100. Yup. It was appalling.

[840high]

105. I'll never forget that.

[Xipe Totec]

4. Please leave swift boating to the experts, Hillary. nt

[Deny and Shred]

11. But she has been hiring those type of experts

Perhaps this is their opening salvo.

Gonna be a lot of fireworks. The challenge will be to keep up with their attack-du-jour for the next couple months.

[frylock]

59. She IS the expert.

[saidsimplesimon]

121. Love your sig line

Surely, we all remember President Obama's famous brushing the dirt from his shoulder. Swift boaters are nothing new. We can handle trolls under the bridge.

[Xipe Totec]

129. Thanks! There's so much more to that poem

Here's another bit:

Laurels? Do not foolishly demand them!
Ascents begins with falls
for overreaching spans and large burdens.
Thus, from the crest of yonder cliff,
The condor of the Andes jumps,
and for a moment plummets.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. so, the implication is that Bernie is a self-loathing jew?

Yeah, that will fly. Much like a glider made out of leggos and granite boulders.

I absolutely loved his self-description about faith and belief.

[thesquanderer]

20. And there are lots of Jews (here and in Israel) who are not big fans of right wing Netanyahu

so running to Sanders' right on Israel is by no means a sure way to broaden her support among Jews, esp. Jewish Dems.

[Cleita]

22. Shows how she really doesn't understand foreign policy.

The Likkud Party is like our extreme right wing PNAC types here. They live for war.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

28. They live for war, theft and the eradication

of the Palestinian people.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

29. I have always sensed that, too.

But I only visit israeli news sites a couple of times a month. Some of the things written by the most conservative warmongers just scares the shit out of me.

[frylock]

61. Extreme right wing PNAC types are Hillary's people.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

90. B I N G O, and bingo was their name-oh.

That needs to be repeated until it breaks through their PNAC neocon DLC cabal's cone of silence.

[6chars]

34. netanyahu would get on fine with sanders

they would disagree about settlements, for sure. but sanders comes across as supporting israel's security even without shouting it from the highest rooftops

[thesquanderer]

35. Sure, Sanders supports Israel. But he also boycotted Netanyahu's...

...ridiculous play before congress.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-bernie-sanders-boycott-netanyahu-speech/story?id=28835807

[6chars]

39. netanyahu isn't israel

bernie gets it.

[thesquanderer]

53. Yup. Does Hillary? (n/t)

[6chars]

57. well, she didn't go to Netanyahu's speech to congress, did she?

[thesquanderer]

62. Well, she wasn't a member of Congress, so she has a built-in excuse (n/t)

[jillan]

95. +10000!

[lob1]

101. So...you're saying I should stop construction

of my granite and Leggos glider?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

102. Not at all.

But consider a few minor points. Inertia. Mass. Acceleration. Energy. Velocity. Integrity. Cruz-iality. Trump-ability. The Rubio-neque artwork that might enhance it. Not to mention the gravity of the whole situation.

[lob1]

112. Thank you. I've considered your very good points.

I'm going to install a lighter-than-gravity switch.

[Autumn]

6. Senator Sanders has shown himself to be the kind of friend the American people need

and that's what matters.

[malokvale77]

88. Why yes he is.

He's running for the office of The President of The United States of America, not Israel.

I want my president to be a friend of We The People of The United States of America. Bernie is.

[thereismore]

7. A charitable view is this: She is trying to out-jewish a Jew. Please proceed. nt

[dorkzilla]

41. Un-fucking-believable.

First she’s more progressive than he is. That didn’t work.
Now she’s more Jewish than he is? WTF??? This should go over well.

[dragonfly301]

77. Well Bill was the first black potus

so Hillary wants to be the first jewish potus...

[thereismore]

78. OMG you are killing me. nt

[Senator Tankerbell]

8. Lots of trial balloons floating around today.

The Clinton campaign is in full-on panic mode.

[Dretownblues]

9. She is truly an awful candidate

If she wins the nomination, I have no faith in her abitily to run a general campaign properly.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. How very Rovian. Maybe this is the RW hack's (Brock) idea? Could be ..

[Mufaddal]

13. I would like to see Bernie use this as a chance to take a stronger stand against apartheid

Especially since you know the Clinton camp is just going to bring up all his old quotes about cutting off arms to Israel anyway. Might as well go all-in.

But yes, this is another losing strategy any way you look at it. Plus, younger voters haven't bought into this notion that the candidates are also effectively running for President of Israel as well.

Maybe Hillary's line of thinking is: "Well, Bill was the first black president, and I'll be the first Jewish president"? Who can say. But her advisers and inner circle couldn't be doing a better job of taking a wrecking ball to her campaign than if they were paid saboteurs.

[CentralMass]

14. Her campaign seems to invest most of it energy in attack politics.

[jeff47]

23. When you can't run on anything else...... (nt)

[OrwellwasRight]

133. That's been the Clinton Way since the 1980s

one reason she has so many endorsements is that people in DC are quite literally afraid of backlash!

[jalan48]

15. How low can she go? Hillary doing her political limbo rock.

[pangaia]

58. Oh just wait. it will get much worse.

[mikehiggins]

72. How low can she go? Stop asking that question. They take it as a challenge. eom

[TIME TO PANIC]

16. The Clinton campaign is in self-destruct mode.

[thesquanderer]

17. Interesting poll result in that article

Last edited Wed Feb 10, 2016, 10:43 PM - Edit history (1)

A Sienna Research poll of New York voters published Monday found that 41% of Jews in the state plan to vote for Clinton in the primaries, while only 33% of Jewish New Yorkers said they would give their vote to Sanders, who grew up in a Brooklyn Jewish family.
At the same time, New York Jews expressed a more favorable opinion of Sanders than they did when asked about Clinton.

The discrepancy of having more favorable view of Sanders but not so sure about voting for him parallels some of what we've seen on other kinds of polls, where that difference seems often to be based on seeing Clinton as more electable in November. The more Bernie can convince people that he can win, the more likely it is that he will win.

[jillan]

18. Jewish people overwhelmingly vote for the Democrat - so Bernie vs Hillary doesn't matter...

whichever one gets the nom will get the vote.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

[thesquanderer]

19. Yes, but in the primary, they may be persuaded toward...

...the one who can better beat the Republican. Polls are saying that's Sanders, but not everyone knows that...

[jillan]

26. You know what might change that? If Hillary starts trying to insert divisive politics into the

Jewish vote.

[thesquanderer]

32. LOL, good point! Go Hillary! ;-) (n/t)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

94. Jewish people will be put off by Hillary's pandering

[elljay]

104. We're Complicated

I had a conversation recently with a friend who, like me, is Jewish from NY and now living in California. He's voting for Hillary, not because he prefers her to Bernie, but because he thinks the country is not yet ready for a Jewish president. I hope he is wrong but I'm not positive.

[eridani]

114. Well, in 2008, the country was not ready for a black president with the middle name--

--"Hussein"

[elljay]

134. You're right

though, on the other hand, it is quite clear that a pretty large chunk of this country is still really pissed off about it. Hence, Trump.

[eridani]

135. Agreed. And Trump supporters are not likely to vote for any Democrat

However, Sanders may peel some of them off if he can convince them to hate banksters more than immigrants.

[roguevalley]

21. nothing is beneath her. What's next? If she plans to out Jewish him, will she try and out holocaust

him too? My great granny Minerva Schlegelmilch would clock her in the face.

[mikehiggins]

73. I would just like to point out that I warned DU about this last night, while the euphoria of

a well earned victory was flowing through all of us.

The establishment will not let this stand without a down and dirty, brass knuckles brawl.

Get ready.

[roguevalley]

75. true indeed. :(

[mhatrw]

24. Hillary's newest firewall? nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. And the subtext of these statements...

Senator Bernie Sanders hasn't shown the resolve and courage to press his face firmly up the backside of Israel's right-wing, apartheid practicing, land-theft enabling, Palestinian murdering bigot politicians in the same way that Hillarity Ridham Clintoon is prepared to in order to shill for AIPAC dollars.

I guess that he's really not a good enough Jew if he doesn't do that.

The last thing we need is a US policy that continues Israels illegal colony franchise while we look the orher way as Netanyahu finishes his pogroms against the Palestinian people.

It just might take a Jewish POTUS to tell Israel to pound sand.

[pangaia]

63. That deserves a heart.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

71. TY!

[ladyVet]

117. You'd think a people who have been on the receiving end of so many progroms...

would be less likely to be on the giving end.

I have no worries about how Bernie will handle Israel. My feeling is, there'd be some work towards ending the strife by diplomacy and less selling of bombs. And that's good for everyone.

[Duckhunter935]

27. and in comes the kitchen sink

Just as Bernie suggested. They are sure pissed and flailing

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. Didn't she learn anything from 2008?

Running against the black candidate, she claimed that "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again . . . ." Tuning up the old dog whistle again, Hillary?

[jillan]

31. It makes me ask one question.....

Who the f*ck does she think she is?

Despicable in 2008 & despicable now.

[pangaia]

65. My one question is.

why the fuck would anybody vote for her?

[SammyWinstonJack]

85. I fucking don't. She's low down despicable.

[840high]

106. Yep

[erlewyne]

70. Thanks 'The Velveteen Ocelot'

I was looking for the "dog whistle". But I forgot what it was called.

Yes Hillary, we know Bernie is a Jew, .... big deal.

I am against war and so is Bernie.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. When does Hillary plan to have her bat mitzvah?

Seeing how they want her to out-Jewish Bernie.

Fekking kitchen sink. Fekking low.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. I can see her now saying, "Bill?" and he's nowhere to be found.

[jillan]

40. When she campaigns in Florida ;)

[dorkzilla]

48. I think I saw her when I dropped off my step-Aunt at her Chabad Women’s circle meeting last night!

Perhaps she was there to swap recipes for Purim hamantashen? FFS, this is pretty low.

[fbc]

37. I'd probably vote for Hillary for prime minister of Israel.

Unfortunately for her, she is running for president of the US.

[Lordquinton]

38. I thought the arguments were that Sanders was too close to Isreal

Now Hillary is closer to Israel than he ever was? I'm so confused... Is she going to release the details of the kibbutz she stayed at before her speeches now?

( for that last line)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. In Minnesota a guy lost an election due to a claim that his opponent was a bad Jew.

Specifically, some supporters of that candidate, Rudy Boschwitz, sent a letter on campaign stationery to members of the Minnesota Jewish community three days before the 1990 Senate election, accusing Paul Wellstone of being a "bad Jew" for marrying a Gentile and not raising his children in the Jewish faith (Boschwitz was also Jewish). It said: "Wellstone has no connection with the Jewish community or our communal life," the letter said. "His children were brought up as non-Jews." It also noted that Mr. Wellstone served as co-chairman of Jesse Jackson's 1988 Presidential campaign in Minnesota. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/10/us/ousted-senator-apologizes-for-letter-to-jews.html

Wellstone's reply, widely broadcast on Minnesota television, was "He has a problem with Christians, then." The letter stirred up a firestorm and Boschwitz apologized, but he was the only incumbent U.S. senator not to be reelected that year.

[Rotegard]

98. Infamous

Boschwitz was denounced from the pulpit at Temple Israel by his own Rabbi. It was epic.

[closeupready]

43. Horrible direction to take her campaign - I have lost what little respect I had for her.

[restorefreedom]

44. this will backfire in spectacular fashion. nt

[SoapBox]

50. And bring in even more funds because...

American voters will be SO disgusted with this slimy attack.

[restorefreedom]

52. yup. i am still, digesting the 5.2 million since yesterday! nt

[jeff47]

96. It's up to 7 million since yesterday. (nt)

[restorefreedom]

99. who hoooooo nt

[Change has come]

103. over 7 million now :)

[840high]

107. ....

[restorefreedom]

116. excellent! nt

[nxylas]

45. "As I was saying to my rabbi while eating a gefilte fish bagel"

"Um, um, what else is it they say? Fershlugginer, that's a word, isn't it?"

[dorkzilla]

51. gefilte fish bagel? LOL

THAT would be disgusting

Although I actually had some really good gefilte fish about 27 years ago. Once. In 50 years. Blech.

[Betsy Ross]

125. Home cooked

From frozen loafs isn't homemade but it is entirely different form the cat food in jars. Actually, my cats wouldn't eat the jar stuff.

[dorkzilla]

126. The stuff I had was brought in to the office by one of my bosses

It was actually pretty good, but we had to be shamed into trying it.

Now kosher wine on the other hand?

[sarge43]

46. What says that an American Jew has to give non-critical unquestioning support to Israel?

Especially if he become POTUS? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems his first overriding concern would be the welfare of this country.

For that matter why would any POTUS give non-critical unquestioning support to Israel, especially if it could be detrimental to this country?

[dorkzilla]

55. Nothing does

My step-family and ex-in laws (the latter of whom were Holocaust survivors) are VERY PROUD Jews and VERY ANTI-Netanyahu and very anti-West Bank settlement. Anyone who is unquestioning of ANYTHING is an ass.

[sarge43]

60. Sing it.

One of the many things I like about Senator Sanders. He appears to have a well calibrated crap detector and isn't afraid to use it.

[Half-Century Man]

47. A lot of the current struggles would have been avoided

Or at least diminished if Rabin hadn't been assassinated.
But the right wing, regardless of nationality is prone to violence.

I'll never trust the American right for any support of Israel. Their motives are almost always money or Armageddon.
Shalom

[SoapBox]

49. No low...no matter how low...

Is too low for the Clintons.

How disgraceful and disgusting.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

54. I'm sure Hillary will support the right-wing apartheid government....

Sell them all the cluster bombs they want.

[pangaia]

56. Come on Clinton's. MAKE MY DAY !!!

[Duval]

64. I hope to hell this backfires big time!!

I am almost in shock that she would go there!!

[QC]

66. 7 things Hillary Clinton has in common with your bubbie!

OK, Can I be her media guru now?

[jillan]

68. Nothing in common with my bubbie! My bubbie was full of love, had a big heart, open arms for all and

always wanted me to eat - lol!

[QC]

86. My favorite bubbie is right here!

[jillan]

92. Nope. Her pickles.

Yummmmy

[QC]

93. I will have to try them! n/t

[99th_Monkey]

67. Clintons may well regret opening this can of worms.

Discussing ME foreign policy is one thing, but this feels more like a toxic Madeline O'Hare-type
gaff, i.e. one that could easily back-fire.

[AllyCat]

69. Why am I getting worried the Repubnants will start pulling out the "Holocaust was a lie" bit?

ugh...Can't believe she feels the need to do this stuff. Why can't she talk about what she stands for and how she will help us?

[gregcrawford]

74. With friends like Hode...

... Clinton doesn't need enemies. Team Clinton is going to run out of feet in which to shoot themselves.

[mikehiggins]

76. Okay, now Trump and co can accuse HRC of anti-semitism, claim she is using the blood libel charge.

What the hell has happened to Bill and Hill? They are turning into the worst candidates ever. It is mind boggling.

Hopefully someone with a brain in HRC's campaign will stomp on this.

[PatrynXX]

79. yeah Only Hillary wants to pull a half hearted ted nugent

maybe the ADL will get annoyed (oops) You know Left WING Jews don't really get along with Right Wing Jews you know that right Hillary. Many Left Wing Jews are the ones to state that the Soldiers in Israel act like Nazi's. , however only they have the right to say it not Ted Nugent. Who actually is saying the left wing Jews are the actual Nazi's nevermind Nazism is a Right Wing ideaology

[TBF]

80. The NYTimes tried the same tactic this morning

and they can also f*ck off.

[jillan]

89. Woah! New York Times? Wow - that just might backfire.

[TBF]

91. Here's the link -

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/us/politics/bernie-sanders-jewish.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Yes there are many American Zionists. But many of us have more nuanced views and we love Bernie.

That is why I went to Tikkun for an article this morning & will be posting more from them as we go along (Rabbi Lerner is a humanist) - http://www.democraticunderground.com/102411064

[840high]

108. NYT - my cat box litter in a pinch.

[sarge43]

113. My go to for bird cage carpet. n/t

[AzDar]

81. She is DISGUSTING.

[ellennelle]

82. uh oh, this is beyond sad

pathetic, actually.

do her peeps not know how strong the BDS and palestinean issues are for the kids these days? they get it.

hell, they're big issues for ME, and i'm almost as old as hillary.

double hell, her 'close ties' to israel count as a big reason i do NOT support her.

[HooptieWagon]

83. Yes, the Clintons are probably stupid enough to go there.

Blind ambition has shut off the blood supply to their brains.

[DebbieCDC]

84. HRC has always been in AIPAC's pocket

[DefenseLawyer]

87. Worst. Campaigner. Ever.

[MasonDreams]

110. Be a good loyal democrat, please, Hillary, please

Don't hurt the party's nominee. The people's choice BERNIE.

[List left]

111. Tone deaf as usual. nt

Tone deaf as usual. nt

[Enthusiast]

115. Kicked and recommended!

[hughee99]

118. Coming soon, 7 ways Hillary is just like your Bubbee. Nt

[NCjack]

119. The attack will be effective in driving a wedge between Bernie and Ted Cruz supporters.

Guess what? Bernie was never going to get any of them anyway. And, if Hillary wins the nomination, it will cost her Bernie supporters in the General Election. Not a good smear. The end result was not thought out. The opportunity to have the first Jewish president, and Hillary tells the Jews that he is not worthy.

[nyabingi]

120. There's nothing wrong with Hillary's support of Israel

but her admiration and fawning of Israel's most right-wing and racist politicians and political parties is a MAJOR problem.

I think most people know that just as the Republican Party isn't synonymous with American, the Likud and other far-right Israeli parties aren't synonymous with Israel.

Yet another attack angle against Bernie that will backfire, but let them go on ahead with it.

[lark]

122. Where did Clinton get these campaign people?

This is just stupid and you'd think she'd be smart enough to know that.

[AlbertCat]

123. Great!

Now Hillary is Jewish as well as black!

She's Sammie Davis Jr in a pants suit!

[jillan]

124. Sammy Davis Jr in a pants suit!! I am dying over here!!

[Martin Eden]

127. "Friend of Israel" = subservienace to Likud

... while Israel continues to build in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, creating facts on the ground.

[Faux pas]

128. Lol

yes, proceed madamn secretary.

[glinda]

130. I remember during her last Campaign where she said she was part Jewish.

Pretty sure I have that right.......

[DUbeornot2be]

131. Sure seems...

...that part of her new digital strategy involves baiting Sanders' supporters into responding to controversial subjects in ways that can be used against Bernie...

Don't take the bait!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

132. So, apparently Clinton is a black Jew. nt