Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

leftcoastmountains

(2,968 posts)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:02 PM Feb 2016

Just watched Bernie and he was just so charming.

But again I'm really biased. I think he did such a good job. It wasn't a
gotcha session from Anderson. He let Bernie run with his answers. I'm here with
my pint of Newcastle. Now the question is do I want to listen to Hillary? I watched
Bernie but have TYT on which is audio only. I think I might be able to listen to her.
Hm not sure. But gotta say I loved Bernie tonight.

45 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Just watched Bernie and he was just so charming. (Original Post) leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 OP
Ditto... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #1
now Hillary is on and she's attacking Bernie right off notadmblnd Feb 2016 #2
She feels like she's been put on the wrong side by the younger leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #3
For such a strong woman, she plays the victim pretty well. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #4
She weathervanes from "I am woman, hear me roar" to " I'm a woman, feel sorry for me" 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #7
^ This. AzDar Feb 2016 #16
Bingo! kath Feb 2016 #41
Yeah, and isn't that playing the gender card? MissDeeds Feb 2016 #27
She wants to keep ACA. Keep the insurance companies leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #6
So Hillary Says She Won't Raise Taxes But You'll Still Have.... global1 Feb 2016 #19
My heart bleeds for her RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #14
And she invoked Paul Wellstone in her attack on Bernie. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #21
Oh, god, that's infuriating! Invoking Wellstone?! kath Feb 2016 #42
Bernie's wonderful and very effective. And so real and natural. Great job! appalachiablue Feb 2016 #5
In all fairness, I think she finally got the memo today to tone it down notadmblnd Feb 2016 #12
You mean you don't like the "look at me, ain't I great" political stump speech? Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #39
He was great! MuseRider Feb 2016 #8
I would make a more concerted effort to listen to her outside of debates Mufaddal Feb 2016 #10
I have MuseRider Feb 2016 #24
Do you mean in the GE? I hope so! leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #15
Oh yes MuseRider Feb 2016 #22
Yeah but how is Hill doing? Mufaddal Feb 2016 #9
Too much clapping for her. Hillary is being Hillary. leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #20
Same here MissDeeds Feb 2016 #38
You know, I was born and raised in Brooklyn. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #11
Whatever it takes. Does all of Brooklyn pretty much leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #17
It was like he was in our living room Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #13
That was my take also. pangaia Feb 2016 #31
That's it. I'm done....... Capt.Rocky300 Feb 2016 #18
Well, was thinking of listening. But now I know she said that...no. californiabernin Feb 2016 #23
Yeah now she is railing against the billionaires and the Koch leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #25
I think the audience is stacked with Hillary people. leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #26
Corporate American prefers Republicans, but hedges their bets by buying influence with both parties. californiabernin Feb 2016 #33
I could not bear to watch ot listen to her. pangaia Feb 2016 #32
Here are her exact words...... Capt.Rocky300 Feb 2016 #36
Oh, dear, I just realized what a deep wound the murder of Paul Wellstone was... Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #44
Oh, no... she's not bothered.... not at all... LiberalElite Feb 2016 #45
That Rabbi seemed like a plant bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #28
Nah DirtyHippyBastard Feb 2016 #30
Besides the Iraq War question... HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #29
Bernie did wonderfully! I am watching Hillary and think she is doing fine, but Bernie hit it out of Akamai Feb 2016 #34
Same here. Myrina Feb 2016 #35
He has a sense of humor too. zentrum Feb 2016 #37
They both did very good but I have to say Sanders seemed more at ease, and honest mikehiggins Feb 2016 #40
Everybody loves Bernie. Even Repubs say they can't help liking and respecting him even sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #43

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
2. now Hillary is on and she's attacking Bernie right off
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

I think it makes her look small and petty especially since he had nothing bad to say about her.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
7. She weathervanes from "I am woman, hear me roar" to " I'm a woman, feel sorry for me"
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

Just as quickly as she changes her position on any thing.

leftcoastmountains

(2,968 posts)
6. She wants to keep ACA. Keep the insurance companies
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

in the chips. Sorry but I invest in the market and insurance
companies are doing quite well. In fact the ACA has been a boon
to the insurance industry.

global1

(25,251 posts)
19. So Hillary Says She Won't Raise Taxes But You'll Still Have....
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

to pay those excessive and ever rising premiums to the insurance companies.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
21. And she invoked Paul Wellstone in her attack on Bernie.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

Totally pissed me off that she has the effing Nerve to compare herself to Wellstone, a great, great progressive. She's no progressive and she can't be allowed to co-opt Progressivism and let people think SHE is what progressivism represents!

She makes my blood boil.

Bernie was so wonderful!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
5. Bernie's wonderful and very effective. And so real and natural. Great job!
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton just started, it's alright, seated discussing questions of Andy.

Glad you're enjoying your Newcastle.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
12. In all fairness, I think she finally got the memo today to tone it down
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

She certainly is trying to be softer in her cadence tonight. Every now and then she's still slipping, but she's trying.

Now if she'd just work on the over use of her "I's" and "me-s."

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
39. You mean you don't like the "look at me, ain't I great" political stump speech?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

You'd rather listen to a fake Democrat who attacked the Democratic Party than someone who has sold out our beliefs for campaign funds?

What kind of Democrat are you? Party before principles!

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
8. He was great!
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016

There are 3 of us here and all of us thought he was great.

Watching Hillary is hard for me. I think it is important to listen but I have done that. Now I just think that I might have to vote for her and the less I listen the easier it will be for me. I hear her during debates (thank goodness there will be more) and I read here about her both from those for and those against.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
10. I would make a more concerted effort to listen to her outside of debates
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

but I'm afraid the sheer volume of her smugness will blow out my speakers.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
24. I have
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

and I am well versed in her history as well. This is why it is hard for me to listen to her. It isn't her voice, although that is a little irritating but her ideas and the way she presents them. It irritates me.

I have never been overly fond of her or Bill, although he is so damned charismatic it is hard until I remind myself what he did. I really hoped we were done with them. They have done enough and it is NOT her turn.

leftcoastmountains

(2,968 posts)
15. Do you mean in the GE? I hope so!
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

She really has a machine going and it bothers me greatly! I'm still raw
over Iowa.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
22. Oh yes
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

she will not get my vote when I caucus. Never, ever...oh that is her thought about Universal Health Care, lol.

Bernie all the way, at this point my trust that he will not be coming out with something awful is 100%.

If it were not for the scary place we as women are in I might do a write in (I am in Kansas, I have never had a vote count). I have to trust she will not let women get pushed further away from equality.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
38. Same here
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

I left the room after Bernie's segment. My husband watched Hillary and filled me in. There was much shouting and a few expletives from the TV room in my absence.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
11. You know, I was born and raised in Brooklyn.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

In the same neighborhood that Bernie lived in. Listening to him is so comforting to my ears. It's like listening to a member of my family and friends.

One of the reasons, not a main one, why I wholeheartedly support Bernie is because he's originally from Brooklyn. Brooklyn would be the 4th largest city in the US, and we have never had a president from Brooklyn. It's about time we had a president from Brooklyn.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
18. That's it. I'm done.......
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

My blood pressure just can't take listening to her nastiness "Sen. Sanders appointed himself gatekeeper of what a progressive is" or her practiced I'm just like everybody else phoniness.

Now watching a re-run of TBBT.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
23. Well, was thinking of listening. But now I know she said that...no.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

Not worth listening.

She should have just said I respect Bernie and his accomplishments and passion, etc. and then gone on to explain why she feels she is progressive and why she disagrees. That kind of talk is just going to turn more people off. Not smart.

leftcoastmountains

(2,968 posts)
25. Yeah now she is railing against the billionaires and the Koch
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

brothers. Do you believe that? I don't. She can't take money
from them and really believe what she is saying! I think she really
means Her billionaires are OK but not the Repubs billionaires.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
33. Corporate American prefers Republicans, but hedges their bets by buying influence with both parties.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

So, that is a pretty weak argument she is making.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. I could not bear to watch ot listen to her.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

""Sen. Sanders appointed himself gatekeeper of what a progressive is"

Did she really say that?

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
36. Here are her exact words......
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

as they were recorded on tivo.

"I was somewhat amused today that Sen. Sanders has set himself up to be the gatekeeper on who is a progressive because under the definition flying around on twitter and statements by the campaign, Barrack Obama would not be a progressive, Joe Biden would not be a progressive, Jean Shaheen would not be a progressive, even the late great Sen. Paul Wellstone would not be a progressive. So, I'm not going to let that bother me."

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
44. Oh, dear, I just realized what a deep wound the murder of Paul Wellstone was...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:30 AM
Feb 2016

...for me, especially after losing so many of my political heroes in the same way when I was young--JFK, RFK, MLK. It hurts bad.

And to have an Iraq War yes-voter use his name in this way rubs salt in the wound, to say the least. He intended to, and would have, stopped the Iraq War in the Senate, if he had lived. That was clear to me at the time. And it is still clear. And Hillary Clinton was one of the saboteurs of that beautiful anti-war movement that arose briefly, with leaders like Wellstone and Sanders in Congress, with millions of Americans behind them (56% opposed to the war--many people didn't notice those early polls; I did and it gave me a wonderful sense of relief that most Americans were not goose-stepping to Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld) and millions marching against that horrible war. And she voted FOR WAR.

How dare she use Wellstone's name in this way--to bash Bernie Sanders, who is very close to Wellstone in spirit and in policy! It's as if she isn't just content to try to impose amnesia on us all; it's as if she wants to rub our noses in it--in the hundreds of thousands of people blown apart, in the millions displaced, in dead and wounded U.S. soldiers, in the shattering of a country and a region (as Bernie predicted, and as it turned out). How dare she use Wellstone's name, when he gave his life trying to stop that horror and she voted FOR it!

It still hurts bad.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
29. Besides the Iraq War question...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary has gotten softballs. She just spoke for about 15 minutes without addressing any issues.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
34. Bernie did wonderfully! I am watching Hillary and think she is doing fine, but Bernie hit it out of
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

the park. A very, very, very good night for Bernie!

Go Bernie!!!!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
35. Same here.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

He was completely charming, approachable, and really seemed to enjoy the format. And he was in command of the issues and respectful not only to AC, but also to the audience and to "others" that were referenced.

I decided not to watch the 2nd half - it would just piss off. So I'm watching The Matrix instead ... the closing lines are just perfect: " ... I know you’re out there. I can feel you now. I know that you’re afraid. You’re afraid of us. You’re afraid of change. I don’t know the future. I didn’t come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it’s going to begin. I’m going to hang up this phone, and then I’m going to show these people what you don’t want them to see. I’m going to show them a world … without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you."

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
40. They both did very good but I have to say Sanders seemed more at ease, and honest
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

I'm not looking to blast HRC but, to me, her efforts at sincerity just reminded me of why people doubt her.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. Everybody loves Bernie. Even Repubs say they can't help liking and respecting him even
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

when they disagree with him. He is humble and clearly thinks of eveyone else, not just himself.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Bernie Sanders»Just watched Bernie and h...