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panader0

(25,816 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:45 PM Feb 2016

My 24 year old daughter's comments about the Gloria Steinem BS:

"I find this very offensive! If I was running for president I think I would make it especially well known that I did not want anyone to vote for me just because I'm a woman. I would try to never talk about my gender as a trait that could help me. Although it would be a great social milestone to see a woman as president, it would be similarly as great to see a Hispanic in the White House, an Atheist, a homosexual, etc."
She has become a fine young progressive voter.

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My 24 year old daughter's comments about the Gloria Steinem BS: (Original Post) panader0 Feb 2016 OP
Yay daughters! Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #1
One smart young woman! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #12
This boomer totally agrees with her! CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #2
Good job raising such a strong and intelligent woman!!! cui bono Feb 2016 #3
You must be proud!! bunnies Feb 2016 #4
My ultimate wish: The first Native American President. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #5
I'm one eighth Crow. Does that count? panader0 Feb 2016 #6
Yes! And I'd like to say, Elisabeth Warren is part Native. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #7
A worthy goal, if it were to happen Dragonfli Feb 2016 #8
Yes, I feel that Native Americans have been very gracious to white people. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #9
That is my wish too. geardaddy Feb 2016 #22
Well..DUH! thereismore Feb 2016 #24
... geardaddy Feb 2016 #25
what a fine young woman and good parenting there. :D roguevalley Feb 2016 #10
She has a great Mom! nt zentrum Feb 2016 #11
Actually I raised her as a single dad. panader0 Feb 2016 #14
Thanks for clearing that up. Great job, Dad !!! libdem4life Feb 2016 #26
Oops. Thanks zentrum Feb 2016 #30
Hillary and her buddies in the Senate Helen Borg Feb 2016 #13
As a Boomer Woman, that's a great distinction. My 26 year old son ... doesn't get it either. libdem4life Feb 2016 #27
I hear the same from my grandkids. K&R Duval Feb 2016 #15
You have a very intelligent daughter MissDeeds Feb 2016 #16
"I would try to never talk about my gender as a trait that could help me." mike dub Feb 2016 #17
Stephen Colbert interviewed Megan Kelly yesterday & she came off as a more actually fem-power than uhnope Feb 2016 #18
She's right. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #19
What Gloria Steinem does not seem to understand SheilaT Feb 2016 #20
Or the first Jew. zeemike Feb 2016 #21
Jews don't believe in hell (as such), but if they did ... Babel_17 Feb 2016 #31
I did not even know Sandy Koufax was a Jew. zeemike Feb 2016 #34
Yeah, he got respect for not pitching on Yom Kippur but it was played down Babel_17 Feb 2016 #35
I have always admired Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright. TNNurse Feb 2016 #23
I have always admired Molly Ivins panader0 Feb 2016 #28
I would love to have Molly and Ann Richards to give their take on this mess. TNNurse Feb 2016 #29
Hey! My Mom and Grandma were nurses and we live in Tennessee! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #33
can equality be obtained by acting like the people who denied you equality ? olddots Feb 2016 #32
Those who break through barriers randr Feb 2016 #36
 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
1. Yay daughters!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

One of mine just said "gross" re Steinem's remarks. She also said "obama's REAL legacy is Bernie Sanders."

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
8. A worthy goal, if it were to happen
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:13 PM
Feb 2016

We would have the first president that was not an illegal alien in charge, I suspect such a President would be too gracious and forgiving to ask all the foreigners with terrorists ancestors to leave (besides, that would leave very few left for the next election).

Sorry to be so blunt, but there are few true Americans out there and the hypocrisy of the squatters when talking immigration has always bothered me.

Lucky for me and most, the natives are very kind and welcoming to those that came here to seal everything from those that respected rather than presumed to "own" this land.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
30. Oops. Thanks
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:17 PM
Feb 2016

…..for pointing out my automaticity. Don't want to have that.

She has a really great dad!

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
13. Hillary and her buddies in the Senate
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016

Belong to an old brand of feminism whose ideal is a mirror world with its hierarchies and inequalities exactly as is, but with women in power.
Progressive feminism is about creating a different world where it does not matter if one is a male or a female, a world of true equality.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. As a Boomer Woman, that's a great distinction. My 26 year old son ... doesn't get it either.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

That's one generation issue I'm happy for. And for that, I'm very proud of him.

mike dub

(541 posts)
17. "I would try to never talk about my gender as a trait that could help me."
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

Very intelligent thoughts from your daughter. The candidate in question, however, may never catch on...

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
18. Stephen Colbert interviewed Megan Kelly yesterday & she came off as a more actually fem-power than
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

HRC or Steinem. Weird times!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
20. What Gloria Steinem does not seem to understand
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

is that the world today is a very different place for a 24 year old woman than it was over a half century ago as it was for Ms. Steinem, who is 81.

It's a central problem to each generation. We grow up in the times we're in. Things change. It can be very, very hard for someone to understand what it is really like for a different generation.

I'm 67, and I never understood exactly why we were fighting in Vietnam, and I really didn't understand why the older generation didn't respect us for not wanting that war, for protesting, and so on. Then I started reading old Life Magazine. Sequentially, starting with the first issue in November, 1936. By the time I got to about 1943 or so, I really got it. WWII was a "good war" if any war can actually be good. We really were fighting the forces of terrible evil, and the outcome was going to shape the world for generations to come. So the people who'd gone through that as young adults, tended to see any war we were fighting as a good one, as the right fight to be having. My own opinion about Vietnam didn't change, but I stopped thinking the older generation was stupid.

The world Gloria Steinem grew up in and which influenced her thinking doesn't really exist any more. Which is not to say we've reached perfection. There's still a lot to be done, but I'd guess that any woman under the age of about 40 or so simply doesn't quite connect to Steinem's values or world view.

I like the younger generation. A lot.

Your daughter is smart and thinks things through.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. Or the first Jew.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

So if firsts are all you are looking for in a president then we still have one.

But I don't believe that young people are that shallow. I think they are smarter than what the PTB give them credit for, and your daughter is an example of that.

Young people see a future that looks pretty bleak for them is something is not done, And having a first is not doing something.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
31. Jews don't believe in hell (as such), but if they did ...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

meh, I can't see many making that kind of an appeal on how one votes for POTUS.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1594422/jewish/Do-Jews-Believe-in-Hell.htm

Cheering for Sandy Koufax, back in the day, might have been a different story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Koufax

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
34. I did not even know Sandy Koufax was a Jew.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:59 AM
Feb 2016

Watched him pitch many times and it never occurred to me to even wonder.
I suppose people more familiar with name origins would have known but not me.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
35. Yeah, he got respect for not pitching on Yom Kippur but it was played down
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 03:24 AM
Feb 2016

There was a sequel to the novel Marathon Man, called Brothers, and IIRC (very minor spoiler) an assassin tries to irritate his Jewish target at a basketball game by loudly wondering at the lack of Jewish athletes. Lol, he got his reaction, and a great lecture about some notable ones, Koufax included.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
23. I have always admired Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

They are wrong about this. I am 66 yo and have never voted for a Republican for President. I am not going to vote for a woman just because she is a woman. Hell, that would mean Carly Fiorina is a reasonable choice.

I will certainly vote for Hillary Clinton because she is the Democratic candidate....not because she is a woman. That is not the point of feminism to me.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
28. I have always admired Molly Ivins
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

"Shrub" and "Bushwhacked" were excellent. I wonder what she would have to say these days.....

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
32. can equality be obtained by acting like the people who denied you equality ?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

thats a retoric guestion .

randr

(12,412 posts)
36. Those who break through barriers
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

have a different perspective of what it took to do so than those who come behind.

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