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Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:22 PM Feb 2016

About the elephant in the room (no, not that elephant)

White Bernsters, Occupy and Race

First, let me be clear about Bernie’s so called POC problem. I don’t think he has a problem, if anything, it’s that many don’t know who he is or what he’s about, POC or otherwise. Most of the country is disengaged from politics in general. There are many black Bernie supporters, I am one of them, but I wonder if it’s more perception than fact that POC don’t like him. Not to mention that POC are not a monolithic bloc, we vary as much as any other group of people. So much is unclear about this.

What I do know is that due to the media’s history of giving Bernie so little coverage, and when they do it is unfair and unbalanced, it is incumbent on us to get the word out. This is frustrating because many of Bernie’s supporters do, yes, have a POC problem – because America has a POC problem. Failure to communicate and connect with POC is not unique to Bernie supporters, in fact, look at ’08 to see who else had the same dilemma. Furthermore, Bernie hasn’t made a full appeal to POC voters due to the electoral calendar, the primary elections in Nevada and South Carolina are coming along fast though. We will see what his campaign does, I am confident he will do well. But that is the campaign, the problem is with Bernie supporters and their racial disconnection.

By all reason and logic, and at first glance, the POC fight against the system, for fairness, equality and representation has become the aim of the white working class as well. The struggle is multi-faceted and economic interests overlap, there is so much potential for an alliance but it hasn’t happened, it needs to happen now.

When Occupy came on the scene, it was clear to some of us that many of the occupiers wanted to restore the lost privilege they had had come to expect. It looked to me like white occupiers wanted the establishment to work for them again instead of working for everyone. The problem is, that privilege was gained on the backs of black Americans (our parents, grandparents and ancestors). While this is not the direct fault or responsibility of today’s young white folks, when they outright deny their privilege, they only confirm the initial impression that they are not standing shoulder to shoulder for equality or for democracy. Suddenly blacks and whites are supposed to be on the same side because more white people are struggling?

Had more white Occupiers acknowledged why they had that advantage, we may have a comfortable alliance now. For the most part, I haven’t seen anything resembling that and now that Bernie is running for President, the same problems we had then are now going to be issues for Bernie. The fact is he needs more African American votes and since the media is trying to ignore him, Bernie is relying on us supporters to get the word out.

Bernie supporters are nervous because they need POC support for their candidate, which may be a new experience for some, while black people in particular are instinctively guarded in unique and specific ways about politicians already. So when white Bernie supporters, lacking context and understanding of POC perspective, try to sell a politician and do so with utter tone deafness and ignorance. What do you think is going to happen?

Incidentally, the exact same scenario played out when Occupy was on the front page. Politics is complicated, racial politics is a quagmire. It is messy and cannot be approached without nuanced understanding.

When Occupy first bubbled up, I was excited and ready to form alliances, I hoped we were finally going to get somewhere and make some political change. I remember thinking that Americans of all stripes might finally find common ground while embracing differences out of mutual interest and willingness to do the necessary work. I was wrong, the white Occupiers were mostly disconnected from POC perspective.

Here are some examples of the disconnection:
• Colorblindness as an ideal
• Defiance of authority/police without understanding the implications. We could very well be killed, not just unfairly arrested
• Not realizing that the lost privilege of the middle class was gained on the backs of our grandparents and parents
• Complaints about abuse of power and a rigged system and not understanding that communities of color have needed white courage for decades. (I asked myself repeatedly, “Are they now here for themselves or for the principle? For justice for all, or to try to get back to the good old days? To restore the unfair advantage they feel slipping away or to create a better future?”)

These disconnections appear to be present still. To make matters worse, telling black people what their political interests should be is just bad form. Very bad.

As for the African Americans that have decided to go with Bernie’s opposition, this is my take:
(note - It is strictly an observation on my part, I don’t intend to speak for them here. I cannot but for the sake of building bridges…)

Many black people have made some modest gains for equality and representation by navigating a rigged system, a rigged system that was literally designed to ensure their failure. The odds are virtually insurmountable yet some have succeeded beyond wildest expectations, such as Obama. That so many Bernie supporters fail to understand what it takes for a black person to navigate successfully in a world made for whites does not inspire some black people to stand with us.

When unconscious white Bernie supporters come barreling in threatening to disruptively upend the status quo, who wouldn’t want to slam the brakes? Keep in mind that this status quo, toxic as it is, it is still one in which many African Americans have managed to make small gains, incrementally. Many blacks have completed incredible feats of accomplishment to get ahead in a corrupt system hostile to black people, by finesse, smart strategy and diligent care and after generations of blood, sweat and tears by our grandparents and parents, the instinct is to stay the course. But then Bernie comes in threatening the current order, it is unnerving to the risk averse – and justifiably so. So much is at stake.

Then … when Bernie supporters insult the President on a personal level!? A man that literally saved this country from dire straits as it was circling down the drain, dealing with unprecedented obstruction and hostility, judging his work as if he was a white man in the white house. This is a grave mistake if you want their votes, it only demonstrates lack of understanding what black life in America is about. Many African Americans are fiercely protective of the President for obvious reasons.

The President has made some mistakes for sure, I acknowledge that and he did not lead from as far to the left as many would have liked, but when people judge his accomplishments by the same standards you use for a white president – it’s flatly wrong. Unfairly judging Obama does not engender confidence necessary for an alliance. The strategies he had to further develop in order to get anything done at all is unprecedented. He is a brilliant leader in spite of the areas where he could have done better and has been an amazing success in spite of the hostility. He plays the game exceptionally well – and he is not to be blamed for the game itself. He didn’t invent it and he couldn’t have changed it to the degree we wanted anyway. He has to play the cards he is dealt, and he plays them brilliantly. He was the right person for president at the time, now things are different. I believe, no, I know Bernie can get it done if we have his back. We cannot effectively have his back if we are divided and nothing divides Americans more effectively than race.

When white Bernie supporters won’t do the basic work to cross the racial divide, such as seeing that race and class are not interchangeable, or admitting to and using white privilege for the better, or fighting for equality instead of an unfair advantage or ignorantly insist that colorblindness is the answer - we all lose.

With all of this considered, why would (some) African Americans feel the Bern?

The irony is Bernie appears to get it for the most part but many of his supporters don’t. Bernie understands how race figures into the larger picture. Too many white Bernie supporters could hurt Bernie’s chances of gaining more POC votes if they don’t figure this out.

Bernie is still largely unknown and he has the potential to be our greatest ally to date, but since the media does not report on him, or when they do, they do so dishonestly, it’s up to us to tell the world about him. Let’s get race right this time.

The question remains, are white Bernie supporters fighting to restore privilege or are they fighting to restore democracy for all? Does their vision of change include POC, with the social and political complications that come with us? I ask you, white Bernsters, when you make gains, are you taking your prize and going home, or are you staying the course for everyone, POC included?

Keep in mind that a win for white people does not necessarily translate into a win for everyone else.

Because policy proposals and positions that help blacks tend to lose white voters and you can bet your butter the opposition will use race as a cudgel. White Bernie supporters need to break this pattern. Bernie, and America as a whole, needs us to break the pattern. We must do this work.

See my other posts for more about this subject:

In a fit of frustration, I posted a mini rant this morning. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027589250

Also, something to think about, where the above mentioned overlap occurs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280105489

Finally, this long read is an important one. For Bernie 2016, take the time to read it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/index.php

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About the elephant in the room (no, not that elephant) (Original Post) Rebkeh Feb 2016 OP
Its the Media toothless dragon Feb 2016 #1
POC=People of color? WTF is that? ghostsinthemachine Feb 2016 #2
Salmon-American? Xipe Totec Feb 2016 #3
DUzy! MissDeeds Feb 2016 #6
Farm-raised Mufaddal Feb 2016 #12
It's an abbreviation. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #4
Really? Wow I never thought of that! ghostsinthemachine Feb 2016 #5
United we're unstoppable. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #7
Thank you for your thoughts. k&R. Much appreciated. n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #8
Thank you-this is worth several readings catnhatnh Feb 2016 #9
Thanks you for this well-reasoned and impassioned OP! A very good and thoughtful read. n8dogg83 Feb 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author snagglepuss Feb 2016 #11
Nice, thoughtful essay... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #13
Kick - come on people, you NEED to read this Mike__M Feb 2016 #14
An absolutely brilliant post! Many thanks for this! BS supporters need to study it Arazi Feb 2016 #15
I'm staying the course, LWolf Feb 2016 #16
 

toothless dragon

(51 posts)
1. Its the Media
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has had virtually nil National media attention... people as a consequence, don't know him... so he doesn't get their support... so the challenge is to get his name out to them...

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. It's an abbreviation.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:42 PM
Feb 2016

And one I first heard from AA folks. It shorthands having to type black people, hispanics, and native americans all the time, which you might notice is a bit longer.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
9. Thank you-this is worth several readings
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:10 PM
Feb 2016

As an OWG (OldWhiteGuy) I try to always read posts by POC and try never to reply to them. I have no valuable insights and no single comment is worth the risk of antagonizing the POC on the board whom I try to regard with both respect and warmth. We live and we learn and in largest part I need to hear from younger people and those less advantaged than I.

I replied to this only to say that these are the conversations I need to hear and I value it. Perhaps an OWG saying that will encourage communication. When I reach enlightenment, maybe it will be time for me to speak.

Response to Rebkeh (Original post)

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
13. Nice, thoughtful essay...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:33 AM
Feb 2016

...and a good reminder for all of us that our perspective is colored (pardon me) by our experience.

Thank you. I have read it through, and will read it through again tomorrow. A lot to consider and absorb.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
15. An absolutely brilliant post! Many thanks for this! BS supporters need to study it
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

and memorize it. We have a long way to go.

Time to get to work!

Kicked and recced. Thank you for writing this!

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
16. I'm staying the course,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

because I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I don't want a country that supports inequality of any kind.

I'm off to read your links, but I want you to know that I will still be there. For me, if it's not a win for us all, it's not a win.

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