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Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:22 AM Feb 2016

Des Moines Register calls for audit of caucus results

Something smells in the Democratic Party

Once again the world is laughing at Iowa. Late-night comedians and social media mavens are having a field day with jokes about missing caucusgoers and coin flips.

That’s fine. We can take ribbing over our quirky process. But what we can’t stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error.

What happened Monday night at the Democratic caucuses was a debacle, period. Democracy, particularly at the local party level, can be slow, messy and obscure. But the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal reeks of autocracy.

The Iowa Democratic Party must act quickly to assure the accuracy of the caucus results, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

First of all, the results were too close not to do a complete audit of results. Two-tenths of 1 percent separated Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. A caucus should not be confused with an election, but it’s worth noting that much larger margins trigger automatic recounts in other states.

Second, too many questions have been raised. Too many accounts have arisen of inconsistent counts, untrained and overwhelmed volunteers, confused voters, cramped precinct locations, a lack of voter registration forms and other problems. Too many of us, including members of the Register editorial board who were observing caucuses, saw opportunities for error amid Monday night’s chaos.

Continued: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/caucus/2016/02/03/editorial-something-smells-democratic-party/79777580/
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1. I'm impressed!
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

I really didn't think the DMR would push this. Not sure what their agenda might be, but I'm all for tying up loose ends.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. I don't think the overall difference, if there is one, will matter much,
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:45 AM
Feb 2016

but I'm glad they want to make sure there's not even the 'appearance of impropriety' about their process.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
4. I'm glad, for DU'er CoffeeCat here and others who worked so hard and believed things
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

were set up as they should be only to find out too late they were not. I don't think it's only the results that should be audited - but the whole night and process scrutinized as well. jmho.

 

postin4Bern

(64 posts)
5. It is 2015 and not 1815.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

Time to do away with the caucus and, as far as I'm concerned, the electoral college.
While I'm dreaming: It would also be nice to do away with computer-assisted voting.
Let's get back to the simple paper version of "one person--one vote".

****Look up how Oregon votes as a shining example.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
6. K&R - Good on the DMR. Glad they are wanting things cleared up.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

unfortunately however, it's my understanding that the Dem Caucus's don't record
individual votes on slips of paper (as to the Republicans), so I'm not sure how there
could be any kind of meaningful 'recount'.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
7. I don't think they are talking about a recount.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016

Rather, they would like to see the voting tabulations for each precinct which so far the state party has refused to release.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. Yes, that sounds about right, except for the part about the Dem. Party refusing to release
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

their tabulations. That kinda sucks, and makes one wonder ..

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
9. And I think that is one of the main issues.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

Why would the party refuse (besides the party chair is in the tank for HRC)?
The Sanders Campaign did their own counts and would like to see how the two match up.
It looks like the DMR would too.

On edit: it appears that I was incorrect. The Party has released the numbers, although I saw at least one report that said they had refused....I guess we will see what shakes out if anything.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
11. EIther that release is very recent, or the party has released the tabulation results, but
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:55 PM
Feb 2016

not the raw vote. Without the raw numbers, there's no way of knowing if the tabulations are correct.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
10. It wouldn't be a recount so much as a canvass/recalculation.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

My understanding is that in many, if not all, of the precincts, the raw vote was recorded on paper, and then calculations were done. If the raw vote on a precinct level is released, the calculations can be checked to see if the math was done correctly and the right numbers were put into the app. I'd be amazed and impressed if there were no typos or arithmetic mistakes.

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