Scarborough: Leaving Iowa, Top Journalists Quietly Told Me 'You Know Bernie Won'

[leftcoastmountains]

[truedelphi]

1. Of course Bernie won.

And listening to very RW NPR radio today, they were in the Hillary Bash mode.

Someone clued them into the fact that people are TOTALLY fed up with Mrs "I just took the money that was offered me" Clinton.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Doesn't matter... Hillary's campaign is taking on water and sinking fast. She underestimated Bernie, but we sure didn't!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[roguevalley]

37. I ageed with them until they got sanctimonious. Let's look at Florida, Steve

[liberal from boston]

46. Iowa

Steve look at 2000--Gore was elected President

[CharlotteVale]

2. WTF kind of "top journalists" would keep this quiet? Are they all

in Hillary's pocket?!

[merrily]

5. Not all in Hillary's pocket, but all their employers are and they like their paychecks.

That's been evident from the jump. They either ignored Bernie or smeared him or wrote pieces like he was just this weird guy who was Mayor of Burlington 30 years ago and did nothing else after that until he started running for (snicker) President. The Tyndall Report was also very telling.

[RKP5637]

79. Sometime ago I read an article on this, very well done, that by far the majority of journalists

take direction very closely from the management echelons of whichever MSM propaganda mouthpiece they work for. Look at how MSNBC, for example, has for the most part canned outspoken individuals. The journalists want to keep their paychecks, so they do as told.

[merrily]

80. Of course. If I owned a newspaper or TV station, you can bet it would be favoring Bernie

right now, or I'd know the reason why. Why am I going to pay the rent and the people so what I own can push for something I do not want? And I would not want someone who was going to, among other things, cost me billions in political ad buys by pushing for public financing of political campaigns.

You really cannot serve two masters simultaneously. You can't be for getting money out of politics and for bigger and bigger profits for NBC. This is why, when politicians tell you that they are helping the job craters creators for your sake, think twice.

[antigop]

6. I posted an article some time ago. It said that journalists do not want to lose access so they

have to be careful.

eta: Here is the link to the post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251707527

[Jarqui]

7. Well ....

These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6


Those guys will probably have a lot to say about who becomes the next president.

They probably want to consolidate internet control because then it will make it even harder to win an election honestly. If a journalist wants their job maybe they don't rock the boat. I don't know that for sure but I worry.

Look at how Bernie was frozen out of the mainstream media. He got like 20 minutes in 2015 while Trump got hundreds of minutes - something crazy like that. I've never seen anything like that in my life.

Look at how the DNC and now the Iowa Dem party were in the tank for Hillary. It's corrupt, outrageous, the media knows it and doesn't do much.

The media, the great arbiter for democracy, is already owned and controlled by the 1%

[cantbeserious]

9. Thank You For Sharing These Truths

eom

[zentrum]

16. Thanks for the post.

Never forget Bill Clinton was the one who allowed media conglomeration and when he was done, 5 giant companies remained. I guess there's 6 now?

Back in the day when there was 50 companies——that's how real capitalism is supposed to work. Not these monopolies.

[tex-wyo-dem]

21. One of the worst hits to democracy ever. Nt

[Beartracks]

32. Yes. The point of capitalism isn't to "win" capitalism. Otherwise...

... what remains isn't capitalism.

====================

[zentrum]

44. It's financial cancer.

[Marty McGraw]

18. and then you can go

Here to see what other industries those same media mogul head share the boards with in other industries.

http://www.theyrule.net/

sickening.

btw. I dread to think that we're all going to hear down the line something along the lines of 'not doing irreparable harm to the character of the candidate' just like the supreme court mentioned when they called it for bush. Wondering if that's how Iowa went down.

[Akamai]

19. Also real big money is gotten running election ads, especially dark

money ads. I think I heard today that a thirty second spot by a candidate run in NH now costs about $500 but a thirty second spot by a PAC group costs something like $8,000. (The numbers might be off a bit, but they are close. Thom Hartmann had that factoid today.)

The rules are that candidates are given a lesser charge because of election laws.)

[Midnight Writer]

34. Good info. Appreciate this post. Still is not evidence that Sanders won more than he did.

The pre-election polls show a statistical tie between Clinton and Sanders. The results show a statistical tie between Clinton and Sanders.

I recognize our country's media has always resisted publicizing Clinton scandals, such as White Water, Travelgate, Troopergate, Vince Foster "murder", Rose Law Firm, Benghazi and countless others. I am sure the corporate media is eager to cover-up this blatant theft of what? 2 delegates out of thousands? Because they want a Democratic President? Um, OK.

If you want a real scandal, look at the super delegate system within the Democratic Party, which last I saw showed Clinton 300, Sanders 13. The super delegates have the potential to overturn the entire primary process of the USA.

[tblue37]

81. I believe the superdelegate system was established to prevent the great unwashed masses from

nominating another McGovern. Of course, TPTB consider Bernie to be another McGovern--but I think they are mistaken about that.

[Zen Democrat]

10. No. Top is a euphemism for corrupt. It's like organized crime, sometimes journalists are asked to

return a favor.

[zentrum]

13. Good Question! WTF.

The thing is HRC and camp know it too, if all this true. No wonder she became unhinged in Monday's debate.

[billhicks76]

28. Hillary Rotten To The Core

And they still support her? If you're main thing is to elect a woman then they should've picked one with integrity. Hillary is a setback in too many ways.

[zentrum]

43. Not only that…...

In terms of being a role model for women—she got her position through being married to a powerful man!

Without Bill, she'd probably just be an obscure corporate lawyer somewhere.

[artislife]

49. I agree completely with this.

Almost every other female politician has done it on her own.

Even Sarah Palin.


Yikes.

So who is a mighty girl afterall?

[billhicks76]

63. Maybe

Honestly I believe they needed each other and that Hillary was a lot of the bad, conservative stuff behind Bill.

[zentrum]

68. You're right.

Not an Eleanor to FDR at all—she pulled him more to the left.

[840high]

48. You are correct. How can

they even consider someone for the top office of the nation who is under investigation by the FBI?

[hopemountain]

61. yes, she learned to play with the men

and lost her way. but then again, she was a republican and goldwater supporter in orange county, california, the home of the john birch society - . she had the worst of the male role models.

[billhicks76]

65. She Was National President Of The College Republicans

I was a Republican my freshman year but it was obvious it takes a special kind of @%%&*#! to run that machine.

[hopemountain]

67. she is smart...

what a waste for good.

[billhicks76]

70. Many Of The Repubs Are Too

Scary how non-intelligent or wise their moral compass is. Something doesnt add up!

[hopemountain]

71. i have a theory about

this disconnect and the power of denial and ritual. denial is a powerful function of the brain and can, over time, shut off emotions and sensations of physical pain, shame, "upbringing" and other powerful triggers for behavior, etc.

[billhicks76]

72. Ive Seen It In My Own Family

Rationalizing anything out that doesn't fit with pre-prescribed views or force one to question something that may make one have to reorganize their entire belief system which is a lot of work.

[hopemountain]

73. yes, exactly!

i've also worked with many people who descend from families with generational histories of sexual abuse and or family violence.

my own family, as well.

fear is the strongest trigger.

[Midnight Writer]

33. Perhaps journalists who are waiting for hard evidence before they print an inflammatory story

You know, unlike sensationalist Right wing Republican activist Joe Scarborough, who knows stirring this pot will divide the Democrats and bring him ratings.

I am not saying Sanders didn't possibly "win". I am saying we need definitive solid evidence before making accusations.

Please remember Rush Limbaugh accusing Hillary Clinton of murdering Vince Foster.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. I assume that was a rhetorical question... Bernie doesn't need "top journalists"... he's got the will of the people behind him...

All he needs is US!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Lorien]

51. I have friends who are fairly prominant journalists

but they WILL NOT stick their necks out and rock the vote. One did expose some ugliness here locally, where a well funded business guild was grooming business friendly handpuppets to run as either Dem or Repug candidates, entirely interchangeably (if one was ready to run, they would run her as a conservative in a conservative district, or a Democrat in a liberal district. It depended on timing and opportunities, not ideology). Other than that, they only report on what they are directed to report on, and how. They do try to remain objective, I'll give them that, but they'll never take a personal or professional risk to report anything that deviates from the official story.

[merrily]

3. He was 50 points behind, with lots of disadvantages.

He won if he won; he won if he tied; he won if he came anywhere close.

But, yeah, it's smelling more and more like he won, and by more than the original results say Hillary won.

[antigop]

4. Something smells all right. nt

[mhatrw]

8. The only thing I don't like about this is that is is actually a LOT EASIER to cheat a TON

when you use voting machines.

At least when it comes to a caucus, you cannot swing 10% of the vote with a single line of code. A caucus at least makes cheating more difficult to accomplish and easier to spot.

[Ed Suspicious]

11. I very much agree. I've been saying all along that if they're going to cheat when there are

actual heads to count in front of God and everyone, you would be a fool to think they won't cheat when the voting happens behind a curtain and is tabulated in a locked box by the powers that be.

[billhicks76]

29. Evidence Of This Before

Irregular voting machines and their electronic tabulators in NY. Check out bradblog.com.

[Autumn Colors]

56. NY should go back to it's good old pull-lever machines (eom)

[billhicks76]

62. Entire Nation Should

Election day should be a holiday with paper ballots.

[hopemountain]

64. in oregon we do not have

voting machines, per se. we have mail in ballots sent in to each county seat where the votes are then counted. our last election had a contentious initiative to prohibit gmo crops. monsanto spent millions to defeat it. the vote was so close there was a recount. there were many reports from local county staffers that there were shenanigans and ultimately monsanto won out but by only a very slim margin.

if corporate interests can accomplish this in a state over an initiative, corporate interests can do the same for a presidential election.

[Peregrine Took]

12. People are afraid of the Clintons. N/t

[840high]

17. yep

[billhicks76]

30. Just Like The Bushes

[tomm2thumbs]

14. telling it like it is, even if it doesn't suit people

and one candidate questions why they are seen as the establishment. REALLY?!!!

[Live and Learn]

15. We know that and so does the majority of the world. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. Not long until they start calling Iowa "Florida".

[CoffeeCat]

59. Yep and Andy McGuire is our Catherine Harris

So proud, so proud!

There's just nothing like the Clinton campaign coming to your state. They steal the caucus, make a mockery of your entire process (despite the fact that it ran as smooth as silk in 2008 during record attendance), subvert the will of the people, cheat, lie, rig, turn your state party apparatus into a bunch of willing cheaters, force your state newspaper to demand a full recount due to the "stench" of cheating.

Oh those Clintons! They don't give a shit what they wreck or ruin. As long as Hillary gets what she wants. Who cares about our state, our caucuses, the integrity of our process, the reputation of our state--or what the people wanted.

All that matters is Hillary. Her unicorn wishes and sparkly dreams that can never come true unless she fucking cheats her way through the entire system. She's the epitome of a narcissist. No feeling for anyone. No thought of the damage she inflicts.

It's just all about her.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. Her supporters claim she'll get a lot of liberal stuff done....

If only liberals would shut up and go away.

[thesquanderer]

22. By Tuesdaynight (NH primary) no one will care.

If Bernie had been declared the winner on Monday, he would have gotten some tremendous press for having pulled off the victory. But the week is gone, he can't get it back.

[MissDeeds]

23. And to think

We have sent representatives to other countries to insure fair elections....

This is becoming a sham democracy. I loathe the Clinton Machine.

[AZ Progressive]

24. The Bushes and the Clintons are more similar than I ever thought

[MissDeeds]

25. Yep

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They are far too chummy for my comfort. How could any decent person associate with them?

[billhicks76]

31. Bushes And Clintons One Family

[840high]

47. Yes they are.

[Lorien]

52. Which is why they vacation together

they understand one another.

[Duckfan]

26. But if this "transcripts" of HC speeches to Goldman gets any traction...

it may be another matter that will bring her poll numbers down. I think the majority of Americans, Dem's or Republican with a brain despise the Wall St. crowd and will vote accordingly.

[dinkytron]

27. Stink like this, this early in the season keeps us on our toes!!!!!

[pa28]

54. Exactly. If they get away with it once they'll try again.

Bernie's campaign was watching Iowa carefully and it sounds like they presented their numbers to the Des Moines Register.

[Depaysement]

38. He made this up

Militarist, class traitor, sexist, rich, upper West Side elitist, Repuke.

I doubt anyone I'd call a journalist would tell him that.

That said, he's probably right.

[bkkyosemite]

39. So that's why Podesta had to calm those Congressman after the closeness of

the votes in IA...They knew he really won!

[antigop]

41. ??? Please explain. I missed this. nt

[Fawke Em]

82. I think this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-congress-democrats-218618

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Of course he won or McGuire wouldn't be covering up the raw data. Now, Iowa will never be respected

and trusted as the First in the Nation caucus. Someone needs to make this right. A lawsuit needs to be filed. Perhaps the Des Moines Register could take that on?


Iowa may not be "that important" overall, but it IS the First in the Nation caucus and has always been elevated to "important" because of that status. The corruption cannot be allowed to stand. It's. WRONG. It's just one more thing that is wrong with this country.

This shit needs to be stopped NOW. If we don't go after McGuire, that opens the door to 49 states of election thievery. Give the Clinton's/David Brock an inch, they WILL take a mile!

Believe it or not, lying, cheating and stealing is wrong! Just because it's the Democratic Party doing it, that doesn't make it right - that makes it even worse! Isn't there someone with a lot of money who can file a lawsuit against McGuire and the Iowa Dem leadership?

Is their anyone left who cares about ETHICS, VALUES and FAIRNESS?

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[CoffeeCat]

60. Everyone in Iowa knows it was stolen. It's a joke.

And there's so much that was done to intentionally set up the entire system to fail that evening.

100+ precincts were without a Precinct Chair. So much stealing, lying, cheating, dirty tricks were played. The entire night was an abomination in many precincts. In many precincts, things were fine. However, in many--things weren't so great.

The Iowa Democratic Party is responsible for staffing those Precinct Chairs. Not the Bernie campaign. Not the Hillary campaign. Hillary and Bernie are responsible for having precinct captains who represent their side at the caucuses.

There was cheating in my caucus, but they were so sly about it, the cheating wasn't even noticed until after the caucus. My husband was helping with the math. At the end of the night he told me that the initial count matched up with the final count. I said, "That couldn't be possible because a ton of people left. Honey, tell me that didn't happen." My husband sat down, looked up at me and, "That's what they were doing. Oh my God."

He told me that after the final counts, the Hillary camp waited at the table for Bernie to bring their count to the table. The Bernie count was written on the sheet. Then, the Hillary camp did some figuring--and put down their count. They made the numbers match. How did they do that? By giving Hillary the remaining number. She gained the number of people who left. CHEATING.

And what's more lovely is our precinct delegate count was Hillary 6; Bernie 3. If they wouldn't have cheated (because the count was so close), it would have been Hillary 5; Bernie 4. Lovely huh?

Crap like this is widespread all over the state. Never happened before.

And remember, Hillary don'ts like caucuses. They're harder to steal and as she said, "They're creatures of the extreme." They rather have voting machines that are much, much easier to steal. It's hard work rigging an entire caucus, by God!

Welcome to hell, people. If it can happen in my state to a caucus, it will happen everywhere. These people are monsters.

[in_cog_ni_to]

74. Aaaaand, who's going to make this right? Is anyone, with some ETHICS and Pride in "The First in the

Nation" caucus, going to stand up and investigate the corruption? Who normally investigates ELECTION FRAUD? Would The Des Moines Register sue? The State's Attorney? Who is going to investigate this and make it right? It can't be allowed to stand.

At least we all know Bernie won and HRH LOST and she runs a sleazy, lying, cheating and corrupt campaign. Heads up in the next 49 States!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[CoffeeCat]

75. The good news is that it is being investigated

The Iowa Democratic Party and the Sanders campaign are working together. Behind the scenes, Sanders has verifiable proof that the counts recorded by the IDP are not accurate when compared to what actually happened in those caucuses.

For example--The situation that happened in Grinnell, Iowa. Bernie earned 5 delegates; Clinton 4. The Iowa Democratic Party flipped the numbers and reported Sanders 4, Clinton 5.

There are at least four examples of this happening. Errors that favored Clinton and hurt Bernie.

Currently, these errors are being investigated and the counts are being corrected.

The Des Moines Register (which endorsed Hillary Clinton twice), is pressing very hard. The heat is on the IDP to review the results and correct the errors. Please remember that Andy "license plate" McGuire initially said that there would be no review and not corrections. Now those things are happening.

I think we will learn that Sanders won the Iowa caucuses. The facts are all ready toppling Clinton's razor-thin .2 percent win.

Bernie was purposely denied the Iowa win to deny him the momentum going forward into the next races. Clinton and the IDP did this. If you only knew about the widespread cheating that happened. We're lucky it wasn't a 10 percent blowout. Unfortunately cheating happening in my precinct. They were so sly about it that we didn't even realize it until after the caucus was complete and everyone had gone home. There was a concerted, very organized effort to cheat in a multitude of ways. The Clinton campaign is a cancer. I don't think they're going to get away with it.

I think this wrong will be righted. However, the win was denied to Bernie in Iowa--and the gains he was denied from that win can never be righted. However, if it is shown (and there is a drip, drip, drip of cheating being revealed) that he did won and she lost--the damage to her campaign going forward will be untold.

The question is...when is this resolved?

If you recall the Republican 2012 caucus, the same tactic happened. Santorum actually won, but Romney was declared the winner. It took a month to confirm that Santorum won. By that time, he had lost other state votes and was out of the race--with Romney prevailing. The Iowa Republican Party establishment denied Santorum the Iowa win and momentum that could have helped him in NH and beyond. It appears, that is exactly what is happening here. There is far more pressure on the IDP to right thing. The Des Moines Register's editorial is a major factor. This wasn't just an op-ed, it was the entire editorial board coming forward and demanding that this be righted.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. The correction needs to be released BEFORE Nevada. Even if it's just the drip, drip, drip of

"corrections" going into Nevada. The public at large needs to know Bernie won and the Clinton campaign CHEATED, LIED AND STOLE BERNIE VOTES.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[CoffeeCat]

78. It should be resolved as soon as possible

With the pressure on the IDP from the Des Moines Register, Iowans, other media--and the entire country--they know that all eyes are on them.

I think the pressure to move this forward favors a timely result. I am hoping that within the week, this is resolved.

Then again, we're dealing with the Iowa Democratic Party--an entity that attempted to steal the Iowa caucus away from Bernie and then prevent any review of the data.

JUST DISGUSTING!!!!

In MY STATE!!!

In my precinct!!!

[leftcoastmountains]

42. Errors found in Iowa Democratic caucus results

Iowa Democratic Party officials have found errors in the its caucus results amid a review, according to The Des Moines Register.

State party officials confirmed to the Register on Friday that the final tally is being altered as discrepancies have been found.

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton was declared the winner after Monday night’s caucuses, defeating rival Bernie Sanders by just 0.2 percentage points.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/268445-errors-found-in-iowa-democratic-caucus-results

[Enthusiast]

45. My guess is Bernie won by a fair margin. But not safe enough not to be altered by subterfuge.

[Lorien]

53. I will keep saying it: WE NEED EXIT POLLING!!

Exit polling was how we used to catch "voter irregularities". But since 2000 the establishment has discovered that it's a barrier to election theft, so they've ditched them. We the people need to do exit polling if we want any hope of taking our democracy back!

[Autumn Colors]

57. Yes, alternative internet media ... PLEASE DO THIS!

Get on this NOW!

[Enthusiast]

58. Oh, I agree completely. We know if the vote "count" differs from the exit polls by more than 1%

someone is cheating. It's better to know they are cheating than not.

[Betty Karlson]

50. So that's why we can't have transparency!

Hillary is turning Iowa into Florida redux.

My my: someone palls around with Republicans too much (the Bushes, Trump, Kissinger...).

[Yeager29]

55. Party and power before honor and integrity

And that is the difference between Bernie and Clinton. He has it, she doesn't. And people who support her and turn a blind eye to the establishment sell out are the worst kind. Bernie will own her in the end.

[ViseGrip]

69. This needs to be investigated and reported on in the papers. It's not.

[EdwardBernays]

76. "Shady as hell"

describes it, and Hillary, perfectly...