re: Bill Clinton's attack on Bernie

[LiberalElite]

Based on the NYT comments, it was a BIG mistake.

[Lorien]

1. I think that the basic problem is that she's aimed her campaign at

corporate donors for so long that she simply doesn't know how to appeal to average Americans. She isn't giving us ISSUE BASED reasons to vote for her; she's selling herself on her gender and very non-specific experience (which hasn't benefited average Americans), and using the old "vote for me or a Republican wins!" threat, which no one is falling for again. Obama's campaign was very vague on the issues as well, but he was charismatic and was great at making stirring, platitude filled speeches that could be interpreted any number of ways. Hillary doesn't have Obama's charm or wit, so similar tactics will never work for her, just as they didn't work for Kerry.

[Kelvin Mace]

2. She is waging a scorched earth policy

that will simply alienate the liberal wing of the party.

She doesn't care because, as we have seen here at DU, she is prepared to extort our vote by fear and intimidation. If we don't vote or her the bad guys will win and it will be OUR fault, not hers, not the DNC's, not the "pragmatists" or the Vichy Dems who constantly sell us down the river.

[Lorien]

4. The blame will fall squarely on the DNCs shoulders

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it is THEIR responsibility to back candidates who *represent* left of center voters. It is NOT the responsibility of liberal progressive voters to bend to the will of the DLC and vote for a right wing authoritarian candidate simply because she is all that they are willing to offer. That's not how a democracy works!

[Kelvin Mace]

6. Oh, I agree

but I am constantly being told that unless I vote for HRC in the general, I am helping the GOP.

Franky, I am tired of it. We face an uphill battle to get Bernie the nomination, and the opposition (HRC, the DNC, the corporate media, and Wall Street) is prepared to cheat every way possible.

These people expect to be rewarded for their treachery with our votes. Well, good luck with that.

[GoneFishin]

9. Excellent description. You are correct. They have come to believe that the voters serve them. nt

[TTUBatfan2008]

10. Agreed...

She has a race-baiter like David Brock working for her and playing the race card against Bernie Sanders ("not enough black people in that TV ad, Bernie&quot after Brock played the race card in the opposite direction against Anita Hill 25 years ago. He's a right wing hack and the Clintons should be ashamed of their association with him.

Then you have her supporters saying on here that people are not "real" Democrats for being against the kind of war-mongering, big business bullshit that the Clintons have pushed for a long time. With "real" Democrats like David Brock in her campaign, I want nothing to do with it. End of story.

FDR's economic policy is the soul of the Democratic Party and I believe he is rolling in his grave at the type of power the corporate owned Clintons have within this party. Literally 99% of the elected official in the party have surrendered to CORPORATE OWNERSHIP of the political system. This is pathetic and could lead to a physical revolution at some point. If politicians will not stand up for the people, eventually people will fully reject the system instead of voting for more candidates like Bernie Sanders who want a peaceful change.

[CharlotteVale]

3. On the Wash. Post homepage, there's article about Bill's attack directly under an

article about how Hill is losing female voters to Bernie. Yep, big mistake!

[Divernan]

5. Sounds good - I'll check out both articles.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/
The Washington Post
Feb. 8, 2016

Edition:U.S. & World|Regional

Clinton looks to sisterhood, but votes may go to Sanders
The Democratic candidate is having unexpected trouble drawing women to her cause as a new poll shows Bernie Sanders with a solid lead among female voters in New Hampshire.

By Abby Phillip and Frances Stead Sellers

Bill Clinton unloads on Bernie Sanders — ahead of crucial N.H. primary
The former president attacked Sanders as well as some of his "sexist" and "profane" supporters.

[CharlotteVale]

8. I haven't read the one one Bill - holy crap - "sexist" and "profane" --

is he insane?!

[swilton]

14. That red and black checked shirt

too much!

[dae]

7. Bill's attacks are so hollow and again they think

voters are stupid. He knows PP, & HRC endorsements were cronyism at it's best. He is bald-faced lying to the American people and cannot understand why people have lost faith in Hillary.

[hollowdweller]

11. I can see why the White House is worried.

I'm voting for Sanders. I'm not sure a self described socialist can be elected but we have to make a stand against what has happened since we have pursued hoping the rich guys do the right thing.

However seeing some of the wrong steps of the Clintons, and also their relationship with Wall Street types and the current climate in the country I'm not sure if Clinton is electable. I mean I think she could possibly be felled by a populist campaign from the RIGHT.

[TTUBatfan2008]

12. You make valid points...

I also wonder how vetted she really is. There are allegations of corruption at the Clinton Foundation during her time as Secretary of State. I don't know if the media has really dug into those allegations and I wonder what would happen when the Republican attack machine goes full throttle at that issue.

And we really have no idea what will happen with the FBI investigation. She says it is 100% clean and no problem whatsoever, but then again this is a person who ignored instructions to use the government server in the first place. I am truly shocked that someone as smart as Hillary made such a foolish decision, regardless of the outcome of the investigation. No investigation should be required at all if she had just followed the rules and used the government server.

[roguevalley]

13. liberalElite, your sig picture rules. I love that cartoon. :D

[LiberalElite]

16. Thanks! They're all characters from the

Mutts comic strip. http://www.mutts.com/

[Enthusiast]

15. Kicked and recommended!

[mike dub]

17. over 3,700 comments on that NYT story

Being a regular reader of the Times, that's the most comments I've even seen on a single story. Don't have time to read them all, but I doubt even half of those comments are complimentary toward the yapping (big)Dawg.

On edit: some of comments defending Bernie have Rec's up over 1,000 rec's (per comment). That's crazy-high compared to number of rec's seen on comments on any other article I've ever read in the Times fwiw. anecdotal mileage may vary